RP#15 - Immigration

[Tobbe]

So the fact that the Republicans don't give a shit about the environment doesn't bother you? Are you one of the few morons who still don't accept that the current climate changes are man-made?

I have seen no compelling evidence to suggest that it's any more than a lie or gross exaggeration created as an excuse to raise taxes, really. But feel free to prove me wrong.

Take a look at this

[spiraldoor]

I find this article to be rather more convincing.

[Tobbe]

Disclosure of e-mails and documents from the Climate Research Unit (CRU) in Britain -- a collaborator with the U.N.'s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change -- reveals some scientists' willingness to suppress or massage data and rig the peer-review process and the publication of scholarly work. The CRU materials also reveal paranoia on the part of scientists who believe that in trying to engineer "consensus" and alarm about warming, they are a brave and embattled minority. Actually, never in peacetime history has the government-media-academic complex been in such sustained propagandistic lockstep about any subject.

You are aware that this is all bullshit, right.





George Will is not a scientist, and the Washington Post is not a peer reviewed scientific journal.

[Phoenixan]

He's held presidency for less than a year - how can this possibly reveal him to be some unparalleled political god? It can't. This whole inauguration process has been horrifically over-inflated. I'm voting for the second option because I like his ideologies, nothing more.

I'd hate to say it right now, but personally, I think it's been overblown for the simple fact that his skin tone happens to be darker. If he was a white guy (same views, same personality, same background, etc.) it wouldn't have been as overblown and glorified.

Though, I did vote for him during the elections because I did like his ideologies as well.

[Joshua822]

I voted for the second option. I like Obama. The US desperately needed a non-Republican president, and Obama is definitely a huge step forward from Bush, who was the second biggest clown in the White House ever (Nixon was worse). However, he hasn't done anything to deserve the Nobel Peace Prize yet, and I doubt that he ever will deserve it.

I completly agree with you. Honestly, i like Obama's vision, but there are people that deserve the nobel prize for peace more.

Well, Obama's election had a great value towards afro-americans : he's the first afro-american president, and if you know that they've only been slaves, and after that were heavy discriminated, i can understand why people hold his election for great value. But i also agree, he has good ideals, but he isn't the savior of the world.

[Zay-el]

I honestly think there are more problems in Hungary, than for me to so much as give a thought about the guy, but to sum up my opinion: electing him wasn't a bad idea, concerning everything. Who knows, he may turn out to have some neat ideas and stuff. However, the Nobel prize was just laughable. Isn't giving a peace prize to someone waging a war, a paradox?

[spiraldoor]

Potholer54's videos are convincing. That said, I still have no particularly strong views on climate change, as I don't see how it affects me.

What has Obama done about it, anyway?

[Tobbe]

Not as much as he should have, but at the climate conference in Copenhagen he did promise to lower emissions of CO2 or something.

[spiraldoor]

Has he done much to correct the other "fuckups" you linked to? I get the impression (from the dropping opinion polls etc.) that the general consensus amongst Americans is that he's a disappointment who's failed to live up to the promises he was elected for. The only thing he's done which I've heard of is some kind of reform of the US healthcare system which supposedly makes it more similar to the one in the UK or something?

[Matyuv]

Well he admitted himself he didn't deserve it yet so the first option is a no obviously.
I don't see how his politics are a step forward to peace either.
So I'm going with the third option.

[Hunchman801]

Moving on... I'm against capital punishment, which leaves me no choice on that one.

[PluMGMK]

I don't think anyone should be executed.

[Tobbe]

Same as Hunch.

[#Rubber mark#]

What do you think of the execution of British national Akmal Shaikh in China?

If only they could rid us of all our pakis...

[Xenon]

I haven't researched the subject but I have no problem with execution, as long as there's some clear justification obviously.

[Cairnie]

What exactly did this guy do again?

[PluMGMK]

He smuggled drugs into China or something.

[#Rubber mark#]

Related pictural interlude:

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[Phoenixan]

As I said in the Political Compass topic, I actually lean toward just saying, if you enter another country and get in deep with their laws, sure, it's a shame and all, but tough cookies. You fight where you can, and if you lose, you lose, and you hope that someone bails you out somehow. There are quite a few people who get locked up abroad or executed, and that's the risk you take when you travel all over the world, and now that I've taken more time to look this up and the like, he must have understood those risks since he's travelled quite a lot.

tl;dr
"Tough shit. Cry a river and flood China if you care so much."

[spiraldoor]

The high-profile execution of this one man will discourage others from attempting to smuggle drugs into China and thus will damage the drugs industry there, taking some money away from the criminal scum who destroy people's lives for profit, which is a worthy trade-off.

He had it coming.