Religion – your views

[Tobbe]

I believe Creationism should be taught as a theory

Creationism is not a theory. It doesn't even qualify as a valid hypothesis, as there is per definition no way to falsify it.

[Xenon]

As a belief that opposes other scientific hypothesees, then.

[Tobbe]

As a belief that opposes other scientific hypothesees, then.

A belief that opposes a scientific theory.

[stan423321]

Which has some weak points, but is based on a thing which seems to be true.

Anyway, each time I find a die-hard evolutionist, I try to make her/him watching Idiocracy. If this person finds this movie stupid (as most of evolutionists do for some reason) and then continues to be evolutionist, this is obvious that somebody makes no logic there.

[Xenon]

As a belief that opposes other scientific hypothesees, then.

A belief that opposes a scientific theory.

There's hardly any difference between a hypothesis and a theory other than that one can be argued.

[Tobbe]

There is quite an important difference between a theory and a hypothesis, and in this case it is important to stress that evolution is indeed a theory, and not a hypothesis.

Anyway, each time I find a die-hard evolutionist, I try to make her/him watching Idiocracy.

*downloads*

[Joshua822]

Of course, i think that Creationism shouldn't be thought in a scientific classroom. It's not science.

But it should be thought in a Religious class. Yes, you may find the idea stupid. But there should be classes about the different Religions to prevent huge misunderstanding in the future.

And, Creationism isn't a theory, it's a belief, some people see it as a fact, and some as nonsense.

Oh, and every theory has some holes in it, that's what makes it a theory. And who knows ? There could have been a crocoduck, but it didn't survive because it wasn't fit enough. That Creationist is jut being ignorant now.

[Tobbe]

But it should be thought in a Religious class. Yes, you may find the idea stupid. But there should be classes about the different Religions to prevent huge misunderstanding in the future.

I do not find this stupid at all. In fact, I would encourage schools to teach kids about Creationism and Intelligent Desing in a Social Studies or Religious Education class, as long as they don't present it as a valid option to the Theory of Evolution, but rather expose it as the politically and religiously motivated bullshit it is.

Oh, and every theory has some holes in it, that's what makes it a theory. And who knows ? There could have been a crocoduck, but it didn't survive because it wasn't fit enough. That Creationist is jut being ignorant now.

Actually, no science (except math) can ever become more than a theory, it doesn't matter if there are any holes in it or not. And btw, there could never have been a crocoduck like the one Kirk Cameron is talking about. There could have been an animal which resembles the one on the picture (although it is highly unlikely), but it would not genetically be half duck, half crocodile. The Theory of Evolution does not at all predict the existance of such an animal, anyway, so Kirk Cameron's argument is just a straw man.

The most recent common ancestor shared by the duck and the crocodile is most likely this:



The archaeopteryx, which lived during the Jurassic Period.

[stan423321]

Not sure what whole crocoduck business is about, but well, it's common knowledge birds are linked with reptiles.

And well, Tobbe, it's obvious that religion is religiously motivated.

[Xenon]

Theories/hypothesees? There may be some subtle differences there but generally the two describe a controversial belief. There have been several instances where I could nitpick you guys for using incorrect words in incorrect circumstances, but to be honest, as long as the message is clear I'm not bothered.

Anyway, if some people want to support a theory, that's their personal decision. Schools or any other agencies should not preach a belief as fact but as theory, or if you like, as belief. Deluding children by making them believe in God seems almost criminal as it's simply a way of cataloguing clueless kids into the religious branch - I mean, most walk straight out when they hit puberty anyway. Evolution? Well, that's solidified now but I still believe this should also be taught as an IDEA. I personally support it, and I think only deluded people don't, but that doesn't mean people can't be subjected to their personal view. As I said in the God discussion, if people want to believe a supernatural being created human life forms, that's fine by me.

[Tobbe]

Theories/hypothesees? There may be some subtle differences there but generally the two describe a controversial belief.

*sigh*

No. A hypothesis is basically an educated guess. A theory on the other hand:

Some scientific explanations are so well established that no new evidence is likely to alter them. The explanation becomes a scientific theory. In everyday language a theory means a hunch or speculation. Not so in science. In science, the word theory refers to a comprehensive explanation of an important feature of nature supported by facts gathered over time. Theories also allow scientists to make predictions about as yet unobserved phenomena.

A scientific theory is a well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world, based on a body of facts that have been repeatedly confirmed through observation and experiment. Such fact-supported theories are not "guesses" but reliable accounts of the real world. The theory of biological evolution is more than "just a theory." It is as factual an explanation of the universe as the atomic theory of matter or the germ theory of disease. Our understanding of gravity is still a work in progress. But the phenomenon of gravity, like evolution, is an accepted fact.

I advise you to watch this video as well: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zcavPAFi ... annel_page

For those of you who are interested in science, and particularly the origin of the Universe, life, and the species, I recommend the rest of this series:
http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p ... 7556D7AADB

[Xenon]

I didn't ask for an exhaustive definition, and nor was this the basis of my argument. I'm not going to spend hours of my evening looking through useless websites or Youtube videos that prove my idea of theory wrong, as to be frank, I don't care.

[Tobbe]

as to be frank, I don't care.

I win

[Xenon]

Congratulations, you've proven that I used one word out of context. You win. Now let's return to proper, more interesting discussions...

[Holy Crap]

Yay emu.

[spiraldoor]

Speaking of crocoducks...

...Dolphin-emu!

[stan423321]

There's already one.
viewtopic.php?t=5269

[Tobbe]

[Holy Crap]

Yep, that sure worked.

[stan423321]

I think that Tobbe found the symbol of this whatever-pedia (a'la Mars symbol) funny. But how? I dunno.