Outrageous generalisation.That's because they think they're going to burn in agony in the depths of Hell for all eternity if they aren't.
It says they will in the Bible. Are you saying Christians don't believe in the Bible?Xenon wrote:Outrageous generalisation.That's because they think they're going to burn in agony in the depths of Hell for all eternity if they aren't.
Actually, that's not the reason Hitler wanted to exterminate the jews. The actual reason was that he was an atheist and wanted a world without religion. So, he started by exterminating the Jews. Why ? Because in the bible, the Jews are said to be the people of god. So he started with the root, the Jews. After that, he would begin exterminating Christians and others...What??
Ben Stein claims that Hitler got the idea to exterminate the Jews from the theory of Evolution. This is clearly bollocks. Hitler was brought up as a Catholic, so his irrational hatred of Jews was actually founded on religious beliefs (Jews have been labelled by Christians as the killers of christ, for those of you who didn't know that).
Well now, I wouldn't say that. ;3 Art and crafts were very much effected by religion, especially in earlier times. Just take a look at the major art-waves of the middle ages...most of them thrive from whatever was going on religion-wise. Or go back as far as cavemen, who painted the prey and marked the places where they should be hit with a spear, as it was their belief that it'd cause good luck that way.Xenon wrote:Although religion hasn't brought anything good to the world (though I'll have to say all the Christians I've met are very, very nice people), it also hasn't brought anything bad, therefore, there's no reason to hate either group.
So you don't think the crusades and 9/11 were bad?Xenon wrote:Although religion hasn't brought anything good to the world... it also hasn't brought anything bad
This makes no sense at all. Hitler was not an atheist, at least not before 1942-43. As spiraldoor (or whoever he quoted) said, Hitler got a standard dose of anti-semitism from his Catholic upbringing, and this was reinforced by the social situation in Germany in the early 20th century. "Starting with the root" of religion is also completely illogical. If he wanted to exterminate all the religions (not even remotely possible, btw), he would have started with the Christians and the Muslims, who are pretty much the only ones who tries actively to spread their religion. That's a crazy though, and Hitler, although evil, was not crazy, at least not in his early years.Joshua822 wrote:Actually, that's not the reason Hitler wanted to exterminate the jews. The actual reason was that he was an atheist and wanted a world without religion. So, he started by exterminating the Jews. Why ? Because in the bible, the Jews are said to be the people of god. So he started with the root, the Jews. After that, he would begin exterminating Christians and others...What??
Ben Stein claims that Hitler got the idea to exterminate the Jews from the theory of Evolution. This is clearly bollocks. Hitler was brought up as a Catholic, so his irrational hatred of Jews was actually founded on religious beliefs (Jews have been labelled by Christians as the killers of christ, for those of you who didn't know that).
You're right. Religions are bad, that's a point I've been trying to make all along. You are also right that belief in God isn't a bad thing in itself. But belief in God is a premise for the existance of religions, and as we have already stated, religion is generally not a good thing. The 9/11 attacks on WTC started with belief:Now, in this thread i've been reading a lot lately about Religion being bad. But, actually, are God and Religion depent on each other. What is Religion for you ? I think that you can believe in God and Evolution too. You don't need the bible, the torah, or the quran to believe in God. And Religion has caused bad things more then good things. For example, in the middle century's kings justified wars "in the name of God and the crusades. Both horrible things. And that's just two things from a whole book of ridicilous mistakes of the church.
As a matter of fact, god speaks directly to his chosen people a lot in the Old Testament. He says pleasant things such as:Did God said that the crusades where right ? Did God said that wars where "cool" ? Not in any case i've heard.
Basically: Kill all unbelievers, decapitate them and put their heads on sticks.Yahweh wrote:And Israel joined himself unto Baalpeor: and the anger of the LORD was kindled against Israel. And the LORD said unto Moses, 'Take all the heads of the people and hang them up before the LORD against the sun, that the fierce anger of the LORD may be turned away from Israel.
Very well. But if you're going to argue in favour of god, or against Atheism, then at least come up with some valid arguments.And my opinion, i've learned much in this thread, and i have certainly other opinions on some fronts then before this thread. I still believe in an omnipotent. Whether it's God or not. There is something above natural, i'm sure of that...
I'm sure he's terrified at the prospect.Mylifeisinsane wrote:If you call me emo again I'll accuse you of cyber-bullying.
Charity has nothing to do with religion my friendI disagree with those who say religion hasn't brought anything good to the world. Charitable organisations much? A lot of them are organised by religious people.
Actually, by exterminating the Jews many Christians and Moslims started to fear too and stoped talking about their religion. You can best control the people if the people fear you. That includes stoping the spreading of religions."Starting with the root" of religion is also completely illogical. If he wanted to exterminate all the religions (not even remotely possible, btw), he would have started with the Christians and the Muslims, who are pretty much the only ones who tries actively to spread their religion. That's a crazy though, and Hitler, although evil, was not crazy, at least not in his early years.
That makes me think. Maybe God sent Jesus not to die for our sents, but to reconcile with us by sacrificing his sun. After all, if you listen to God in the new testament, he doesn't say anything about whiping out people. But he wants peace. If you listen to the old testament, well, he was much wurse then Hitler.As a matter of fact, god speaks directly to his chosen people a lot in the Old Testament. He says pleasant things such as:
Yahweh wrote:And Israel joined himself unto Baalpeor: and the anger of the LORD was kindled against Israel. And the LORD said unto Moses, 'Take all the heads of the people and hang them up before the LORD against the sun, that the fierce anger of the LORD may be turned away from Israel.
Basically: Kill all unbelievers, decapitate them and put their heads on sticks.
Now, now, not every word of the Bible should be taken literally. Seriously, the only people who do, are the ones unknown or new to the whole idea. Most of the things in the Bible have a meaning attached to them, which usually does NOT equal extermination. If there's something I've learned over religions class(which is a must in my school, so don't start bugging me about it), it's that people live to be forgiven for any sins, and not to burn in hell. If you want genuine proof though, look no further than the story of Jonah and Nineve.Joshua822 wrote:That makes me think. Maybe God sent Jesus not to die for our sents, but to reconcile with us by sacrificing his sun. After all, if you listen to God in the new testament, he doesn't say anything about whiping out people. But he wants peace. If you listen to the old testament, well, he was much wurse then Hitler.As a matter of fact, god speaks directly to his chosen people a lot in the Old Testament. He says pleasant things such as:
Yahweh wrote:And Israel joined himself unto Baalpeor: and the anger of the LORD was kindled against Israel. And the LORD said unto Moses, 'Take all the heads of the people and hang them up before the LORD against the sun, that the fierce anger of the LORD may be turned away from Israel.
Basically: Kill all unbelievers, decapitate them and put their heads on sticks.
Well, this argument only counts for the bible though
Anyway, typos aside, if Jesus wasn't sent to die for our sins then why do Christians insist on telling us he did?That makes me think. Maybe God sent Jesus not to die for our sents, but to reconcile with us by sacrificing his sun. After all, if you listen to God in the new testament, he doesn't say anything about whiping out people. But he wants peace. If you listen to the old testament, well, he was much wurse then Hitler.
The Third Reich was founded on Christianity, and the idea that Aryan Christians were superior to other races. The idea that Hitler was an atheist is largely founded on Hitlers criticism of the church. Most modern psychoanalytical studies conclude that Hitler, although critical towards the church, held deep religious beliefs. He more than once expressed admiration for Islam, stating that it was stronger than Christianity, which he considered weak.joshua wrote:Actually, by exterminating the Jews many Christians and Muslims started to fear too and stoped talking about their religion. You can best control the people if the people fear you. That includes stoping the spreading of religions."Starting with the root" of religion is also completely illogical. If he wanted to exterminate all the religions (not even remotely possible, btw), he would have started with the Christians and the Muslims, who are pretty much the only ones who tries actively to spread their religion. That's a crazy thought, and Hitler, although evil, was not crazy, at least not in his early years.
Full articleIn public, Hitler often praised Christian heritage, German Christian culture, and professed a belief in an Aryan Jesus Christ, a Jesus who fought against the Jews.[283] In his speeches and publications Hitler spoke of his interpretation of Christianity as a central motivation for his antisemitism, stating that "As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice."[284][285] His private statements, as reported by his intimates, are more mixed, showing Hitler as a religious man but critical of traditional Christianity.[286] Here Hitler made at least one attack against Catholicism that "resonated Streicher's contention that the Catholic establishment was allying itself with the Jews."[287] In light of these private statements, for John S. Conway and many other historians it is beyond doubt that Hitler held a "fundamental antagonism" towards the Christian churches.[288] The various accounts of Hitler's private statements vary strongly in their reliability; Most importantly, Hermann Rauschning's Hitler speaks is considered by most historians to be an invention.[289][290] An overview about Hitler's religious beliefs, based on his apparent private statements, can be found in the acclaimed book by Michael Rißmann or in Richard Steigmann-Gall's controversial book on Nazism and Christianity
Maybe because that is what they want to think. Maybe they think that it's unthinkable, a God can't make a mistake in their eyes. But maybe God himself could make a mistake too.Anyway, typos aside, if Jesus wasn't sent to die for our sins then why do Christians insist on telling us he did?
Of course that's what they want us to think. Christianity is founded on the idea that Jesus is the incarnation of god.Joshua822 wrote:Maybe because that is what they want to think.Anyway, typos aside, if Jesus wasn't sent to die for our sins then why do Christians insist on telling us he did?
My mother always said if I was to have people respect my views or religion if I might have one at some point, I should also give respect vice-versa...Tobbe wrote:Edit: I wrote god with a capital 'G'. It's been corrected now, I won't let it happen again.
I don't think religion was fully responsible for that... the major flaw lied in human idiocy. Most religious people do not behave like that.So you don't think the crusades and 9/11 were bad?
