The future of the Xbox 360 and NDS

[Zay-el]

1) Unless you want a full production-video, there's a certain extent of extras one should include and what may interest people.

2) I'm merely saying that even a PS3 can be faulty, since with every single thing you buy, it's also a game of chance. As long as there's repair guarantee, it's likely the hardware failure, if ever, will appear in the given time. The promise of less chance of failure doesn't attact me to play 1.5 times as much.

3) I'm entitled to my opinion about games and I'm very picky at times, so PS3 doesn't have much of an advantage there, like I said. XD

4) Wow...you listed a total of...lemme count...1 games!! Awesome! I never would have imagine that a game that's basically a showcase for the PS3's capabilities would look that great. One point of argument though: at this moments, the graphics of PS3 and the 360 are roughly equal, with very few differences in actual games. Besides, sorry to say this, but I cannot take a console seriously about graphics, when it uses its AWESOMENESS at graphics and physics to devote part of the controls towards making a characters breasts move(google to see which one).

5) Tales of Vesperia was, in fact, a 360 exclusive, but there's a little bit more to that, with traces of the added content already in the 360 game and some bit of controversy around the fact that it seemed to have been a watered down version of what they originally wanted to do, using 360 owners as beta testers. Dunno how much is true about it, but looking over the facts it does seem a bit shady. Sorry, but this doesn't score too many goodie points on my tab.

[Tobbe]

oyfg, it's like watching a five year old arguing with an adult (guess who's who)!^^

Spiral, I would like to point out that my dad is stronger than your dad, he makes more money than your dad, and he fights crime at night!

[Acarr]

Oh, and the PS3 sucks in general because it's a funny shape.

[Cairnie]

My dad took home a PS3 that was left behind in a flat clearance.

It was broken and had a yellow light.

[MrBadGuy]

Firstly can I just say that I don't want to be part of an argument, and I'm just carrying on the discussion here...
The Xbox 360 takes DVDs whereas the PS3 takes blu-ray, which is rather significant, seeing as this means that, in future, more and more games will have to be cut down to simply fit the on 360's format, and it is likely that the 360 will get left behind soon, with developers either ignoring the console, or offering it very limited versions of games, unless they sell games with 2+ DVDs. This is surely something to be concerned about for 360 owners...?

[spiraldoor]

1) Unless you want a full production-video, there's a certain extent of extras one should include and what may interest people.

2) I'm merely saying that even a PS3 can be faulty, since with every single thing you buy, it's also a game of chance. As long as there's repair guarantee, it's likely the hardware failure, if ever, will appear in the given time. The promise of less chance of failure doesn't attact me to play 1.5 times as much.

3) I'm entitled to my opinion about games and I'm very picky at times, so PS3 doesn't have much of an advantage there, like I said. XD

4) Wow...you listed a total of...lemme count...1 games!! Awesome! I never would have imagine that a game that's basically a showcase for the PS3's capabilities would look that great. One point of argument though: at this moments, the graphics of PS3 and the 360 are roughly equal, with very few differences in actual games. Besides, sorry to say this, but I cannot take a console seriously about graphics, when it uses its AWESOMENESS at graphics and physics to devote part of the controls towards making a characters breasts move(google to see which one).

5) Tales of Vesperia was, in fact, a 360 exclusive, but there's a little bit more to that, with traces of the added content already in the 360 game and some bit of controversy around the fact that it seemed to have been a watered down version of what they originally wanted to do, using 360 owners as beta testers. Dunno how much is true about it, but looking over the facts it does seem a bit shady. Sorry, but this doesn't score too many goodie points on my tab.

1) You seem to have missed my point. Blu-ray movies' special features are coded in Blu-ray disc Java, which is much more powerful than whatever they use to create DVDs' special features. For example, I once played a BD-J NES emulator on my PS3.

2) Of course the PS3 can be faulty. Anything can. My point is that the Xbox 360 is much more likely to be. The hardware is shite. Recommended reading.

3) So we should judge the two consoles solely on your tastes? That list of exclusives was picked out by me; I may have left out something that would interest you. Maybe you should check the full list of exclusives, or perhaps the full list of PS3 games, including multiplatform titles.

4) What, you wanted me to list more PS3 games that have better graphics than any Xbox game? Uncharted, Metal Gear Solid 4, Killzone 2 and Uncharted 2 have all held the title of 'Best console graphics ever' at some point, and it's likely that the title will pass to God of War III next, then The Last Guardian. I disagree with what you say about the graphics of the two consoles being "roughly equal"; they aren't.

And how does a game where there are moving breasts make you not take the console's graphics "seriously"? I don't understand what you're talking about at all there.

5) A 360 game being a beta version of a PS3 game? I have no problem with that. No problem at all.

Spiral, I would like to point out that my dad is stronger than your dad, he makes more money than your dad, and he fights crime at night!

Your dad may make more money than my dad, but my dad is definitely stronger.

Oh, and the PS3 sucks in general because it's a funny shape.

Yeah...you're right, it sucks. The shape completely cancels out the Blu-ray. And the superior graphics. And the Xbox 360 isn't a funny shape at all; consoles with concave sides are completely normal.

My dad took home a PS3 that was left behind in a flat clearance.

It was broken and had a yellow light.

My PS3 is two-and-a-half years old and has yet to give me any problems.

[Acarr]

Yeah...you're right, it sucks.

I agree.

The shape completely cancels out the Blu-ray. And the superior graphics.

It does every time.

And the Xbox 360 isn't a funny shape at all; consoles with concave sides are completely normal.

Indeed.

[Zay-el]

1) Wow...so basically now you can use the PS3 for things a PC had been able to do for god knows how long? I'm sorry, but this point of yours is slowly becoming like an episode of the Jetsons, where my console will not only play games, but if I swap the right disk in, it'll make me coffee as well.

2) Yes, be assured that I've read into the matter already. Regardless the fabled failure rate, which strangely seems to change it's number from person to person, I could still buy 2 360s out of the price of one PS3, and thus have another one at hand in case the first one fails.

3) Spiral, if you actually take the time and read my earlier replies I've already mentioned I browsed through the exclusives already. As for cross-platform...again, why would I buy the pricier console in that case, if it comes out for both.

4) When you single out games, that's again a different subject matter. Uncharted, Killzone, MGS are all very much flagship titles the PS3 has the most confidence in, thus it's obvious they'll develop it as much as possible. And, don't jump on my throat for this though, shinier graphics do not make good games. Killzone might be the only game out of those that might actually interest me. Check some of the comparisons on Gamespot though and you'll see why I say they've got roughly equal graphics though. Also, be sure to check Ninja Gaiden Sigma 2 for comparison, some of which you may be surprised by, counting you high and mighty graphics. Working under a lowest-end computer and a PS1 for AGES though, I can forfeit any graphics for sole gameplay.

Again, Ninja Gaiden Sigma 2, if you want the name along as well. And why I can't take the graphics seriously? Well, check the comparison I've mentioned to see what they COULD have implemented, instead of making sure you can use one of the Sixaxis controls to move the character's breasts. Seriously, forgive me, but that sounds nothing more than an immature and nearly desperate method of getting people to play with it. Think it through with common sense and tell me with a straight face that you don't find it slightly pathetic.

5) ...I'm beginning to understand why most 360 owners view PS3 owners as assholes, no offence.

[spiraldoor]

1) I don't know what your point is. We're talking about the difference between Blu-ray and DVD. I was only pointing out that the 300% increase in detail is not the only difference. Emulation wasn't my point. :/

2) You evaded my point. I said that the Xbox 360 has many harware problems and is much more likely to fail than the PS3, and you responded by saying that the PS3 is more expensive.

3) I was under the impression that you, like Stacey, browsed through the exclusives list that I posted, not the one on Wikipedia. You should have made yourself clearer.

And one would obviously not but the PS3 solely for its multiplatform titles. I was merely wondering how many of those were to your liking, seeing how you selected only three out of my long list.

4) The Uncharted, Killzone, Metal Gear Solid, God of War and ICO series are all flagship games, and all their PS3 iterations have graphics which are noticeably superior to any Xbox 360 game. None of these games rely on their graphics to make them great, as they all have great gameplay, too. As developers become more accustomed to programming for the CELL engine, the graphics for such games will continue to improve. I'm not trying to make any other point.

Ninja Gaiden Sigma 2? I know very little about the game and have no intention of playing it. But one third-party developer making a stupid choice as to how to improve the a game while porting it from the Xbox 360 doesn't really make me stop taking graphics "seriously". Or affect me in any way.

5) Do you think that the Xbox 360 owners of the world would be pissed off if a PS3 game was used as a beta for a 360 game?

Also, my uncle fights crime at night.

[Zay-el]

1) Yes, but to argue, you merely started elaborating upon the possibility of it taking over other functions. Get this, Blu-ray, DVD, CD, it's just a disk. It doesn't matter how you make it shine, it still is. It's for storage. Supplying it with such various stuff will mostly serve to confuse people. Besides, I don't think present-day stuff can so much as take advantage of Blu-ray....for instance, how much can you possibly add and polish into say...Ghostbusters(the film) to make it worth placing it on Blu-ray?

2) I mean that in cost/effect rate, the 360 works better despite hardware problems. If the 360 fries, big deal, I'll either have it fixed, or just buy another one. But if Lady Luck kicks me and a PS3 fails, I basically just lost an average monthly wager amount of money.

3) I'm scarcely interested lately, mostly because there just aren't enough games that actually appeal to me. Seriously, the only one I might be interested in right now, besides Dragon Age(which I'm getting for PC, before you might ask), is Brutal Legend and if I didn't have a 360 already, I'd most likely get it just simply because I can get an extra 2-3 games before it'd reach the price of a single PS3. The current PS3 exclusives simply don't appeal to me that much. It happens. I'd take a Halo 3 over say, Metal Gear Solid anyday(though to add, I have had great fun and experience in Halo 2).

Did I say a single word about you having to play it? As far as my knowledge goes, while the game has been improved for the PS3, it strangely seems to have less characters on screen at the same time, than the 360 had, for instance, simply because the 360 handled that department slightly better. I'm not saying this is definitive evidence over either side, but it's an interesting thing to know.

5) Is that a likely thing, with the money and marketing that's being pushed into it, after its initial fail?

I'm just saying that it's a low-down thing to do to people and it kinda gives a rating of you, too, just being all smiley about another gaming industry rip-off. And interestingly 90% of the times PS3 owners seem to react a lot more agressively about their own console, at least that's my current experience. No offence, once again.

...and I asked about your uncle, when?

[Holy Crap]

The uncle thing is referring to some useless comments made by tobbe earlier...

Spiral, I would like to point out that my dad is stronger than your dad, he makes more money than your dad, and he fights crime at night!

[spiraldoor]

1) I wasn't elaborating on the possibilty of Blu-ray "taking over" other features. I was pointing out the fact that BD-j is much more powerful than what they use to code DVD-ROM special features, and using the NES emulator as an example to illustrate my point. As for Ghostbusters, you could take the original footage that was filmed in 1984 and do a high-definition digital transfer so it looks four times as detailed. That's what this format exists for. And why would better special features "confuse" people?

2) Is the 360 still more cost-effective when you factor in the RROD, the disc-scratching, the video output failure and the disc-reading and E74 errors? Even if it is, that doesn't make the Xbox 360 better in any way.

~When you say "cost-effective", are you taking the $90 wi-fi, $20-each controller chargers and $50-a-year Live subscription into account?

3) Again, I have nothing to say about your taste in games; I find it strange that there are so few you think you'd enjoy, but it's ultimately irrelevant to me and the discussion. If we're to compare exclusives, I'd rather we judge them according to what Metacritic says than what you say.

4) Ninja Gaiden 2 is just one multiplatform game at the end of the day. There's no point in bickering about version differences of a single title when comparing two entire consoles. Moving breasts or the lack thereof do not affect my enjoyment of a game.

5) You said you were "beginning" to see why "most" Xbox 360 owners view PS3 owners as assholes. Am I to take it that you didn't understand this until now (you said you were "beginning")? I would also like to see the survey of every Xbox 360 owner in the world, in which more that 50% answered 'Yes' when asked, 'Do you view PS3 owners as assholes?'.

~Plenty of Xbox 360 games get inferior PS3 ports. This is one of the rare occasions when the 360 owners get fucked over for once. They have none of my sympathy.

[Tobbe]

5) You said you were "beginning" to see why "most" Xbox 360 owners view PS3 owners as assholes. Am I to take it that you didn't understand this until now (you said you were "beginning")? I would also like to see the survey of every Xbox 360 owner in the world, in which more that 50% answered 'Yes' when asked, 'Do you view PS3 owners as assholes?'.

Strike PS3 owners and insert PS3 fanboys and I can guarantee you that 99% would answer yes.

[spiraldoor]

Strike PS3 owners and insert PS3 fanboys and

Uhh that isn't what he said.

PS3 owners

[Tobbe]

I know it isn't, but that's what he should have said. Are you being intentionally thick?

[spiraldoor]

I know it isn't, but that's what he should have said.

Why should he have said that? That would have completely changed the meaning of the assertion I called him out on.

[Tobbe]

He should have said that because that way his assertion would have made a lot more sense. He could also have said 'PS3 owners like you'.

[spiraldoor]

He should have said that because that way his assertion would have made a lot more sense. He could also have said 'PS3 owners like you'.

The assertion he DID make was one I disagreed with, and I called him out on it. Stop trying to answer for him, I want to hear his response.

[Tobbe]

I'm not trying to answer for him. I'm trying to make my own point, which is:

PS3 fanboys = retards

And for the record:

Xbox 360 fanboys = retards
Nintendo fanboys = retards
Mac fanboys = retards
Linux fanboys = retards

Now stop the pointless bullshitting.

[PluMGMK]

I noticed that you never put:
Windows fanboys = retards