RP#15 - Immigration

[spiraldoor]

I'm just guessing based on the fact it's red, and that a red herring would be making a point, rather than just posting a picture of a fish.

Just posting a picture of a fish (and derailing the discussion as a result) would, in a way, be a red herring itself.

So it could be argued that it's a red herring either way.

[PluMGMK]

I'm just guessing based on the fact it's red, and that a red herring would be making a point, rather than just posting a picture of a fish.

Just posting a picture of a fish (and derailing the discussion as a result) would, in a way, be a red herring itself.

I think that was why he posted it.

[Xenon]

No, it wouldn't. There are far better ways to prevent crime than to increase punishment.

Rehabilitation courses are expensive and time-costly. Reforming a part-fallen society is a really difficult task. In some cases, increasing punishment is the only feasible way to combat crime (at least realistically), and I'd predict the outcome would be effective.

[Tobbe]

I wasn't talking about rehabilitation. The best way to combat crime is to take preventive action that actually works. One of the most important measures is to take care of the "outsiders", those who drop out of the education system at an early stage for example. It is by making sure that people don't resort to crime in the first place you best combat it, not by increasing punishment, and not by trying to rehabilitate criminals either.

[Xenon]

I wouldn't say the education system is largely responsible for crime though. I'd say wealth and parenting are the key aggressors, but legislating these areas would probably lead to a minefield of human rights violations.

You're right in that tackling crime from the source is the right way to go, but in modern society this often just isn't feasible.

[Matyuv]

Time for a new poll I guess.

Personally I'd say yes, with some sort of age restrictions though maybe.

[Xenon]

In no way should weed be legalised in any country.

[Hunchman801]

Legalisation! Legalisation!

If weed was legalised, at least we'd get quality stuff at a correct price and there would be no more underground traffic. Its use should probably be restricted, but I'm all for legalisation.

[Tobbe]

Alcohol and tobaccho are both legal, so I don't see why weed shouldn't be. I voted yes.

[Phoenixan]

I'm with Xenon and personally don't see why it should be legalized in any country. Tobacco is already enough of a problem, and we don't need to throw more such drugs in the mix, and as for alcohol, while I see it fine in moderation, could possibly be regulated.

Though, I'm also personally against anything that really messes with my psyche in any way. I drink a little, but I stop before it alters my perception. I don't take some medications because they make me dizzy or moody. Then as for weed, I've already observed how people are after they've smoked it, and I don't want to even bring myself there.

[Matyuv]

Legalisation! Legalisation!

If weed was legalised, at least we'd get quality stuff at a correct price and there would be no more underground traffic. Its use should probably be restricted, but I'm all for legalisation.

Yeah it hits the crimes and helps the state economics
I think I wouldn't try it even if it was legal though

[MrBadGuy]

I think, up to a point, that people should be allowed to do whatever they want to themselves, although I draw the line at things like heroin. So yeah, I think weed should be legalised.

[El Dango]

Hell no it shouldn't.

[Cairnie]

Tough cookie this one and that's saying a lot considering the flip-outs I've had before.

I hate weed that's smoked ie in joints. It smells just as bad as tobacco and as far as I've gathered it's no healthier. To call oneself a non-smoker yet to still smoke weed is most hypocritical because it is still smoked. I see no excuse for smoking it, ever. Even people in their 40s can't be sensible with it [trust me on this one], let alone typical secondary school/college kids, so it's hard for me to imagine what would happen in this country if weed became legal there. People can't be trusted with alcohol either, and I think this country is horribly obsessed with tobacco [I think that's the very reason there are still the anti-smoking ads most smokers hate so much].

Eating weed in like, cooked food however, I'm still mixed in thoughts. I hear that the high is a lot stronger this way than it is when smoked but it takes longer? I dunno, never tried it, and it's not likely I will [note that I've said not likely rather than impossible]. I honestly wouldn't mind if people only stuck to that in moderation, like like every day, considering loads of people take painkillers on a regular basis.

You can call bullshit on this if you want, but this is the most mature way for me to put it.

[Joshua822]

Legalisation! Legalisation!

If weed was legalised, at least we'd get quality stuff at a correct price and there would be no more underground traffic. Its use should probably be restricted, but I'm all for legalisation.

+1.

The problem can be traced back to one simple economic rule : when there's question, there will be availability. Currently, you can buy drugs through the underground, but that's a really big problem : you don't know what your taking ( it may be washing pouder instead of drugs, with drugs in pouder, for example, and i think we all know how good washing pouder is for you ), you pay too much for your drugs, you're keeping the underground alive, you're ruining ( no taxes ) the economy of your country, and because you can take it in anywhere you want you might be a danger to other people.

That's why the government should redistribute and handle drugs themselves. The problems i mentioned will then be solved. Not that i'm pro-drugs, i mean, drugs can ruin one's / others life if not taken with responsibility. But the fact remains : there will always be question. So let the government handle that question, and supply places where people can take the drugs they bought from the government in responsibly, and sell the drugs.

About selling drugs to children, is a discussion i will not take part in currently.

[Tobbe]

Obviously, if weed is made legal there should be an age limit for buying it which is the same as for alcohol and tobaccho (16 or 18 most places).

[Cairnie]

I'm pretty sure I heard even a pot advocate say that street weed is nasty shit. So uh...

Would you ever march out to try and get it legal? That I think is incredibly dumb and a sign that they take their precious drug way too seriously.

[Tobbe]

Would you ever march out to try and get it legal?

No, because I don't care that much.

I've looked it up, and apparently cannabis is less harmful and less addictive than both alcohol and tobaccho. Food for thought.

[Joshua822]

Would you ever march out to try and get it legal? That I think is incredibly dumb and a sign that they take their precious drug way too seriously.

Is that even possible ?

Obviously, if weed is made legal there should be an age limit for buying it which is the same as for alcohol and tobacco (16 or 18 most places).

I guess that's a good solution as well. We should definitely try to keep people of drugs. Especially children/teenagers.

I've looked it up, and apparently cannabis is less harmful and less addictive than both alcohol and tobaccho. Food for thought.

Alcohol is also considered hard drugs, i think

[Cairnie]

@Josh: yeah people do all over the world, it's called 4/20.
@ To be fair, yes tobacco does kill more people, but dying of weed use is still possible. I once read an account where a teen boy go so addicted to it that he killed himself when he ran out of weed and also money for it. But that's one weed kill compared to 2000 UK tobacco deaths, I think, a week?