The future of the Xbox 360 and NDS

[Tobbe]

I have yet to find a Windows fanboy. I actually don't think there are anyone out there who think that Windows is perfect, like a proper fanboy does.

[spiraldoor]

I'm not trying to answer for him. I'm trying to make my own point, which is:

PS3 fanboys = retards

And for the record:

Xbox 360 fanboys = retards
Nintendo fanboys = retards
Mac fanboys = retards
Linux fanboys = retards

Of course. What's your definition of "fanboy"?

[Tobbe]

I find you a pretty good benchmark.

[Zay-el]

1) Of course! Take a 1984 footage and do a high-definiton transfer, instantly causing it to turn bright and shiny!

You've been watching too much CSI, in my opinion. Footages can be improved through various methods, but after a while there's just a point where you can't continue improving it anymore. Also, take note that I've never once said that Blu-ray might not become dominant in the future, but as for right now, I don't think there's that much need for its capabilities. Apart from some flagship stuff, I don't think there are all that many stuff taking advantage of the capabilities you so cherish. Also, to answer the last bit, there are only a certain number of extras I like on a disc. With all the extras, the film itself could promptly disappear in the disc, prompting a question from me while using, '...okay...but where's the film?!'

2) To this day, I haven't encountered those errors, not a single one of them. I dunno whether that's just luck or anything else, but I'd be stupid to suddenly throw it out for a PS3.

And Spiral, could you please get it into your head that I don't have an oil well in my backyard? I couldn't give a shit for wi-fi, controller charges and Live subscription. For what I want it, I'm perfectly fine without wi-fi, with batteries and without Live. For Christ's sake, I don't even have a HD TV for the damn thing! Either way, if I really want Live, 50$ for one year isn't going to make me go bankrupt and I'll just grab a cable instead of fooling around with Wi-fi.

3) Again, I don't care the least bit of what Metacritic has to say. I'm not going to play a game just because it gets top scores. Assassin's Creed got high scores and I still don't like it. Tastes vary from person to person and it really doesn't matter what Metacritic score you pull out, as long as individual people name different games they want to play with. But if you have the money to jump on every word from Meta, I salute you...

4) ...I completely omitted the breast stuff last time, Spiral. I said the PS3 couldn't handle as much characters on the screen as the 360, that was my main point in the last reply. Also, this isn't just multiplatform, don't belittle it. NGS2 is downright an enhance version of the original 360 one, so don't try to hide that tiny fact under your bed.

5) Spiral, just try and browse through several game trailers on Youtube and check the comments. The amount of fiery self-praise and bashing the PS3 owners do greatly outweights any other console owners' reaction I've ever seen.

You might want to ask yourself on the other hand though, if the PS3 really is as high and mighty as you say, why does it keep getting inferior ports?

[Hunchman801]

Of course. What's your definition of "fanboy"?

I'll give it a try

Fanboys are individuals showing a strong affection and a clear obsession for a brand, a product, a person, an idea or your mom. They are devoted to their obsession, often at a morbid point, and usually reject with aggressiveness any point of view that is different from theirs, as they consider them as personal attacks.

Even though fanboys are often depicted as fat and ugly, it appears that a substantial proportion of fanboys are only either fat or ugly.

Fanboyism is a side-effect of sexual frustration, which is a consequence of their repugnant physical appearance. It has been empirically proved that getting laid helps cure 98.6% of fanboyism cases; in order to attain this goal, a diet, acne treatment and decent clothes are considered a good start by specialists. Psychologists, on the other hand, often mention mental diseases, but who cares what they say, they're not even scientists.

Here is a case of acute fanboyism (this picture may hurt your sensibility):

[Acarr]

Good one, Hunch.

[Rsandee]

I don't really care about fanboy's..... if i ever buy a PS3 i would never be a fan of Sony, and if i ever would buy a Xbox 360 i would never be a fan of microsoft..... i just want to play the games.

[Holy Crap]

Of course. What's your definition of "fanboy"?

I'll give it a try

Fanboys are individuals showing a strong affection and a clear obsession for a brand, a product, a person, an idea or your mom. They are devoted to their obsession, often at a morbid point, and usually reject with aggressiveness any point of view that is different from theirs, as they consider them as personal attacks.

Even though fanboys are often depicted as fat and ugly, it appears that a substantial proportion of fanboys are only either fat or ugly.

Fanboyism is a side-effect of sexual frustration, which is a consequence of their repugnant physical appearance. It has been empirically proved that getting laid helps cure 98.6% of fanboyism cases; in order to attain this goal, a diet, acne treatment and decent clothes are considered a good start by specialists. Psychologists, on the other hand, often mention mental diseases, but who cares what they say, they're not even scientists.

Here is a case of acute fanboyism (this picture may hurt your sensibility):

This reminds me; I while ago I had an idea for an archive of some of the most noteworthy posts and discussions on PC. If such a thing were implemented here... this definitely deserves a spot.

[spiraldoor]

I find you a pretty good benchmark.

That doesn't answer my question.

Now...

1) Why do you keep using belittling terms for high-quality video? "Bright and shiny".

I've never watched CSI in my life, and we still haven't reached the stage where our discs have the same level of quality as film. That happens next geneation I suppose. Digitally scanning the footage is not "improving" it, it is making a better copy of it.

And one must be profoundly stupid to not be able to find the 'Play' option on the main menu.

~Also, the District 9 Blu-ray will have a playable God of War III demo on it. Random, but excellent.

2) When did I tell you to throw out your 360 for a PS3? Never.

I don't have an HDTV either. But I did not mention that, as it's utterly irrelevant to the question of whether the PS3 is better than the Xbox 360.

3) Metacritic is the most reliable source in existence for determining the quality of a game. I brought it up because I felt that judging the two consoles' software lineups on your tastes was inappopriate. If we're to compare the PS3's games with the 360's games, we're using Metacritic. I refuse to take part in a comparison in which you are free to decide which games are good and which aren't. We're discussing the consoles, we're not discussing you.

And please stop making repeated suggestions that I'm wealthy.

4) Overall, Ninja Gaiden Sigma 2 for the PS3 is a superior game to Ninja Gaiden II for the Xbox 360. It sure "is downright an enhance version", yes. The porters did a relatively good job, except someone decided to sacrifice enemies for breasts. But I don't care, as the improvements made more than cancel this detail out (it's debatable whether having as many enemies on-screen as possible is actually a good thing, anyway). I'm not trying to "hide a tiny fact under my bed". Where did you get that from?

5) I glanced at the comment for three or four videos and found the number of fanboys on each side to be roughly the same. But this is irrelevant to the matter at hand: if there were millions of PS3 fanboys and no Xbox 360 fanboys, that would still have no effect on the question of which one is superior.

The reason the PS3 keeps getting inferior ports is that it's difficult to code for.

[Zay-el]

1) Nah, I don't really mean to belittle things, I'm just being sarcastic at times. I just don't think that there's too much to improve on original footage, if they are from a much earlier generation than the Blu-ray. Also, I didn't mean the fact that one couldn't find the 'play' option just....how to put it...like when you're waiting for a letter and get all the stuff from your postbox, but to get to the one you want, you need to rummage through endless ads and stuff.

...I personally don't see the point of that though. If it were a game of the movie, or at least something also science fiction themed, I'd see sense in it.

2) Fine, fine, what I just want to point out is that hardware failure or not, I prefer the 360. I have the Arcade, this the worst possible edition, no Live, no wi-fi, no rechargable controllers, yet anytime I feel like playing a bit of say...Fable II (got about 4-5 games so I can't be picky), it's more than enough for my tastes. Besides, it doesn't matter much to me right now, considering it'd be weird to bring it to the school hostel. XD

3) I strongly disagree with you on this point though. For one thing, Meta is one critic site after a million. I personally watch only Gamespot, so that's already a difference. And I think that deciding on which console is better concerning games SHOULD be a subjective matter. After all, YOU make the decision of buying the certain game, not the critic site. Only you can decide for yourself whether a gaming console is better or worse, concerning the games they can offer for your pleasure.

Alright, I was going overboard with that anyway. I just meant to say that please keep in mind that I live in a country that is, by all means, fast approaching Third World status, thus my decision are strongly effected by my purse.

4) I'd have to disagree with you a bit though. In a game that goes relatively along the same monster-beating side as, say, Devil May Cry 4, it kinda is important as how many enemies there are. If nothing else, then for atmosphere. Nevertheless, sure, one game doesn't make a difference, one way or another, but it's still something not to be forgotten it. Also, I only mentioned the hiding bit because you were so keen on quickly proving that this fact does not matter the least bit.

5) Doesn't matter then, I guess. On both sides there are strong...or rather, rabid supporters. I'd just wanted to point out that PS3 owners are often very...territorial about their console's place on the market. Say, I constantly see you dissing the 360 for instance, whenever the question comes up. It's almost like a Windows and Linux. Also, I didn't say the fans matter on whether either is superior, but I don't mind if the community is..say...decent.

That's a rather poor excuse though. Anything can be done decently, as long as it isn't rushed like hell.

Whatever though, I might as well stop here. I'm no true fan of the 360, even less of the PS3 even though I love my PS2, since neither would do me good in school hostel. I'm still simply a PC player and I'm quite content with that. I just wanted to discuss a few arguments, but as per now, I'm getting way too tired over the days to continue.

[spiraldoor]

1) Physical film is of extremely high quality (better than current-gen High Definition). That's why they still use old-fashioned physical-film cameras instead of digital ones. Every few years, when a new format comes out, they go back to the original footage and make a higher-quality digital copy of it. If I know my...film science, or whatever...a 1984 film should look nearly as good on Blu-ray as a brand-new one. I expect the film they used back then might have deteriorated a little by now, and it probably wasn't as good as modern film is to start with. But there shouldn't be any problem.

And when you play a DVD or a BD, 'Play' is usually highlighted when you first get to the menu...all you have to do is press 'OK' or 'Enter', depending on your remote. If 'Play' isn't the default option, then somebody screwed up.

2) If a Arcade with Fable II is enough for you, I have no problem with that. There's really nothing more to be said. My PS3 is actually the best possible model (launch, backwards-compatible, with four USB drives and all the card-readers). Cost me six hundred, and I have no regrets. Varying amounts of disposable income and taste in games call for different measures, I suppose.

3) I think that each review site (such as GameSpot or IGN) is tainted by the imperfections of the review process. Reviewers are only human; they can't give a definitive answer as to how good a game really is; that's impossible. Metacritic is the next-best thing; completely devoid of bias, and it shows the 'general consensus' as to the quality of a game. And no, I don't judge my purchases solely by it. I judge them on a mixture of my own tastes and professional reviews, which I believe is the best way to do it.

4) I haven't played Ninja Gaiden 2, so I don't know if it has too many enemies, or not enough. But God of War III can handle up to fifty enemies on-screen at once (while displaying in full 1080p), so it's safe to say it's a question of the developers not putting in the work, not a question of console power.

5) Yes, let's stop here. This has been a good 'fanboy' argument. We settled our differences of opinion is a reasonable fashion and nobody got banned.

I have yet to find a Windows fanboy. I actually don't think there are anyone out there who think that Windows is perfect, like a proper fanboy does.

What's your definition of "fanboy"?

I find you a pretty good benchmark.

I repeat: give me your definition of the term 'fanboy'.

How's your hundred-euro HD-DVD drive?

Those cost two hundred, now that I think of it.

BD sold better than HD-DVD. Pretty obvious, non?

No, of course it wasn't obvious. Most early adopters wouldn't have checked-out the latesst up-to-date sales figures and made their choice based on that. If it was as obvious as you seem to think, don't you feel annoyed that Microsoft tried to rip you off by marketing those overpriced, obsolete drives at you? And even if you were correct, what about the days when it was too early to tell which one was selling better, and all the 360-owners that Microsoft scammed back then? Saying that 'Blu-ray obviously sold better' is not a valid excuse in relation to the time period in question.

At least X360 owners could talk to each other before our consoles failed.

PS3 has in-game chat anyway. So the PS3 owners could talk to each other. I think the most significant difference here is that the PS3s did not fail.

It's so much fun getting you started, spiral!

You should never have gotten him started, Zay-El.

Oh for the days when starting arguments was a bannable offence...

oyfg, it's like watching a five year old arguing with an adult (guess who's who)!^^

[sonyplaystation]

The Nintendo DS is a boon.

It has two screens.

One of them is touch-sensitive.

It has a microphone.

It uses cartridges.

If they make a new Game Boy that removes this gimmicky nonsense, I will consider buying it.

Im with you on that.

[Adsolution]

The Nintendo DS is a boon.

It has two screens.

One of them is touch-sensitive.

It has a microphone.

It uses cartridges.

If they make a new Game Boy that removes this gimmicky nonsense, I will consider buying it.

Im with you on that.

[spiraldoor]