Rayman 3 scores

[MandM81]

Really cool video. It's a clever way to avoid these curved shots at the Grim Keeper that so often have ruined my combo. I will immediately open a new game, play HH and take a break from LS.

[sfn42]

I have to give a lot of credit to capher, a German player of the old times. He discovered this method to hit the Grim Keeper in 2004 and it's helped me a lot since then. Every time I comboed the Green Gem for 6000 points I used it.

[Cut]

@Xenon: I try to get 4 hits. This brings 91000 points after part 5, and this is enough. I think, you can either get 100799/1199 when you only reach 3 hits, but if you want to do so, EVERYTHING must be worked perfectly (That means 44750 points after part 3 and 65800 points after part 5 AND you have to combo the green gem at Razoff' for 3000), then you would have 88300 points after part 5 and THIS is enough for 100799/1199 because it's possible to get 14500 points before you kill Razoff in part 6 (88300+14500=102800, so enough). And how the heck is it possible to reach up to 6 hits with a Razoff-Glitch?

[MandM81]

sfn: It's bloody working. Everything is going smooth now

Cut: How many times have you got the double glitch (three hits)?

[Cut]

Only the time, when I got 90312, but I had it even more often in the past, but when it happened, I did some mistakes with the gems before. But now I've got a good tactic.

33/100 trys = 2 hits
5/100 trys = 3 hits
2/100 trys = curt 4 hits
1/100 trys = 4 hits

So I would see that.

[Xenon]

I don't think six hits is possible either but I was being hypothetical. You can get 100799 by hitting Razoff four times but it's far from easy... I consider myself extremely lucky having triggered the glitch twice in 50 attempts (4/100) - most players here have to make 100 or more restarts. If you plan to get the maximum score in TBOM don't expect an easy ride.

[Cut]

I never said, that it's easy, but not as hard as you think for me.

Part 1: No comment.
Part 2: Island-Combo, no big challenge, 5 restarts, and it's done.
Part 3: The Horrible Combo is just practise, the green gem promises hard work but it's madeable.
Part 4: No real challenges.
Part 5: Quadruple-Glitch, what to say? I'm working^^
Part 6: Only the 1200-combo at the end is hard, the rest just practise!

[MandM81]

Only the time, when I got 90312, but I had it even more often in the past, but when it happened, I did some mistakes with the gems before. But now I've got a good tactic.

33/100 trys = 2 hits
5/100 trys = 3 hits
2/100 trys = curt 4 hits
1/100 trys = 4 hits

So I would see that.

I have no idea what this means. Have you actually got the results above or are you trying to predict a random statistical outcome? Most likely the quadruple glitch (four hits) is never going to happen even if you played a million times.

[sfn42]

It is naive to assume that you'll get the quadruple conversion after 100 attempts. How many times have you played the Razoff part and how many times have you made the glitch work? I believe the answer to the first question is more than 100 and the answer to the second question is definitely zero. Just because you think you almost got it once, doesn't mean you'll get it.

And part 6 is no piece of cake, either. A lot of focus is required to play a precise game there. I consider myself pretty skilled in hitting Razoff there but I have some troubles every time I play this part because it doesn't allow a single mistake.

[Xenon]

I never said, that it's easy, but not as hard as you think for me.

Part 1: No comment.
Part 2: Island-Combo, no big challenge, 5 restarts, and it's done.
Part 3: The Horrible Combo is just practise, the green gem promises hard work but it's madeable.
Part 4: No real challenges.
Part 5: Quadruple-Glitch, what to say? I'm working^^
Part 6: Only the 1200-combo at the end is hard, the rest just practise!

My problem with this post is you speak out of tongue. You have no experience. It's ignorant that you make assertions like "The Horrible Combo is just practice", and the way you claim that part 6 is easy with practice besides the 1200 point combo. I have played part 6 before and I'm fully aware it's bloody difficult. Having to hit Razoff an additional three times without knocking him off is no walk in the park. If you haven't already played TBOM and reached an amazing score, it's totally overseas for you to explain to us how easy you find its combos.

[Da Holy raywiz !]

I fucked up in TTOTL , I can get 77012 but I got 76995

[Cut]

This is a statistical outcome. I mean with this, that I would try the GLITCH 100 times for a quadruple glitch. There are a lot of other mistakes, which can be a restart. So I would see 100 Glitch-Trys = 400-500 restarts.

[sfn42]

Did you ever manage the quadruple conversion? No. Therefore you can't just put up any statistics about its frequency. As Xenon said, assumptions like that are just ignorant, nothing more.

[MandM81]

@All: After I did this SBTC-stuff, I will try to get the following scores:

FC: 42.000
CF: 109.759/89
BOM: 101.199
LS: 43.700
HH: 109.009

The score you list for LS, and for BOM for that matter, is not serious. It is quite annoying having you announcing these wild scores while we are trying to discuss the game in a serious way. And it is disrespectful to those who have put hours and hours into the game to develop new ways of scoring by finding new combos.

My guess is that you will legitimize the score in LS by announcing a glitch that will give you more points. It's not going to happen. I remember a guy, Nekrophil, who came up with some outrageous glitches to boost the maximum scores in TOTL and CF. And he actually claimed to have scored 43.000+ points in LS too by using the extended Shoe Combo. Anyway, the thing is, he could never document any of it and no-one believed his wild tales.

As for BOM, like Xenon said, you need to show some respect to those who actually play the level. When I got 100.799 points I used a double glitch (three hits) in part 5. I sucked out every points in parts 1 - 5 in order to be able to play part 6 for enough points. And I can tell you, it's not easy to play parts 1 - 5 perfectly. Part 6 is no walk in the park either. I played for a very long time to learn to play the ball without Razoff falling off at every other hit.

If you want to get 101.199 points you have to hit Razoff six times. I replayed BOM with that purpose and though playing for a few months, I never got it. Sometimes when Razoff had fallen off the ball I would continue with the next can to practise. On two such occasions, playing for fun, I actually hit Razoff five times and he didn't fall off. That's why I think it might be possible to hit him six times, though I have never done it. To claim BOM is easy apart from the six hits is down right disrespectful.

Where you can help out is to discover new combos. It gives respect among players if you can find some new way of combining the gems, Hoodlums, Matuvus, Lums... such that they give more combo points. So I urge you to enjoy the game instead of chasing imaginary glitches that no-one believes in anyway.

[DTUCC]

I didn't really plan to post again here, but reading your recent posts during the last few weeks, Cut, really made me think, and now it really makes me feel sick.

I never said, that it's easy, but not as hard as you think for me.

Part 1: No comment.
Part 2: Island-Combo, no big challenge, 5 restarts, and it's done.
Part 3: The Horrible Combo is just practise, the green gem promises hard work but it's madeable.
Part 4: No real challenges.
Part 5: Quadruple-Glitch, what to say? I'm working^^
Part 6: Only the 1200-combo at the end is hard, the rest just practise!

At first I thought like:

OK, that's... arrogant... But it's possible. You recently finished Part 1 + 2 of SBTC within 2 days. I did that like 3 days before you and well... That deserves a lot of respect definitely as Part 2 isn't really easy.
Then again, I thought that I managed my 100.799 run of BOM within 3 or 4 days, so it's possible as well. But now I see you strugling at the Green Gem in part 3 of SBTC. I also read Mandm's, sfn's and Xenon's recent posts, and I start to realize how much you underestimate these killer-levels.
That green gem should give you an idea of how difficult not only SBTC is, but BOM as well and all the other levels you are planning to play.

@All: After I did this SBTC-stuff, I will try to get the following scores:

FC: 42.000
CF: 109.759/89
BOM: 101.199
LS: 43.700
HH: 109.009

You list 5 goals there, each of them big in it's own way, all of them offering a very different level in difficulty. While you can finish CF within like... well, let's say a week, it takes forever to manage BOM and LS perfectly.
Only because you showed some good skills for SBTC (which without a doubt also involved luck!) doesn't mean you'll get away with LS and BOM as well.
Seriously, how long did it take you to get those 43.100 in LS? Keep in mind, that you need to get the perfect shoe race again.
BOM can involve like a 100 restarts just because the Hoodlum in part 3 won't survive if you get unlucky. And then again you have to get lucky with Razoff which seriously will involve plenty restarts if you don't get as insanely lucky as I did.

I'm pretty convinced that you're going to realize all that when you're finally playing one of these levels. And I seriously hope that BOM will cause you some problems just to make you see the ignorance of what you said...
Aww, well... That's all I have to say about that...

EDIT:

Ah, well, there's one thing again I'd like to point out...

Anyone there remember the glitch in SBTC part 1 I discovered? After you've beaten all the enemies and the ship stands still, the powerups won't run out anymore. When flying really high, out of the level, you can see a green bar which is really far away. When I restarted playing 2 weeks ago, the first thing I did was flying there. It takes like 15 minutes to go there and I think it's pretty interesting what I found there.
I'm not sure whether I should say now, what you can find there, but I am planning to make a video of that just so that no one of you has to go through all this.
So if there are some people that are interested in this, I'll take the time to do this. However, notice that you might not find it as interesting as I do and that you might get disappointed by the video. I just want to know if there are some people that are curious about that and I thought I'd point that out right here, where everyone will read it.

Please excuse that this is NOT about points. I just wanted to figure that out before starting to play for points, because this takes you away a bit from the game and gets you head empty from all that points-stuff and this omg-I-have-to-do-everything-perfectly-game :D

[MandM81]

It would be really cool with a video. Please post it here when you have made it.

I have never heard of this glitch, so I will look forward to that, also to get away from the game a little bit.

[Cut]

@AjaX: mostwanted told me a trick, how I can let the first Hoodlum in BOM part 3 overlive, so this wouldn't be the biggest problem. The rest, okay, a Quadruple-Glitch needs much of luck but practise too. And I found a nice tactic, which can make it much easier FOR ME to get this 4 hits. I learned this when I got 90312 points, and I shot a 4th fist, but it would had hit Razoff too late, but this happens after 15 trys (glitch, not restarts), so I would see a good chance for me, triggering a quadruple-glitch. You will see it, my dear CC

[PluMGMK]

Yes, please post a video of the Summit thing. I would look myself but I lost both my copies of Rayman 3 and am unable/too lazy to find them.

[sfn42]

@Cut: Did you even read our posts?

[DTUCC]

@AjaX: mostwanted told me a trick, how I can let the first Hoodlum in BOM part 3 overlive, so this wouldn't be the biggest problem. The rest, okay, a Quadruple-Glitch needs much of luck but practise too. And I found a nice tactic, which can make it much easier FOR ME to get this 4 hits. I learned this when I got 90312 points, and I shot a 4th fist, but it would had hit Razoff too late, but this happens after 15 trys (glitch, not restarts), so I would see a good chance for me, triggering a quadruple-glitch. You will see it, my dear CC 8)

Yeah, I'm really looking forward to see you getting as angry with Razoff as you're getting with the green gem in SBTC right now :P

@Cut: Did you even read our posts?

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