Tonic Trouble

[Kelvin12]

Fair enough, but the fact is a character from Tonic Trouble is also in Rayman 2. What the implications of this are, I'm not sure. It could be that TT is on the same planet as Rayman, or it could be that it's in an alternate universe, and the Grolgoth Salesman came from the TT universe and somehow entered the Rayman universe. Or maybe that TT character and R2 character are completely different and unconnected, despite looking nearly identical. Who knows?

To support your theory.

WHAT THE SHIT?!

Here's this this possible little simile thing: The Grolgoth Salesman and the TT general are not particularly the same character but two characters from other universes like how Mushroom Kingdom enemies can be seen in The Legend of Zelda games but are not the same thing nor in the same universe (not counting the Smash Bros. series).

[stan423321]

TT's on earth? Then why the hell are there limbless creatures in it?

Story of TT was based on Ed throwing can of toxic tonic onto the Earth, which made sheep flying etc., right?

[Joshua822]

Yes, and it made some other things crazy, like the bunny's and the carets

My thought would be that the grolgoth salesman is the Tonic Trouble general.

[spiraldoor]

Just because they use the word "earth" doesn't mean it's the world we live on

[L.M. Murphy]

It looks like Earth on both the N64 and GBC.

[Kelvin12]

Earth Definition:


Main Entry:
1earth Listen to the pronunciation of 1earth
Pronunciation:
\ˈərth\
Function:
noun
Etymology:
Middle English erthe, from Old English eorthe; akin to Old High German erda earth, Greek era
Date:
before 12th century

1: the fragmental material composing part of the surface of the globe ; especially : cultivable soil2: the sphere of mortal life as distinguished from spheres of spirit life — compare heaven , hell3 a: areas of land as distinguished from sea and air b: the solid footing formed of soil : ground4often capitalized : the planet on which we live that is third in order from the sun — see planet table5 a: the people of the planet Earth b: the mortal human body c: the pursuits, interests, and pleasures of earthly life as distinguished from spiritual concerns6: the lair of a burrowing animal7: an excessive amount of money —used with the<real suede, which costs the earth to clean — Joanne Winship>

[Spanex]

Ok, the planet we are talking about is not the planet Rayman lives on, and it's Earth. The story goes like this: a bird-like ship (on which Ed is) flies past earth, in the meantime, Ed attempts to win the heart of probably someone he loves, but ends up getting chased down by some guy named Burk, who is supposedly her husband. (Ed, you dirty stalker!) Ed escapes Burk, and starts to cry and blah blah, then he finds the Tonic, drinks some from it and finds it to be gross. When he spits it out on the floor, he sees the screws in the floor becomming alive from the stuff, and he throws it away. That way the tonic ends up landing on Earth, and the guy who finds it, who seems ot be a drunkard, drinks from it. He turns into the villain, and a drop of the tonic spills into a river, making everything on earth turn limbless, everything becomes colourful, vegetables become alive, ect. And so Ed is forced to set it straight again.

That's how the video goes that you can find in the Rayman 2 files on PC.

[stan423321]

Ok, the planet we are talking about is not the planet Rayman lives on, and it's Earth. The story goes like this: a bird-like ship (on which Ed is) flies past earth, in the meantime, Ed attempts to win the heart of probably someone he loves, but ends up getting chased down by some guy named Burk, who is supposedly her husband. (Ed, you dirty stalker!) Ed escapes Burk, and starts to cry and blah blah, then he finds the Tonic, drinks some from it and finds it to be gross. When he spits it out on the floor, he sees the screws in the floor becomming alive from the stuff, and he throws it away. That way the tonic ends up landing on Earth, and the guy who finds it, who seems ot be a drunkard, drinks from it. He turns into the villain, and a drop of the tonic spills into a river, making everything on earth turn limbless, everything becomes colourful, vegetables become alive, ect. And so Ed is forced to set it straight again.

That's how the video goes that you can find in the Rayman 2 files on PC.

N64:
Ed is gonna kill the fly-like creature, but instead, he hits can of tonic, and after some funny scenes can lands on Earth. Then, everything becomes weird, and THEN the human drinks the tonic.

[Lijik]

Tonic Trouble started as a tech demo for trying out the engine for the new Rayman game

Really, that's interesting...

The engine that was used (and to much better use) in Rayman 2 was created for Tonic Trouble, which originally started off as "Ed". I think a new character was made so in case the engine didn't work well ala Bubsy 3d, Rayman's rep wasn't tarnished. Early impressions of Ed were extremely weak, probably because it was an inprogress engine demo. When work on R2 started, the Ed team kept working on Tonic Trouble to improve the overall engine while level design and such was handled by the newly formed Ubisoft Montreal (TT is their first game). In an IGN interview a team member mentions that if the game was popular (TT, not R2) they would release a version of the game on DVD that would make use of extremely high quality graphics. Ubisoft Montreal later reused the engine for Goin Quackers, and used the better graphics engine intended for a TT rerelease on the GCN and PS2 versions of that game (I think).


Do note this is all coming from memory and I'm kind of tired so this may not be entirely correct.


Also, the Earth in Tonic Trouble is NOT our Earth. The TT Earth resembles a Rubik's Sphere type object.

[stan423321]

Oh, but what can you say about this there is India there?

[Lijik]

Does our Earth have huge longitude and latitude lines literally running across it? Thats the deal breaker right there, and makes the fact it has the same masses of land irrelevant.

[stan423321]

These lines could be (theory!) buildings made by people for some strange reason (tell yourself why).

[Lijik]

Thatd actually be really cool.

[spiraldoor]

Well, including Tonic Trouble would be like including Beyond Good and Evil and Peter Jackson's King Kong: The Video Game (which both of had more Michel Ancel's involvement than Tonic Trouble himself in which Michel Ancel only worked on but did not design).

It's connection to the Rayman games is like in Beyond Good & Evil, there is a Rayman Mosquito and I think Rayman fists, Ed had a Rayman cameo at the end (mainly only because the game was influenced upon Rayman and Michel Ancel's involvement), one same character that is in both games (who was actually the original villain for Rayman 2), and Ed's cameo in the Rayman Cartoon series.

My point is, if one should be mentioned, it's not fair that the other shouldn't.

TT is obviously far more Rayman-related than BG&E and King Kong.

[stan423321]

I saw "Rayman-like-thingy" in TT credits on Google Videoes.

[spiraldoor]

I'm fairly sure that was Rayman.

[Cairnie]

As I just said in the Pluses and Minuses thread, I got a copy of Tonic Trouble for the N64 today. Somehow it doesn't like the memory card I've got at the moment but I'll find a workaround somehow.

Now, I know it was to test Rayman 2's engine, but damn there aren't half a lot of similarities to it, even Suzy somehow resembles Ly to me.

[stan423321]

Nevermind, but faces are similar... Good find.

[Cairnie]

I got it to work [as in, make my save file] late last night, and hopefully I can continue. God, the level after the sliding one looks so similar to the first part of the Fairy Glade it kinda hurts. I think a quick pop at GameFAQs is in order...

[stan423321]

You mean hub? Cause probably not Vegetables Hedquarters?