Rayman 3 scores

[Mountain Goat]

What do you mean with "real"?
I've got 42.686 now in FC without using the glitch, or what did you mean?
Yeah, it's outrageous, but now I wish I hadn't discovered it. I explored, that this glitch I can use also works in other levels, I made a screenshot in LS in the secret room, where I already have 27.000 from the last play.
Sheesh, now I hate this glitchy game
But well, I've got still the normal savegame
@MandM: I didn't read your story with the Elite Hoodmonger until now. Awesome stuff! Sometimes I had thought about similar things like "When three events happen at the same time (for example get hit by a Hoodlum, collect a gem and beat a Hoodlum at exactly the same time), maybe the score counter could get boosted or different things.

[Xenon]

What an incredible score for TFC.

It may be possible to get 999999 now. If you used this glitch for every level I'm sure you could rack up 100,000 accumulated points from other levels. I guess this makes the victory weak and hollow though... yeah. It's like a cheat you wish you never knew..

[MandM81]

For "real" I meant without the glitch. This glitch really ruins a good level. I mean, you can get 100.000+ without getting anything right until part 6. Then you can repeat part 6 until you have enough points. No more need for the Matuvu Combos, no more need for creativity. FC was the last frontier, the last level yet to be conquered and the last level where every point was important.

Do you mean you can trigger this glitch in LS as well? My goodness, is R3 really becoming a meaningless game?

[Mountain Goat]

I can totally agree with you both. I stopped playing on this modality. It's very senseless and hollow.
I can't really be proud of this FC-Score, it is incredible, but how you said, without any problems.
And I wished I never knew, it would be just silly, you would plague with these creepy (but funny and it's a compitition to manage them!!) Matuvu-Combos and I could easily get an incredible score there.
Naaah, I may delete the savegame, I'll show it friends and then ....
It's indeed greater to develope new combos or improve existing ones and get a decent score, than using this glitch and have such an unlucky achievement.

[MandM81]

Well said I had already begun to unwrap a pc-version of R3, which I bought a few months back, but never opened.

[Mountain Goat]

Yeah, thanks. That's my view on the things (and your's, too,). It's fascinating first and funny,too, but when you think further over it....
Well, a silly question now : Why didn't you open it?
And I think Xenon bought the PC-Version, too, had he used it?

[MandM81]

I bought the pc-version out of curiousity. I remember Hunchman playing LOTLD part 2, which was rather different on the pc-version than on the console version. There were several extra Hoodlums in this part, which sounded too tempting to let go.
I never got to open it though because I found some new things in FC and I replayed this level. Also I replayed BOM, so I just didn't have the time.

Don't know if Xenon got around to play it. I think there was some compatibility problem though.

[Xenon]

Indeed there was, but I decided to test it on the family computer downstairs and it worked fine. I suppose I just got a bit bored of playing though as I found the controls uncomfortable.

Just bear in mind that this glitch is only available to PC players. It's certainly downgrading to know that devilishly hard combos (such as the 3MC) can now be avoided totally with still a more-than-perfect score in hand, and I too am rather frustrated that the game wasn't debugged properly. Mostwanted, what will you do now? Will you disregard the glitch and continue playing under your normal legitimate savegame or give up?

[MandM81]

Well, let’s hope no dishonest (pc) players read this. It could mean the pc-players would have to compete in a group of their own. As far as I understand the glitch, the world cup for pc-players would mean scores like:

FC: 108.339
CF: 115.579
BOM: 114.499
LOTLD: 119.599
DOTK: 120.239
LS: 120.539
SBTC: 115.019
HH: 116.699
TOTL: 119.679

Total: 1.050.191

Scores like that would be instantly recognizable as glitch enhanced, but how can one recognize “credible” scores like 45.000 in FC and 43.000 in LS as real or as glitch related? Dark times are looming.

[Xenon]

Let's try and burry this discovery forever and keep the secret amongst our little group. I feel we can trust mostwanted, Jona and sfn42 because they play for authentic scores and gameplay, but maybe others would take advantage of this.

I'll have to admit though, it would be funny for PCers to battle against each other in a separate league, but the only area of competition would be TLS, one of the worst worlds if one is to go for the maximum combo. And I wonder what would happen after the score counter reaches 999999. Maybe it restarts, or maybe it freezes before the combo points are added... or maybe it stops dead at 999999 no matter what the impending points are.

I think I'm going to continue playing the game though, as I'm aware in myself 44000+ is a far more respectable score than an ersatz score of 108000+. The game is all about challenge, and achieving such a ridiculous amount of points from a glitch requires very little skill, determination and perseverance.

[sfn42]

I think that glitch is an incredible discovery, not because it's of any use but because it solves the mystery of how some PC players were in the old Hall of Fame with scores higher than 900000. However, it's really a shame that the developers were unable to avoid glitches like that, they would've spared us the anger of cheaters being on top of the HoF.

And I can only agree with Xenon. For players like use it doesn't change anything. We go for the challenge and for the satisfaction of having achieved an extraordinary score.

[MandM81]

I think I'm going to continue playing the game though, as I'm aware in myself 44000+ is a far more respectable score than an ersatz score of 108000+. The game is all about challenge, and achieving such a ridiculous amount of points from a glitch requires very little skill, determination and perseverance.

So true. And on that note, how are you progressing with the trampoline?

[Xenon]

Currently I'm trapped with this combo. I'm aware that there are at least four methods I could use, but all of them are ridiculously difficult in respect of the score given afterwards. In fact, the whole level is stupidly annoying as it only gives 3000 points, yet so much labour has to be put into it, plus one has to undergo the famous Murfy speech EVERY SINGLE time 10 points are lost. And there are so many places these points can be lost.

Anyway, I'm not sure whether the cheaters used Mostwanted's trick in order to get unbelievable scores. I still think most simply hacked into the RZ website and altered their scores - it would explain why one of the cheaters got 1 more point than Jona, back in 2004.

[Hunchman801]

And yeah, I managed it! Here is the proof:

Hehe, I knew it ^^ But does it work for every level?

Well, let’s hope no dishonest (pc) players read this. It could mean the pc-players would have to compete in a group of their own. As far as I understand the glitch, the world cup for pc-players would mean scores like:

FC: 108.339
CF: 115.579
BOM: 114.499
LOTLD: 119.599
DOTK: 120.239
LS: 120.539
SBTC: 115.019
HH: 116.699
TOTL: 119.679

Total: 1.050.191

Scores like that would be instantly recognizable as glitch enhanced, but how can one recognize “credible” scores like 45.000 in FC and 43.000 in LS as real or as glitch related? Dark times are looming.

The total score is only a six-digit number though, which means they couldn't get more than 999,999. But there's really nothing to worry about. The old HoF is dead, now we're a small community of gamers and we don't care about cheaters, and anyway, if we were to have a new HoF at PC, it would be moderated to prevent cheaters from spoiling the fun.

[Mountain Goat]

@Xenon: You know my opinion I will play normally further. Well, I found the trampoline combo pretty easier.
But how could be 108.339 possible in FC? There aren't any 8.000 combos, only the Secret-Room Combo in the Heart of the World.

[MandM81]

But how could be 108.339 possible in FC? There aren't any 8.000 combos, only the Secret-Room Combo in the Heart of the World.

Well, the extended 3MC is worth 8.340 points in combo.

[Mountain Goat]

Oh, I forgot
Well, I'll replay FC or play SBTC soon. I hope that you can trust me, I swear, I won't use this glitch again. Otherwise I wouldn't see the sense in playing further when you don't trust me, cuz' I wont to play on "fair" terms and not using the glitch. I really wish, I never had discovered it

[MandM81]

Of course we trust you. After all you got 35.500 points after part 5 without the glitch, right?

[Mountain Goat]

Thank's, that's very important for me.
I got 35.500 after Part 5 without the glitch, yeah, so I could had get 43.400 in total, but because the combo didn't count and this glitch occured I only have these 42.686 how to see on the screenshot, which isn't a improvement because before I had 42.728
One question though: Will you reveal the "tricks" in FC right now or will you wait with this?

[Xenon]

Finally, after two hours solid of listening to Murfy's "brief" explanation and suffering from turtles getting stuck or vanishing into thin air, I've finished with 3090 points. Now I feel satisfied of a good score at the end of part 2, so I'm motivated to give part 3 a good shot. Even if it does include the extended 3MC, which I'll have to experiment with.

I'm one step closer to becoming second.