Obama is President

[Shawn]

Xenon: Well, you're saying they're bad enough that they don't deserve to live in civilization, but then you say they don't deserve a slow death in prison being the bad people they are, rather than a quick and painless death? You're contradicting your own words. Sorda

And how are prisons not enough? They are more than enough, actually. Most men in prison end up peeing out their ass after a couple of days in one.

[Phoenixan]

Obama is freeing money for the hird world, and is considering open source software

The open source thing is actually the most interesting thing I've heard. He sounds pretty aware of how things need to work from a technological standpoint. It could make their websites and servers more secure as well.

[Xenon]

Xenon: Well, you're saying they're bad enough that they don't deserve to live in civilization, but then you say they don't deserve a slow death in prison being the bad people they are, rather than a quick and painless death? You're contradicting your own words. Sorda

Yeah, I don't believe in torturing anyone, but I do believe that the death penalty should be resurrected. You seem to be making some connection... just because I believe someone should die for killing another (as an example) doesn't mean I wish for them to be tortured at all.

Where have I contradicted myself? How am I "contradicting my own words"? That makes absolutely no sense to me.

And how are prisons not enough? They are more than enough, actually. Most men in prison end up peeing out their ass after a couple of days in there.

I don't see the point you were making. Again, I never said people should be tortured emotionally or physically, I just said they should be painlessly killed. Did you read my posts?

[foultzboyz]

Open source is good. I'm not paying hundreds of dollars for a word processor when I can get one with slightly less features for free. (Microsoft Office vs. OpenOffice) I wouldn't have expected him to catch on to something like that though.

[Shawn]

Again, I never said people should be tortured emotionally or physically, I just said they should be painlessly killed.

But you did say prisons aren't enough enough of a punishment:

Prison sentences just aren't enough.

I'll admit that it IS immoral to kill someone, but unless measures aren't taken we're going to be bombarded with heartless criminals living on our streets, with the potential to carry out such crimes again and again.

First off, what if an innocent some one was falsely accused, and instead of going to jail, (where he has the chance to be free again, since the real criminal is still out there) he get's a lethal injection, and dies. Even though he was innocent.

Second, heartless? While I do agree that some criminals are, I don't believe that all criminals are. People can change you know.

Third, sometimes people are sent to jail for murdering some one on accident. (It happens. Mostly with Police.)

Besides, painless or not, it's still death. I say save the executions for the people who have killed countless amounts of people (or a small amount, but each brutally done), not the guys who have killed only one or a couple of people, or robbed houses, or whateverthehell.

[spiraldoor]

Stop this "everyone has a right to life" bullshit. The econony is fucked, and it would be retarded to keep spending taxpayers' money on prisons when it could be spent on hospitals.
Kill them all.

[Xenon]

Precicely.

But you did say prisons aren't enough enough of a punishment

And? I still think prisons aren't enough (or enough enough, heh), so I still hold this opinion.

First off, what if an innocent some one was falsely accused, and instead of going to jail, (where he has the chance to be free again, since the real criminal is still out there) he get's a lethal injection, and dies. Even though he was innocent.

It's a good point I suppose, and this is something that would have to be taken into consideration. But I still think it's outweighed.

Second, heartless? While I do agree that some criminals are, I don't believe that all criminals are. People can change you know.

Anyone who receives a justified lifetime imprisonment is, in my opinion, heartless. I'm not the kind to easily forgive criminals.

Third, sometimes people are sent to jail for murdering some one on accident. (It happens. Mostly with Police.)

For murdering someone by accident? How can a murder be accidental? It can't.

not the guys who have killed only one or a couple of people, or robbed houses, or whateverthehell.

Please. Don't. Post. Unless. You. Have. Read. My. Argument.
I said to Tobbe that a death sentence must be dependent on the gravity of the crime. Read.

[foultzboyz]

I'd rather take a needle of nasty fluid to the arm than waste away in a prison for what probably feels like an eternity to them. Prisons aren't pleasant places. It's luck whether you even get to go to one that has semi-qualified medical care and is even somewhat clean. Many of them have small wars going on between groups of prisoners that often leads to homemade knives being used to slash faces open, often times even those guilty for their wrongdoing or with little associations to these hostile groups. I don't know why I'd take that over a little needle.

It's like how Socrates died. He was accused of wrongdoing (falsely though) and realized that he just had to take the poison and be done. He drank it down right as he got it as to not delay his death. His philosophy was "Why suffer for longer when you can end it right now?" So really, if I did it, I'd much rather take up my own death than pointlessly delay it.

Besides, if I'm going to kill somebody simply innocent out of hate, why shouldn't I prepare for the same thing? I'd still get life though that person can never come back and that scar on his/her family members' hearts will stay with them for the rest of their lives...That's what I think, though I'm not in an arguing mood.

[Tobbe]

Look at this

And this

There isn't much money to be made by reinstating the death penalty.

"Everyone has the right to life" is the third article in the Declaration of Human Rights. Do you think that's bullshit?
And for the European countries, reinstating the death penalty would only cripple the economy further, as they would be kicked out of the EU the minute they did.

Foultzboyz, even though you'd prefer to die, that doesn't mean everybody's like you. What gives you the right to make the decision between life and death for them?

[spiraldoor]

There isn't much money to be made by reinstating the death penalty.

Depends how many criminals you execute.

"Everyone has the right to life" is the third article in the Declaration of Human Rights. Do you think that's bullshit?

That same Declaration also says that everyone has the right to freedom. So no executions or prisons? Yeah, that's a great idea

And for the European countries, reinstating the death penalty would only cripple the economy further, as they would be kicked out of the EU the minute they did.

The EU needs to change its policies, then.

Foultzboyz, even though you'd prefer to die, that doesn't mean everybody's like you. What gives you the right to make the decision between life and death for them?

They make that decision themselves when they murder an innocent person.

[Shawn]

That same Declaration also says that everyone has the right to freedom. So no executions or prisons? Yeah, that's a great idea

I think you're taking it the wrong way.

[spiraldoor]

Tobbe says that murderers shouldn't be executed because the Declaration says that everyone has the right to life.

But he says that they should be imprisoned, even though the Declaration says they have a right to freedom.

He's contradicting himself, which is a Fail.

[Phoenixan]

Foultzboyz, even though you'd prefer to die, that doesn't mean everybody's like you. What gives you the right to make the decision between life and death for them?

I don't think you get the full point. The point is, it could just be a choice made upon sentence. It doesn't necessarily have to be forced upon you.

By the way, when you mention the "right to life," there is another segment that also states that if you violate the rights of another, you lose your own, including that one. Most countries have such a clause for citizenship. If you violate the rights of another person, in effect, taking away those rights, you just bypassed your own rights.

P.S.,
I guess Obama does have to be quite aware of the world around him and how technology works if he's texting announcements to his officials when it's not the place to make a phone call.

[Tobbe]

Fine, my argument about the Declaration of Human Rights isn't a very good one. I guess that's what you get when you don't actually bother reading the damned thing. All my other points are still valid, though.
Okay, we've gone very, very far off topic, so let's go back to discussing Obama.

[Hunchman801]

I've already given my opinion about death penalty in another topic. As concerns Obama, I'm happy indeed, but there's not much we can say now.

[neo]

I even voted for him. : D Lets hope I made the right choice. (for my sake and others lol)

I don't believe that any human should kill others through the death penalty, but some deserve it, I can admit.

Hope Obama's Economic Stimilus package does something...

[Shawn]

Eh, I bet all the people will still bitch and moan the hell out of him as soon as something goes wrong.

[Joshua822]

The open source thing is actually the most interesting thing I've heard. He sounds pretty aware of how things need to work from a technological standpoint. It could make their websites and servers more secure as well.

The NSA isn't dumb, they already use Linux ( Security Enhanced Linux, but still )

Open source is good. I'm not paying hundreds of dollars for a word processor when I can get one with slightly less features for free. (Microsoft Office vs. OpenOffice) I wouldn't have expected him to catch on to something like that though.

You're still paying for Windows. Why not get Linux ? It can do everything except for hardcore gaming. But Quake and Unreal can work on it ( natively or Wine )

[foultzboyz]

I know that--that's why I won't get Linux. I'm a hardcore PC gamer and Linux or Macs (my personal choice) won't cut it for me. Though paying hundreds for a few office tools (one license) is insane in my opinion, so I'm grateful for the equally functional OpenOffice.

Obama's looking good so far--let's see how it goes.

[Tobbe]

I get Windows, MS Office and Adobe Photoshop for free!