Religion – your views

[Zay-el]

Um....Spiral? You do realize this is basically the modern-day version of Nazi death-camps?

[spiraldoor]

Um....Spiral? You do realize this is basically the modern-day version of Nazi death-camps?

What exactly do you mean by "this"?

[iHeckler9]

I hate Nazis.

[Tobbe]

I think it would be good if there actually was some way to turn homosexuals straight. When you think about it, it is quite disgusting...

I find the idea of having sex with other men disgusting, but homosexual men obviously don't. Sexual orientation is a matter of opinion, and you'll have to learn to respect other people's opinions, no matter how disgusting you find them.

And Zay-El, while you're here, don't forget to vote! Click the link in my sig. This is mandatory.

[Hunchman801]

Um....Spiral? You do realize this is basically the modern-day version of Nazi death-camps?

Not that I agree with spiraldoor, but what you said doesn't make sense

By the way, on subject:

How can anyone beleive we evolved from monkeys heres a few questions for people who beleive that1.If we did evolve from monkeys then how come babies arent born monkeys2.Even Darwin said his theories were wrong before he died so why do you still believe them3.do you really not believe the bible it says we were created in seven days not millions of years4.how come we cant speak monkey

And what about this one:

[on the subject of a Bible printing company]Yes, that is a great company. I bought one of their large print version (old eyes… what can I say?).The only thing I don’t like about them is they sell foreign language versions of the KJB. I don’t think that’s right. We know the only true translation is the 1600’s version in English.It’s too risky for anybody to translate that into other languages. Mistakes can creep in… and that can lead to heresy. True Christians should only read English.

By the way, has anyone read Jack Chick's comics? That one is pretty hilarious.

[Tobbe]

4.how come we cant speak monkey

This is perhaps the dumbest thing I've heard a Creationist say, and they say a lot of dumb things!

[spiraldoor]

I think it would be good if there actually was some way to turn homosexuals straight. When you think about it, it is quite disgusting...

I find the idea of having sex with other men disgusting, but homosexual men obviously don't. Sexual orientation is a matter of opinion, and you'll have to learn to respect other people's opinions, no matter how disgusting you find them.

Ah, but if there was a way to turn them straight, then they wouldn't be gay anymore, so we wouldn't have to respect gayness!

[Hunchman801]

On gayness:

I am a bit troubled. I believe my son has a girlfriend, because she left a dirty magazine with men in it under his bed. My son is only 16 and I really don’t think he’s ready to date yet. What’s worse is that he’s sneaking some girl to his room behind my back. I need help, God! I want my son to stop being so secretive!

[Tobbe]

Even if there was a way, why would you waste energy and recourses on it. What purpose could it possible serve?
And if they didn't want to turn straight, why would you force them to?

[spiraldoor]

It would protect them from homophobic attacks.

~Hmm...would sneaking loads of testosterone into their food do the trick?

[Zay-el]

I was referring to what Xenon quoted there, linking it also to what Spiral said.

And about gay people...to be honest, while it's a fad to hate them, I can't do so, since on the other hand, a friend of mine is a lesbian. Therefore, I'm with the 'live and let live' thought. As long as they don't try to convince me to their ways and keep control of themselves (that is, not flirting and kissing everywhere outside), I won't raise a word against them.

Besides, real gay don't shout it out loud, I think. Most people who participate in gay-festivals and such, are probably just there for the kick of it.

[Tobbe]

~Hmm...would sneaking loads of testosterone into their food do the trick?

In short: No

In long: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Testosterone#Brain

[Xenon]

There already are 'gay' clinics around that have professional hypnotists to psychologically convice homosexual people they are straight. They aren't exactly used much though because most gay people are happy with their sexuality.

While I agree that the way gay people have sex is kind of disturbing, I don't think they should be changed. They are happy, so why shouldn't we be? Removing homosexuality from society is clearly a violation of human rights anyway.

[Hunchman801]

No, everyone is born Christian. Only later in life do people choose to stray from Jesus and worship satan instead. Atheists have the greatest "cover" of all, they insist they believe in no god yet most polls done and the latest research indicates that they are actually a different sect of Muslims.

Let's worship Allah then

[Tobbe]

No, everyone is born Christian. Only later in life do people choose to stray from Jesus and worship satan instead. Atheists have the greatest "cover" of all, they insist they believe in no god yet most polls done and the latest research indicates that they are actually a different sect of Muslims.

They're onto us...

[Hunchman801]

By the way, I followed some of the links on the FSTDT Top 100 and here's what I found:

Why is it that the vast majority of scientists on the planet disagree with you?

They don't want to admit that there is a creator. They hate God. Just like you.

Here is a brief overview of the tons of evidence supporting evolution:
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Nothing in the real world can be proved with absolute certainty. However, high degrees of certainty can be reached. In the case of evolution, we have huge amounts of data from diverse fields. Extensive evidence exists in all of the following different forms (Theobald 2004). Each new piece of evidence tests the rest.

The Creationist and the Evolutionist look at the same evidence and draw different conclusions. It's because of our different world view.

- All life shows a fundamental unity in the mechanisms of replication, heritability, catalysis, and metabolism.

- Evolution predicts that new structures are adapted from other structures that already exist, and thus similarity in structures should reflect evolutionary history rather than function. We see this frequently. For example, human hands, bat wings, horse legs, whale flippers, and mole forelimbs all have similar bone structure despite their different functions.

All things are similar in some ways because there was one designer. When you have one artist, you should expect to see a similar style in his works.

- Common descent predicts a nested hierarchy pattern, or groups within groups. We see just such an arrangement in a unique, consistent, well-defined hierarchy, the so-called tree of life.

- Different lines of evidence give the same arrangement of the tree of life. We get essentially the same results whether we look at morphological, biochemical, or genetic traits.

No evidence for this.

- Fossil animals fit in the same tree of life. We find several cases of transitional forms in the fossil record.

Transitional fossils are a joke. If animals were really evolving into one another, there would be many, many, transitional fossils. As it is, you can count so-called "Transitional Fossils" on one hand.

- The fossils appear in a chronological order, showing change consistent with common descent over hundreds of millions of years and inconsistent with sudden creation.

No, they do not. Please provide evidence for this.

- Atavisms sometimes occur. An atavism is the reappearance of a character present in a distant ancestor but lost in the organism's immediate ancestors. We only see atavisms consistent with organisms' evolutionary histories.

Variability within a kind is ok!

- Ontogeny (embryology and developmental biology) gives information about the historical pathway of an organism's evolution. For example, as embryos whales and many snakes develop hind limbs that are reabsorbed before birth.

Are you talking about that crap where inside the womb a fetus will look like different animals? If so, you need to catch up to what your Scientists have been saying in the last 30 years.

- The same principle applies on a molecular level. Humans share a large percentage of their genes, probably more than 70 percent, with a fruit fly or a nematode worm.

That's really dumb. We also share a large percentage of our genes with bananas. This is evidence for a common designer not common ancestry.

- Some nonfunctional DNA, such as certain transposons, pseudogenes, and endogenous viruses, show a pattern of inheritance indicating common ancestry.

We don't know enough about DNA to say that parts of it are "Junk DNA."

- Speciation has been observed.

I can't click the link, but I think I know what you're saying.
Species can develop different traits from other members in their kind. It's ok! God put variation into DNA.

The evidence is extensive and consistent, and it points unambiguously to evolution, including common descent, change over time, and adaptation influenced by natural selection. It would be preposterous to refer to these as anything other than facts.

Simply untrue.

Evolutionists have to resort to ridiculous things like evolving from slime, so that they can get away from their maker. They know that they've sinned. They hate God.

How can you debate with people like that? xD

[Tobbe]

I find it puzzling that fundamentalists often make the claim that atheists "hate god". If we were to hate god that would imply that we believe that it exists, when we don't. It's very hard to hate something that doesn't exist.

Evolutionists have to resort to ridiculous things like evolving from slime, so that they can get away from their maker. They know that they've sinned. They hate God.

What these guys don't realise is that, statistically, most Christians accept Evolution, and most of those who accept Evolution are religious. They certainly don't try to "get away from their maker" or "hate god", in any way.

It is in fact impossible to debate with these fundamentalists. Once they're out of plausible-sounding arguments they start spouting Bible verses at you, threaten you with eternity in hell, and accusing you of hating god.

[Zay-el]

I love fundies to bits and you know why? XD Because it's fun to confuse the HELL out of them! Anytime I encounter one, get into a futile argument, be accused of hating God, I baffle them with 3 simple facts of my life. It takes them half an hour just to decide which side I'm on.

[Holy Crap]

Oh these quotes are great...

I often debate with evolutionists because I believe that they are narrow mindedly and dogmatically accepting evolution without questioning it.

[iHeckler9]

Er...yeah.
I agree that homosexuality is pretty wrong, but I think that people should also have a free will, no matter how disgusting it is.