Religion – your views

[Cairnie]

Someone needs a copy of this to take to special school.

[iHeckler9]

Look, I think (my opinion only, so no quoting or Tobbe) that God exists, but evolution's going on.


END.

[Jona]

God must exist.

spiraldoor's theorem is a good one, but how can evolution do all this?

Everything's evolving, but who could have made this all?

God, that's who.

Sorry, but it's nonsense to assume that.

How evolution can do it? Simply because it can. It's too complicated to draw immediate conclusions to, but what we know is that for the most part, the universe we know it as it is now, is caused by the arrangement of particles. They all influence each other as time goes on, and that's what makes the universe what it is. The origin is another question, but what's sure is that the amount of energy that exists in the whole universe, must always have existed, whether or not in a very small particle. Energy does not come out of nowhere, nor does it vanish into nothing. It's always there. You know, what I find the most intruiging thing, is how the particles are all spread out across the universe, but when you imagine a universe without objects and energy... all that's left is just a void. But is a void a place? It's just nothing. That's maybe the hardest to imagine of all things.

A void isn't nothing. It still has space and time (though neither of them mean anything anymore), and it is still governed by the laws of physics. Although physics is mostly about the interaction of matter and energy, so it wouldn't be that important, either. But still: if a void exists, it isn't utter nothingness.

Also, I've heard that vacuums produce electrons or something. (!)

What is a void then if it's not nothing, according to you?

[spiraldoor]

A void is a place with nothing in it. Though the word "void" could be used to describe utter nothingness, I suppose.

[iHeckler9]

Like the inside of >Insert name here< head is a void...!?

[Jona]

A void is a place with nothing in it. Though the word "void" could be used to describe utter nothingness, I suppose.

So it is indeed, nothing, you agree with me on that.

It's just that there's 'room for something'. But that means space is endless. I mean, what would there be if there was less than nothing? Such a place couldn't possibly exist. This is the kind of thing I mean when I say it's the most intruiging subject there is.

[Xenon]

I don't think there is a place that is absolutely 'void' (I guess I'll get attacked for using this word inappropriately xD) because it defies every scientific law there is. I believe that if one was to travel far enough out into space, energy would make matter reversible - so there'd just a massive U-turn constructed by some form of energy. I don't think space is endless at all.

[Tobbe]

It is commonly accepted in the scientific community (I think), that the Universe is not infinite.

[Jona]

But you could think of it in many different ways. If the universe isn't infinite, what marks the end of the universe? How could one visualise that? What's beyond there, if there's anything?

These questions are unanswerable, but interesting to think about until it just drives you crazy.

[iHeckler9]

You can't drive me crazy.

I was BORN crazy.

[Jona]

[iHeckler9]

<Sighs at Jona's comment>

We were learning about God today.

[Tobbe]

QFT

[iHeckler9]

<Sighs at Tobbe's/Jona's comment/s>

Why do people put God in video games?

It could offend some people.

[spiraldoor]

but when you imagine a universe without objects and energy... all that's left is just a void.

So it is indeed, nothing, you agree with me on that.

There seems to be a misunderstanding. You talked about a universe with nothing in it, and you said that that was "nothing". But it isn't. A universe without matter and energy energy is still that - a universe. Not nothing, even if it is empty.

[iHeckler9]

I'm really angry, because I went to RE the other day and I found out that God lives a street away, next to my best friend.

[spiraldoor]

Funny joke.

[iHeckler9]

I know, LOL!!!1!!!one!!!shiftone!!!

[Tobbe]

The whole "I am God/God lives down the street" thing wasn't funny the first time, and now it has just become really annoying.

[Jona]

but when you imagine a universe without objects and energy... all that's left is just a void.

So it is indeed, nothing, you agree with me on that.

There seems to be a misunderstanding. You talked about a universe with nothing in it, and you said that that was "nothing". But it isn't. A universe without matter and energy energy is still that - a universe. Not nothing, even if it is empty.

I don't know what one can define as nothing, then. I mean, if we look at the universe, it's a space where matter and energy can exist. In specific places in the universe where there's no matter or energy at that point (like no heat emitted from a star, no comets, no planets, no radiation sources whatsoever) that should mean there's nothing, am I right? since the only things that can exist are energy and matter, and those are related to each other as Einstein found out with his famous formula. There's nothing else than it, and if both are not there at a specific place, it must mean there's nothing. Just that there's space for something, but there isn't anything. But that makes me wonder why everyone says the universe isn't infinite. They must mean with that, that the final place where there's matter and energy, marks the edge of the universe. But wouldn't there be SPACE for matter and energy beyond that edge? I don't see why not, and that's what makes me think there's infinite room for matter and energy. It just depends on how much energy (and thus matter) there's to be divided, and it may not reach as far, if that energy and matter isn't infinite. So what I think that would happen if you were to cross the edge of the universe, and keep on flying in your space craft, you'd just fly through the void infinitely. Unless the universe works in a way that if you did this, and kept flying straight on, you'd eventually come back where the matter and energy is, from the other side where you left it. But that doesn't seem very likely... it's just completely unimaginable!