Rayman 3 scores

[DTUCC]

Lashing out at you and DTUCC was not a sudden decision. It all started with the argument you two had a while ago. I think you both were behaving quite arrogantly back then. You, MandM, emphazised how much you had done for the game, how many videos you provided, how many solutions you wrote, how you developed the game to a new level. The way you said it and didn't stop saying it, was arrogant in my opinion. DTUCC on the other hand talked as if he was the messias of Rayman 3, who brings openness back to the game and reveals all the combos - in an equally arrogant fashion. That was the first time I felt that the first and second place in the HoF had gone to both of your heads. I stayed quiet back then, for various reasons which are not important right now. They were several other occassions when I was close to writing such a harsh critique (for instance when you were talking about TSF as if it had no importance whatsoever or when DTUCC didn't answer my questions on TSF). This time it was enough and I decided to just write what I thought. I admit I was a little unfair to you because most of my blame goes to DTUCC who has been ultra-cryptic and entirely unhelpful recently, especially when you consider the way he preached openness when you had your argument back then.

back then I considered MandM being the arrogant guy who wants to hold back his combos in order to stay in first place. as you said before, if one keeps his combos to stay first, athers have to do as well.

this time, my reason is a very different one. in our recent argument MandM told me that he had planned to do a complete solution for FC, every single combo filmed on camera and ready to be watched on youtube.
That's what I'm planning as well. I don't want to present a solution for FC which I'm going to improve by 1000 points again. i want to reveal a full solution for FC, which will provide the possibility for all players to reach the score I have.

However, think about the situation some weeks ago in TSF. You improved your FC score to something around 45.300 and predicted "I'm going to film my new combo as soon as I'm willing to, but for now I'm fed up with FC and I wanna play another level first".
I'm doing quite the same right now. SBTC part 3 took me a week last time. As I want to reach a higher score this time, I expect it to take more time. But not forever.
You know my style of playing rayman 3. Quite fast, right? What happens when I keep failing on making an improvement? I switch the level as I know that it takes me a few hours to get back to part 3 again.

I have quite another reason for not playing FC. It's mostwanted's combo. Or probably the whole part 3. I don't want to go through that painful part like 3 additional times. Not for every single combo I have. As I know that the matuvus in part 2 can be taken for 1250 in combo, I want to find out HOW before replaying FC.

The thing people have to remember is smaller "big" scorers such as mostwanted and Jona (and admittedly, myself) rely somewhat on solutions or hints due to motivational purposes. To keep important combos concealed from us seems ridiculous as we don't even pose as threats.

I actually belonged to that group of players two years ago. And I know how you guys rely on us.
Anyway, may people like me and MandM not at least have the honour to reach the maximum score (or let's say 46K) in FC at first?
That's all I want. And I told you two times already.

[MandM81]

However, I have the impression that you don't even consider what I'm writing about. Messages like "You do seem very angry at the moment though, so I'll put everything down to that." or "And when the answer is not to your satisfaction, you get angry and call us names."

I can say the same thing to you. I have told you many times I have revealed everything to you, and yet you claim over and over I hold back something. Anyway, I don't think it's fair to say I don't take your writing serious. I have commented every point in my replies on page 100. I didn't conveniently single out one point in your message.

Lashing out at you and DTUCC was not a sudden decision. It all started with the argument you two had a while ago. I think you both were behaving quite arrogantly back then. You, MandM, emphazised how much you had done for the game, how many videos you provided, how many solutions you wrote, how you developed the game to a new level. The way you said it and didn't stop saying it, was arrogant in my opinion.

I think I have a right to defend myself when being accused of not revealing my combos. And my defence is the history I have referred to many times now, namely revealing my combos in the walkthroughs. If that defence is arrogant, well, I apologize.

I've explained several times why I'm not playing FC. I have nothing to win in that level.

Why don't you look at room 3 and get the Tribelle Combo? That together with the fourth Matuvu in part 3 will give you more than 46k points. I can't help you with that combo yet. I have an idea how I will play, but I don't know if it will work.

You and DTUCC were talking about 3 or whatever ways to get past 46000. I don't even know one of them.

I was referring to the fourth Matuvu in part 3 and maybe the Tribelle Combo (that was my guess, yes, nothing but a guess, maybe that's why you felt it was vague or cryptic?).

The only improvements out there for me are the red gem in part 3, getting all the piggy banks in one combo (I don't even know if that works), the little improvement in the Tribelle-combo you told me about, one worthless yellow gem and one little thing in the Funkyboard.

One worthless yellow gem in the Tribelle Combo? That gem is worth 120 points!

What improvement can you make on the Funkyboard?

[sfn42]

It seems I don't understand what you want to tell me and you don't understand what I want to tell you. I don't think we'll be getting anywhere so let's just leave it at that.

My problem in FC is that I only have mostwanted's horrible combo. I have no idea how to extend the Tribelle-combo (expect for the 120 improvement you told me about). Even if I managed mostwanted's combo (and I highly doubt that under the current circumstances), I would have little chance of getting 46000 as I don't have the time and patience to look for a combo with the Matuvu in part 2. I would end up with a dissatisfying score and it would take me a lot of time, so I have absolutely no reason to play TFC.

The gem I was referring to as worthless is worth 20 points and I probably wouldn't restart if I blew it. The Funky Board thing is not an improvement, I just missed some points last time.

[MandM81]

One reason to play FC is to enjoy the atmosphere, the music and the exciting levels. Though, I do appreciate the prospect of getting this blasted Matuvu for 1.500 points is daunting. There's really no good position to take it from. However, I don't have your score in FC at hand, but by my estimate, this Matuvu together with the points you missed last time and the number of small improvements you can make, yields around 46k points.

I thought there was a video of the Pig Combo in part 3 somewhere. If not, I'll make one later.

[sfn42]

I missed a total of 121 points last time. The Tribelle thing gives me 120 more and mostwanted's combo would give be about 400. In the end I'll either have a little more than 46000 or a little less than 46000 and that's not very motivating for me.

I'm not one for playing Rayman 3 just for the atmosphere. I rather do that with Rayman 1 or Rayman Designer. That's more fun to me, as most Rayman 3-levels are awfully boring when not played for points.

There is a video of how to avoid the gems but not of how to get the piggy banks. I would really appreciate one but don't hurry. I don't know when I'll get to a point when I can play part 3 seriously.

[MandM81]

I'll check if I haven't made a video already of that combo. I think I have it somewhere. I'll post it if I have.

[DTUCC]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZjDnaOfKIU

(video isn't procecced yet. Right now, no one of you guys is online. However, the video may not already show up when you guys watch this. I'm saying this for the case that someone of you happens to get online in the next minutes...)
(EDIT: Well, I'm going to bed now, so if this isn't up tomorrow I'm going to try reuploading.)

I actually wanted to wait until I finished SBTC... Anyway, I couldn't hold it today. I tried it out. It works perfectly. And took me just one hour of practicing.

It's not that I can do this always, but... It's not that hard...
The only part I considered being hard was running from the group of five gems to the stone with the 3 gems on it. But that actually worked on my very first try.
What offers a small challenge is getting the tribelle in time. however, it works, and i promised to upload this instantly after I know it works...

This combo provides 4.260 points.
The missing vortex version provides 3.360 points,
And your guys' version provides 3.660 points.

I'm too lazy to calculate how many points each platforms wins. In progress of this combo I actually take 5 gems I would normally take later. I dunno if I take any gems that other platforms would normally take later. Well, whatever. Someone can calculate it in details, if he wants to...

Bla blah, enough said. Just watch the video and tell me what you think. And I really don't see any possibility to get the vortex in between somewhen, so everyone would have to play like this. I fear that MandM will find a way to do so, anyway... :p

sfn: do you mean those pigs?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-SlH9jTk ... rofilepage

I can actually get them without touching any gems. to do that, get onto the highes platform and just fly down counter clockwise. It's a bit hard to explain, but if you really mean those pigs, I can make a video.

[sfn42]

Great video and great combo! Thanks! Don't know when I can try it out, though.

That's the pigs I'm talking about. I can easily get 4 in one combo but struggle with the 5th. It's only ten points but I might need them one day so I would really appreciate a video.

[MandM81]

Ok, here's the Piggybank Combo.

The Piggybank Combo

How's it going with your LOTLD video? You can download a video converter for free to reduce the size if that's the problem.

[sfn42]

So that's how it works. Doesn't even look that hard. Thanks, BTW.

I think the main problem with the video is the format and/or the codec. I've downloaded a converter but it doesn't work on Vista, I'll try it on XP today and see if it works then. If it doesn't, I'll probably make a new video with my old cam (the quality would be terrible), unless one of you has a very good idea.

[MandM81]

It's not hard. Just make sure you grab the ledge the same place I do on the video. Otherwise you will probably take the yellow gem as you jump to hit the first Pig.

Hmm, I haven't used a converter since I got Vista, so I can't help you there.

[sfn42]

Still no success with the video. I converted it into low quality .avi with about one eighth of the original size but I still couldn't upload it. I'll be looking for other solutions but I'm getting less and less optimistic.

[MandM81]

Damnation. I'm getting curious about this combo. Can you describe it in words?

[sfn42]

Sorry, it's rather long and complicated and describing it in words would be an awful task. I'm still working on a solution for the Youtube-problem. I have a few ideas left which I'll try tomorrow. I hope that at least one of them works.

[Hunchman801]

Maybe I could let you upload it to PC and I'm sure someone will convert it for you

[sfn42]

FINALLY!!! I managed to upload the video. Here it is:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tb-mCU9C ... re=channel

I want to explain some things first. This combos is roughly based on a combo by CC. He developed the method with the plum and stick and gave me the basic idea for my combo. I played his combo when getting 109000 and 113000 back in 2005 but it had one major disadvantage: It took the Matuvu in a 500-combo, only. When I played for 119599 (still in 05) I improved the combo by splitting it up. I took the Matuvu in a 2500-combo with a little more than 20 gems and started a new combo then. It gave me about 1500 more points than CC's original version, enough to get the then thought-to-be maximum. However, I always felt there must be a way to combine both combos. I did never investigate it, until recently, when the new maximum was discovered. At first I had no success because I couldn't continue the combo after the Matuvu but then I managed to get the yellow gem on the level of the Matuvu after the red gem on the upper level and I knew I could do it. The rest was just practice and a few changes in the end that allowed me to get more gems with a powerup. Overall the combo is mixture between some of CC's (the plum and stick), some of MandM's (taking the piggy banks after killing the Hoodlums on top) and my ideas.

With this combo it is possible to get more than 41000 after part 1. I had 41005 but I didn't play the other combos very well. I believe the maximum to be somewhere between 41500 and 42000 but I am too lazy to calculate it.

As you can see, I made some little mistakes in the video. It is actually possible to get everything with a powerup except for the red gem above the plum. I'm also not sure about the first yellow gem after the Matuvu. I never got the Vortex to last long enough but I think it is possible. Maybe some of you want to try it.

Enough of my ramblings. Have fun with the combo! It's really great to play.

[DTUCC]

that's really a great combo, although I'm still dissatisfied with this...

It's nice, really, and while replaying LOTLD I always searched for a way to combine both combos. However, I believe it's possible to get almost the entire level in a single combo. I think it's possible to play the whole level "backwards", which means you start in the last area, play the combo like MandM does and then run back through the hole. One would have to kill both slapdashes in order to make that possible. Also, while running through the tunnel, one would have to take some of the gems without powerup.
I haven't bothered test this by now, as 40K really was enough for my run but now that I see this video I might give that thing a shot.
Anyway, I'm not quite sure if my idea provides more points. Probably it doesn't.

Well, whatever... Nice video indeed.

[sfn42]

I don't think getting almost the whole level in one combo would be a good idea because we would have to get lots of gems without a powerup. The only way to do it would be to start at the very end of the level and then we always have the problem of the HMF in the middle of the level that doesn't last very long and doesn't allow us to take that many gems. We would also miss all 4 Slapdashes. The first two have to get killed to get up and the other two never survive when we don't kill them immediately. The Slapdashes alone would cost about 1000 points.

I don't think it's possible to kill the spiky things in the tunnel on the way backwards in combo of the other stuff, either. They are pretty deep in the tunnel. I believe I've developed the best possible combo in this part. The only improvement I can think of is including the four yellow gems behind the waterfall. I tried to do so but I found no way.

[Hunchman801]

Wow, that's what I call an amazing combo! Too hard for me, but I like the idea of taking everything in the first two zones in combo Makes me feel like playing again ^^

[MandM81]

Cool combo. I can understand why you didn't want to write it down. Would have been a long short story.

I was wondering if it weren't possible to get the gems on the upper level included in the combo? It could possibly be done after the Slapdash on the right. He could be killed from a position closer to the Shuttle Copter. After this Slapdash, you could run for the Shuttle Copter and reach the upper level and get the gems there. Then you could fall down on the Shuttle Copter Can to renew the suit and get the gems just below, kill the second Slapdash and continue as on the video. Everything is thus wrapped up nicely into one big combo.

Just a thought, but maybe you have tried it?