Rayman 3 for Gamecube working perfectly!

[Hunchman801]

But he never appeared in Rayman 1, duh
It was BAD Rayman

+1.

[Fat_Mario]

I finally beat the Beginner! Thank you so much Drol! I sended you my save file

[stan423321]

But he never appeared in Rayman 1, duh
It was BAD Rayman

+1.

+0xFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF. In two's complement signed.

[spiraldoor]

But he never appeared in Rayman 1, duh
It was BAD Rayman

-1

[stan423321]

Exactly what I said, if you know what's two's complement.

[spiraldoor]

I...don't

[Xenon]

Well come on, he didn't. One is merely a skin for Rayman in Arena whereas the other is an evil spell destined to find and destroy Rayman. Ergo one is evil and the other is not. The two don't even look alike!

Their names are similar, I'll admit, but Ubisoft probably just flawed in the name-repetition field.

[spiraldoor]

Well come on, he didn't. One is merely a skin for Rayman in Arena whereas the other is an evil spell destined to find and destroy Rayman. Ergo one is evil and the other is not. The two don't even look alike!

Their names are similar, I'll admit, but Ubisoft probably just flawed in the name-repetition field.

First of all: yes Dark Rayman in Rayman Arena IS evil, read Drolpiraat's post in the other thread.
They DO look alike, all that's changed is clothes and hair colour. Rayman himself has changed quite a lot through the games too, you know.
"Flawed in the name-repetition field"? So you're just taking parts of the Rayman games which justify your argument and ignoring the parts which contradict it, saying "Oh Ubisoft just made a mistake, that doesn't mean anything"?

[stan423321]

Eyes changed drastically.

[Xenon]

Everything has changed, the only similarity is they both look diabolical. But I still see no proof of Dark Rayman being evil in Droolie's or your post - if he really was evil, do you not think he'd try to attack Rayman's friends?

And as for my last point, that was a final explanation to back up my points...

[Rulez]

He seems neutral to me. He wasn't doing any EVIL stuff, like... uh... stealing apple pies, etc., but he still was DARK Rayman. So he is neutral! He neither helps our heros, nor wants to kill them or something (unless in the Battles...).

[stan423321]

For me, he's a spoiler.

[spiraldoor]

Everything has changed, the only similarity is they both look diabolical. But I still see no proof of Dark Rayman being evil in Droolie's or your post - if he really was evil, do you not think he'd try to attack Rayman's friends?

Everything has changed? Actually, they both look like Rayman.

And he DOES attack Rayman's friends. Try a 2-player Lum Fight with Dark Rayman and one of Rayman's friends. There you go.

He didn't really attack Rayman in R1 anyway.

Razorbeard didn't attack Rayman's friends in Arena, does that mean he's not evil?

Oh come on, EVERYONE attacks each other in Arena, it doesn't mean anything.

[Xenon]

Everything has changed? Actually, they both look like Rayman.

So Ta-Ray-Zan and Rayman are one of the same too then, on that basis.

And he DOES attack Rayman's friends. Try a 2-player Lum Fight with Dark Rayman and one of Rayman's friends. There you go.

He didn't really attack Rayman in R1 anyway.

Razorbeard didn't attack Rayman's friends in Arena, does that mean he's not evil?

Oh come on, EVERYONE attacks each other in Arena, it doesn't mean anything.

Your whole point is ruined by your final comment. As you said, anyone can attack anyone, so Globox can attack Rayman and vice versa. It's a bad indicator. To be honest though, it doesn't matter if Dark Rayman is evil; it doesn't prove in any way that the two are the same.

[Fat_Mario]

Drol! I send you one message about the save file! Did you get it?

[spiraldoor]

Everything has changed? Actually, they both look like Rayman.

So Ta-Ray-Zan and Rayman are one of the same too then, on that basis.

Obviously not, as you get to see Tarayzan and Rayman at the same time

And Tarayzan isn't called "Rayman" in Rayman Advance

And where did you get the hyphens from?

And he DOES attack Rayman's friends. Try a 2-player Lum Fight with Dark Rayman and one of Rayman's friends. There you go.

He didn't really attack Rayman in R1 anyway.

Razorbeard didn't attack Rayman's friends in Arena, does that mean he's not evil?

Oh come on, EVERYONE attacks each other in Arena, it doesn't mean anything.

Your whole point is ruined by your final comment. As you said, anyone can attack anyone, so Globox can attack Rayman and vice versa. It's a bad indicator. To be honest though, it doesn't matter if Dark Rayman is evil; it doesn't prove in any way that the two are the same.

Dark Rayman is not just another skin in Arena, he is EVIL. Have you read Drolpiraat's post? It does not prove it, but it heavily indicates it.

And why is it that you are so certain that Rayman has two evil clones?

[Xenon]

Everything has changed? Actually, they both look like Rayman.

So Ta-Ray-Zan and Rayman are one of the same too then, on that basis.

Obviously not, as you get to see Tarayzan and Rayman at the same time

And Tarayzan isn't called "Rayman" in Rayman Advance

Stop defending your dead points and come up with some good ones!

The two look alike, which was your previous argument, and Ta-ray-zan and Rayman have the same bodily features - in fact, they're exactly the same apart from their clothing. This is the same with Dark Rayman and Bad Rayman.

Dark Rayman is not just another skin in Arena, he is EVIL. Have you read Drolpiraat's post? It does not prove it, but it heavily indicates it.

And why is it that you are so certain that Rayman has two evil clones?

The only things evil about Dark Rayman are his name and his looks. I have said twice now that neither Drol's nor your post contains anything to indicate he does hold evil traits. Read all three posts.

And to answer your question, well, everything suggests it!

[spiraldoor]

Rayman very clearly and obviously is not Rayman; the same cannot be said about Dark/Bad Rayman. They never appear at the same time, and they both appear to be evil versions of Rayman. I cannot see how they are different.

You say the only things evil about Dark Rayman are his name and looks. How exactly does that mean he isn't Bad Rayman?

[Acarr]

That makes no sense.

[Xenon]

Look, this argument is getting so tiresome. It is quite simply obvious that Dark Rayman and Bad Rayman are not the same, however well you decorate your points. The fact is so crystal clear that I don't know how to express my argument.

You can say that they don't appear at the same time in the same game, but that means absolutely nothing. And you can argue all you like to how similar the two look (even though there's a clear difference), but again, that means nothing at all.