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[Haruka]

SPORE Hero for Wii and SPORE Hero Arena for DS will come this Autum according to what I know from surroundings. I checked the DS version video but it didn't catched me quite attention, now the Wii version I think it's going to be a good game.

[Joshua822]

Legend of zelda > Jak

What...?

Uncharted 2 is better than Jak 4.

Uncharted 2 > this.

Who cares ? THIS IS JAK 4, THE SEQUEL TO ONE OF THE BEST VIDEO GAME SERIES EVER MADE !

What...?

Uncharted 2 is better than Jak 4.

Oh, common !

There hasn't been a new Jak and Daxter game in ages. Now there's coming one, and we, as Jak fans are very happy about that. Now what do fans of other series do ? Break us down for no fuckin' reason. So what if Uncharted or Zelda is better ACCORDING TO YOU ? We have waited in hope for this moment for years, and now, if we're happy, because our dream is coming true, Mr. PS3 fanbitch and Mr. Funbreaker4321 have to try to break our fun.

Just let fans enjoy their series without being brought down. Is that to much to fuckin' ask ?

#include <libscrew>

int main()
{
char answer[3];
fgets ( answer, 3, post_forum_raymanpc_spiraldoor_rayman4321 );
if ( answer == "YES" )
screw_hard ( &spiraldoor, &Rayman4321 );

return 0;
}

[Rsandee]

Legend of zelda > Jak

What...?

Uncharted 2 is better than Jak 4.

Uncharted 2 > this.

Who cares ? THIS IS JAK 4, THE SEQUEL TO ONE OF THE BEST VIDEO GAME SERIES EVER MADE !

What...?

Uncharted 2 is better than Jak 4.

I like Jak games too, but that's it..... and maybe the sequel will be something like RRR, the company will mess it up!!
(Because there hasn't been a Jak game in ages)
Oh, common !

There hasn't been a new Jak and Daxter game in ages. Now there's coming one, and we, as Jak fans are very happy about that. Now what do fans of other series do ? Break us down for no fuckin' reason. So what if Uncharted or Zelda is better ACCORDING TO YOU ? We have waited in hope for this moment for years, and now, if we're happy, because our dream is coming true, Mr. PS3 fanbitch and Mr. Funbreaker4321 have to try to break our fun.

Just let fans enjoy their series without being brought down. Is that to much to fuckin' ask ?

#include <libscrew>

int main()
{
char answer[3];
fgets ( answer, 3, post_forum_raymanpc_spiraldoor_rayman4321 );
if ( answer == "YES" )
screw_hard ( &spiraldoor, &Rayman4321 );

return 0;
}

[spiraldoor]

How could you know that?

By watching trailers, seeing screenshots and reading previews for both games, and by playing the previous games in both series, and by knowing that Jak 4 is going to be crippled by the limitations of last-gen hardware. That's how.

Oh, common !

There hasn't been a new Jak and Daxter game in ages. Now there's coming one, and we, as Jak fans are very happy about that. Now what do fans of other series do ? Break us down for no fuckin' reason. So what if Uncharted or Zelda is better ACCORDING TO YOU ? We have waited in hope for this moment for years, and now, if we're happy, because our dream is coming true, Mr. PS3 fanbitch and Mr. Funbreaker4321 have to try to break our fun.

Just let fans enjoy their series without being brought down. Is that to much to fuckin' ask ?

Your poor English and unprovoked rage make that post unintentionally hilarious.

Castlevania lords of shadow (PS3 and XBOX360)
The pics look GREAT!!!

And it's being made by Hideo Kojima, which means instant epic win!

[Cairnie]

I'm no Jak fan either but just let the fans celebrate already.

[PluMGMK]

I'm looking forward to Rayman 1.5: Revenge of the Dark. More details here:
https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/tehrune ... .php?t=267

[Joshua822]

By watching trailers, seeing screenshots and reading previews for both games and by knowing that Jak 4 is going to be crippled by the limitations of last-gen hardware. That's how.

Let me take a guess, Jak 4 doesn't have next gen, super realistic graphics, so it should be broken down ? Yeah, great reasoning.

and by playing the previous games in both series,

The previous Jak games would say absolutely nothing about the quality of Jak and Daxter 4 : The last frontier.

Do you dislike the games ? Be my guest. It's your opinion. And i'm not going to criticize you for having one.

and by knowing that Jak 4 is going to be crippled by the limitations of last-gen hardware.

The only limitation it would have is that it wouldn't have super realistic, high definition graphics. But i don't mind that. I'm a Jak fan, i just want a worthy sequel to the old Jak games, that has the same fun and atmosphere as the older ones, and i want it on a console i can afford. Not to mention it's a platformer, and in that genre super realistic graphbics aren't a must.

Your poor English and unprovoked rage make that post unintentionally hilarious.

Yeah, you certainly are a great thinker. I'm from Belgium, where the native languages are Dutch, French and German. I live in the Dutch region. My Dutch is flawless. My French, German, and English aren't / won't be, because they aren't my native languages. But then again, i at least took the trouble to learn those languages, and i'm already glad that i can understand those a bit. But yeah, if you are going to criticize people for that, you're just being an impossible person.

But, yeah, this is just a waste of time, discussing with a fanboy.
.

[spiraldoor]

Let me take a guess, Jak 4 doesn't have next gen, super realistic graphics, so it should be broken down ? Yeah, great reasoning.

I don't know what you think 'broken down' means, but...no. 'No' is the answer to that.

~Even though you seem to have concluded that it was 'yes'...

The previous Jak games would say absolutely nothing about the quality of Jak and Daxter 4 : The last frontier.

They say quite a lot, actually. The same developers working on the same series with the same hardware. Hell, how could they not say something about its quality?!

Do you dislike the games ? Be my guest. It's your opinion. And i'm not going to criticize you for having one.

I quite like them, actually. I just prefer the Uncharted games. I never said or implied that there was anything wrong with the Jak games, did I?

The only limitation it would have is that it wouldn't have super realistic, high definition graphics.

You seem to be under the impression that the only difference between last- and current-gen games is the graphics. You are so wrong.

But i don't mind that. I'm a Jak fan, i just want a worthy sequel to the old Jak games, that has the same fun and atmosphere as the older ones, and i want it on a console i can afford. Not to mention it's a platformer, and in that genre super realistic graphbics aren't a must.

Why do you always speak of "super realistic graphics" when what you actually mean is "good graphics"? I seem to remember having this discussion somewhere before...

Great graphics =/= Realistic graphics

You need to understand that. If Jak comes to current-gen systems, the graphics will be way better, but that doesn't necessarily mean they'll be realistic.

Your poor English and unprovoked rage make that post unintentionally hilarious.

Yeah, you certainly are a great thinker. I'm from Belgium, where the native languages are Dutch, French and German. I live in the Dutch region. My Dutch is flawless. My French, German, and English aren't / won't be, because they aren't my native languages. But then again, i at least took the trouble to learn those languages, and i'm already glad that i can understand those a bit. But yeah, if you are going to criticize people for that, you're just being an impossible person.

What.

You latch onto the "poor English" part of my post and whine about it for an entire paragraph, but you completely ignore the "unprovoked rage" part, which was much more relevant.

But, yeah, this is just a waste of time, discussing with a fanboy.

You are a raging Jak & Daxter fanboy.

[Joshua822]

I don't know what you think 'broken down' means, but...no. 'No' is the answer to that.

~Even though you seem to have concluded that it was 'yes'...

Well, why then ?

They say quite a lot, actually. The same developers working on the same series with the same hardware. Hell, how could they not say something about its quality?!

First of all, Jak 4 is being developed by High Impact Games, not Naughty Dog. Second of all, same developer doesn't always mean same quality. Especially in a series, good game developers learn from their mistakes.

Second of all, the hardware doesn't say anything at all about the quality of the game, hardware just runs software,. Unless we're talking graphics.

I quite like them, actually. I just prefer the Uncharted games. I never said or implied that there was anything wrong with the Jak games, did I?

Uhm, yes, i find that a fun breaker, what's the point, when i and Holy Crap we're talking about Jak 4, to come in and say " Hey, Uncharted 2 is better then this ". That just ruins the fun for us fans.

You seem to be under the impression that the only difference between last- and current-gen games is the graphics. You are so wrong.

No. I'm not ignorant. I know how the Wii has innovated, and how Microsoft is ready to take the Wii on with Project Natal. And the Playstation 3 also has a technology like this, i think. But if we're talking Playstation, i just, like many other people can't afford it. And if you had read my whole argument, you would have known that. I quote myself :

and i want it on a console i can afford.

Why do you always speak of "super realistic graphics" when what you actually mean is "good graphics"? I seem to remember having this discussion somewhere before...

Great graphics =/= Realistic graphics

You need to understand that. If Jak comes to current-gen systems, the graphics will be way better, but that doesn't necessarily mean they'll be realistic.

What does it mean, then ? And what's wrong with the graphics of the game now anyway ? They're good if you ask me.

You latch onto the "poor English" part of my post and whine about it for an entire paragraph, but you completely ignore the "unprovoked rage" part, which was much more relevant.

Why should i ? I already explained why i'm angry about those posts.

You are a raging Jak & Daxter fanboy.

No, i'm not, actually, i am angry because you find the need to bring down my fun of a new Jak game, not because you like Uncharted better then Jak games.

I won't be responding to this anymore, though, since this discussion just ruins the fun for everybody here.

[spiraldoor]

Well, why then ?

You're not making sense.

You asked me if I thought Jak 4 should be "broken down" because it "doesn't have next gen, super realistic graphics".

I replied by telling you that I did not think this. That is all.

First of all, Jak 4 is being developed by High Impact Games, not Naughty Dog.

I didn't know that the development of Jak 4 was being outsourced to an inferior studio because Naughty Dog were too busy working on Uncharted 2 (though this explains why you were so touchy about it...)

Second of all, same developer doesn't always mean same quality. Especially in a series, good game developers learn from their mistakes.

Okay.

So High Impact Games will learn from the mistakes they made on Ratchet & Clank: Size Matters and Secret Agent Clank, and Naughty Dog will learn from the mistakes they made on Keef the Thief, Rings of Power, Way of the Warrior, Crash Bandicoot, Crash Bandicoot 2: Cortex Strikes Back, Crash Bandicoot 3: Warped, Crash Team Racing, Jak & Daxter: The Precursor Legacy, Jak II, Jak 3, Jak X: Combat Racing, and Uncharted: Drake's Fortune.

Judging by this, do you really think it's reasonable to assume that Jak 4 will be better than Uncharted 2?

Second of all, the hardware doesn't say anything at all about the quality of the game, hardware just runs software,. Unless we're talking graphics.

Bullshit. EVERYTHING in a game is totally dependent on the hardware. The graphics, the sound quality, the art direction, the physics, the engine, the number of freaking buttons on the controller, the number of characters on-screen at once, the number of FMV sequences, the various peripherals available for the system...

Uhm, yes, i find that a fun breaker, what's the point, when i and Holy Crap we're talking about Jak 4, to come in and say " Hey, Uncharted 2 is better then this ". That just ruins the fun for us fans.

If someone saying that one unreleased game is better than another unreleased game actually put you in a bad mood, then maybe you need to stop taking this whole internet business so seriously.

No. I'm not ignorant. I know how the Wii has innovated, and how Microsoft is ready to take the Wii on with Project Natal. And the Playstation 3 also has a technology like this, i think. But if we're talking Playstation, i just, like many other people can't afford it. And if you had read my whole argument, you would have known that. I quote myself :

and i want it on a console i can afford.

The PlayStation Wand is an improved rip-off of the Wii's controller, and Natal is an improved rip-off of the PS2's EyeToy and the PS3's PlayStation Eye.

I think that these so-called "innovations" are a load of shit, but I'm not troubled as long as I don't have to deal with them on my own console (this is irrelevant; I'm not quite sure why you brought it up).

And Jak 4 being on a "console you can afford" doesn't make it better than Uncharted 2. The opposite, if anything.

What does it mean, then ? And what's wrong with the graphics of the game now anyway ? They're good if you ask me.

It means that they would make the graphics better, but not that they would make them more realistic to the point that they would be detrimental to the experience of the game which is obviously set in a more cartoon-ish world.

And no, PS2 graphics really are quite poor by modern standards. Have you ever seen a PS3 or Xbox 360 game?

Why should i ? I already explained why i'm angry about those posts.

Your last two posts were full of unprovoked rage, that's all.

No, i'm not, actually, i am angry because you find the need to bring down my fun of a new Jak game, not because you like Uncharted better then Jak games.

If I "found the need" to "bring down the fun" of your new Jak game, then I would have said it was terrible and pointed out things that were wrong with it or something. I didn't. All I said was that I thought Uncharted 2 was a better game.

I won't be responding to this anymore, though, since this discussion just ruins the fun for everybody here.

It's not ruining the fun for "everybody", it's just ruining the fun for you. I'm still not quite sure why you were so deeply offended when I suggested that a game was better than another game, but sure, feel free to leave the thread rather that think of a good response to this, thus making the last ten minutes of my life a waste of time.

[Joshua822]

It's not ruining the fun for "everybody", it's just ruining the fun for you. I'm still not quite sure why you were so deeply offended when I suggested that a game was better than another game, but sure, feel free to leave the thread rather that think of a good response to this, thus making the last ten minutes of my life a waste of time.

Want to debate ? Fine, we'll debate.

You're not making sense.

You asked me if I thought Jak 4 should be "broken down" because it "doesn't have next gen, super realistic graphics".

I replied by telling you that I did not think this. That is all.

You're not understanding my posts. What i am trying to ask you, is why, judging by trailers, Jak 4 is so deeply inferior to Uncharted 2.

But let's drop this one. Since i don't want a discussion of Jak 4 vs. Uncharted 2, since this is simply a topic that is based of arguments.

I didn't know that the development of Jak 4 was being outsourced to an inferior studio because Naughty Dog were too busy working on Uncharted 2 (though this explains why you were so touchy about it...)

You do know that High Impact Games is known ( well, at least i read that ) to be one of the best studios when it comes to PSP games, right ?

Although i don't have enough time reading all those game reviews from the games of the two studio's, so i can't judge really well here, i'm quite sure High Impact Games won't do a bad job here.

And, in one of the links i posted earlier, the blogpost, the one who played the game was actually quite positive about it. So i don't think it will be that a bad game.

So High Impact Games will learn from the mistakes they made on Ratchet & Clank: Size Matters and Secret Agent Clank, and Naughty Dog will learn from the mistakes they made on Keef the Thief, Rings of Power, Way of the Warrior, Crash Bandicoot, Crash Bandicoot 2: Cortex Strikes Back, Crash Bandicoot 3: Warped, Crash Team Racing, Jak & Daxter: The Precursor Legacy, Jak II, Jak 3, Jak X: Combat Racing, and Uncharted: Drake's Fortune.

Judging by this, do you really think it's reasonable to assume that Jak 4 will be better than Uncharted 2?

I said that a smart / good developer would do so. I didn't say it is always like that in practice.

I must say, Naughty Dog learned from their faults from Jak 2 in Jak 3. For example, the secrets, in Jak 2 this was pretty confusing, in Jak 3 it was a straightforward secret shop.

And i am not even trying to say that Jak 4 will be better then Uncharted 2. And i already said why in this post.

Bullshit. EVERYTHING in a game is totally dependent on the hardware. The graphics, the sound quality, the art direction, the physics, the engine, the number of freaking buttons on the controller, the number of characters on-screen at once, the number of FMV sequences, the various peripherals available for the system...

You just don't get it do you ? You judge the quality of the game, with the capabilities of the hardware in mind. The game needs to utilize everything the hardware has to offer. Jak 4 is utilizing the PS2's capabilities great.

If someone saying that one unreleased game is better than another unreleased game actually put you in a bad mood, then maybe you need to stop taking this whole internet business so seriously.

Read my first posts will you ? And even on the internet, you're talking with people most of the time you know.

The PlayStation Wand is an improved rip-off of the Wii's controller, and Natal is an improved rip-off of the PS2's EyeToy and the PS3's PlayStation Eye.

I think that these so-called "innovations" are a load of shit, but I'm not troubled as long as I don't have to deal with them on my own console (this is irrelevant; I'm not quite sure why you brought it up).

Because these are the innovations of the current generation of consoles. Go against it, but then you're actually proving me right. I quote you :

You seem to be under the impression that the only difference between last- and current-gen games is the graphics. You are so wrong.

And Jak 4 being on a "console you can afford" doesn't make it better than Uncharted 2. The opposite, if anything.

Actually, it does, because Uncharted 2 is on a console i can't afford, i can't actually play the game, thus making Jak 4 better for ME

It means that they would make the graphics better, but not that they would make them more realistic to the point that they would be detrimental to the experience of the game which is obviously set in a more cartoon-ish world.

I ask you, HOW SHOULD THEY IMPROVE THE GRAPHICS ? I'M ASKING YOU THIS WHOLE TIME, IF IT SHOULDN'T BE MORE REALISTIC, THEN HOW SHOULD IT BE BETTER ?

Let's be honest, when referring to " good graphics " we most of the time refer to realistic graphics. All right, in the good old days, you could say, more colors, and things like that. But now, with 32 bit colors at high definition, it's mostly reffering to realism.

Your last two posts were full of unprovoked rage, that's all.

Actually, my last two posts where made since we where debating. Now i'm not mad, i'm just debating that fans of other series shouldn't ruin the fun for fans of a series.

If I "found the need" to "bring down the fun" of your new Jak game, then I would have said it was terrible and pointed out things that were wrong with it or something. I didn't. All I said was that I thought Uncharted 2 was a better game.

You and Rayman4321 already broke down Jak 4, and without any good reason too. You should think about how other people will feel about your posts, and not only how you feel about them.

It's not ruining the fun for "everybody", it's just ruining the fun for you. I'm still not quite sure why you were so deeply offended when I suggested that a game was better than another game, but sure, feel free to leave the thread rather that think of a good response to this, thus making the last ten minutes of my life a waste of time.

I'm not offended. It just boils my piss that some people really always need to push their favorite series to the foreground, and ruin the fun for fans of other series.

[Holy Crap]

Spiral, you are little more than a walking arguement.

[Haruka]

I never played Jak and Daxter games so I can't give my oppinion.

[Joshua822]

I never played Jak and Daxter games so I can't give my oppinion.

Give them a go, i would say. Rent them, and play them. Preferably in chronological order ( start with Jak And Daxter : The precursor Legacy ) and then play Jak 2 : Renegade, and Jak 3. Though i should note that Jak and Daxter : The Precursor Legacy isn't the game why i fell in love with the Jak and Daxter series, and you will probably also don't. But give them all a go, in the right oder.)

I just bought Jak 3 second hand, because of Holy Crap being so happy about those series, and after two hours of playing i was in love with the game


.

[Haruka]

Thanks for the suggestion.

[Rsandee]

I'm looking forward to Rayman 1.5: Revenge of the Dark. More details here:
https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/tehrune ... .php?t=267

Awesome, the landscape pics look great..... but how will Rayman look in this one? 0_o

[soxfan2006]

I think i have a new favourite pointless argument on an internet forum.

[spiraldoor]

Want to debate ?

No.

Fine, we'll debate.

Ok.

You're not understanding my posts. What i am trying to ask you, is why, judging by trailers, Jak 4 is so deeply inferior to Uncharted 2.

But let's drop this one. Since i don't want a discussion of Jak 4 vs. Uncharted 2, since this is simply a topic that is based of arguments.

I never, ever said that it was "deeply inferior". All I said was that Uncharted 2 was better. How many more times am I going to have to say this?

You do know that High Impact Games is known ( well, at least i read that ) to be one of the best studios when it comes to PSP games, right ?

Although i don't have enough time reading all those game reviews from the games of the two studio's, so i can't judge really well here, i'm quite sure High Impact Games won't do a bad job here.

And, in one of the links i posted earlier, the blogpost, the one who played the game was actually quite positive about it. So i don't think it will be that a bad game.

Naughty Dog > High Impact Games

That's all I said.

I said that a smart / good developer would do so. I didn't say it is always like that in practice.

I must say, Naughty Dog learned from their faults from Jak 2 in Jak 3. For example, the secrets, in Jak 2 this was pretty confusing, in Jak 3 it was a straightforward secret shop.

And i am not even trying to say that Jak 4 will be better then Uncharted 2. And i already said why in this post.

Then what do you have against me saying that Uncharted 2 is better?

You just don't get it do you ? You judge the quality of the game, with the capabilities of the hardware in mind. The game needs to utilize everything the hardware has to offer. Jak 4 is utilizing the PS2's capabilities great.

And Uncharted 2 is utilising the PS3's capabilities great. Your point?

~You seem to have completely ignored what I said about every single aspect of a game depending totally on the hardware. No matter

Read my first posts will you ? And even on the internet, you're talking with people most of the time you know.

I DID read your first posts! You KNOW I did, because I quoted it and responded directly to it! Why the hell are you telling me to read it when you know that I already did?!

Because these are the innovations of the current generation of consoles. Go against it, but then you're actually proving me right. I quote you :

You seem to be under the impression that the only difference between last- and current-gen games is the graphics. You are so wrong.

And Jak 4 being on a "console you can afford" doesn't make it better than Uncharted 2. The opposite, if anything.

Actually, it does, because Uncharted 2 is on a console i can't afford, i can't actually play the game, thus making Jak 4 better for ME

I never said that Uncharted 2 was better than Jak 4 for you. I just said that it was better.

~Being on a console that you can afford doesn't make the game "better for you" anyway. It just means that you can get it without buying a new console. The current-gen "innovations" are a load of unnecessary shit that we'd be better off without.

I ask you, HOW SHOULD THEY IMPROVE THE GRAPHICS ? I'M ASKING YOU THIS WHOLE TIME, IF IT SHOULDN'T BE MORE REALISTIC, THEN HOW SHOULD IT BE BETTER ?

By increasing the number of polygons in the models and improving the the resolution of the textures and shit. You're being ridiculous with your anti-graphical-improvement crusade.

Let's be honest, when referring to " good graphics " we most of the time refer to realistic graphics. All right, in the good old days, you could say, more colors, and things like that. But now, with 32 bit colors at high definition, it's mostly reffering to realism.

Again, what do you have against good graphics?

Actually, my last two posts where made since we where debating. Now i'm not mad, i'm just debating that fans of other series shouldn't ruin the fun for fans of a series.

I have said several times already that I am not trying to "ruin the fun" for you. Please stop accusing me of this. If you got offended by an inoffensive post, that's your problem, not mine.

You and Rayman4321 already broke down Jak 4, and without any good reason too. You should think about how other people will feel about your posts, and not only how you feel about them.

Why are you only addressing me instead of him? And why does saying that Uncharted 2 is better than Jak 4 hurt your feelings?

I'm not offended. It just boils my piss that some people really always need to push their favorite series to the foreground, and ruin the fun for fans of other series.

Uncharted isn't my favourite series and I wasn't ruining the fun for fans of Jak.

"It boils my piss"...lal.

[Joshua822]

I will continue this argument with Spiraldoor trough PM's. I hope we didn't ruin the topic to much for you all already.

[Rsandee]

You and Rayman4321 already broke down Jak 4, and without any good reason too. You should think about how other people will feel about your posts, and not only how you feel about them.

Big deal, it's an GAME