Lore thread

[Spanex]

I think the whole heat thing is a little illogical... I mean they live in a desert where the ground burns your feet. Now, I understand they live in tunnels because they don't like the light outside, but if they hated the heat so much aswell, they would've long moved somewhere else where it was colder. And if Reflux really was weakened by heat, then why the heck does he summon fire himself? He's really smarter than that.

[Jewish Candy]

I think Holy Crap has a hell of a good point, actually. Though the summoning of fire is quite illogical, it is done through the staff, and we never get close enough to see if Reflux retains his shield or not. It could be that by weakening his staff (which I'm guessing is his protection), one exposes Reflux to the heat of the arena, defeating him.
As for the Knaaren's location... tunnels take time to build. Perhaps they ARE trying to burrow their way out of the desert, who knows. I think it's more likely, though, that they've grown accustomed to their underground environs, as we can see from the elaborate sculptures and murals they've gone and made. They wouldn't have bothered if they were planning to leave. Besides, the sun is EVERYWHERE. I think it's light as much as heat which hurts the Knaaren.
As an additional point, how would they have coped with the other races on Rayman's world, who appear far more widespread and would most likely be hostile to the Knaaren? Again, no one likes aliens. It's best if they stay homogenous and hidden away.

[Spanex]

As an additional point, how would they have coped with the other races on Rayman's world, who appear far more widespread and would most likely be hostile to the Knaaren?

You say that there are creatures more hostile and bloodthirsty than Knaaren?

[Holy Crap]

I think the whole heat thing is a little illogical... I mean they live in a desert where the ground burns your feet. Now, I understand they live in tunnels because they don't like the light outside, but if they hated the heat so much aswell, they would've long moved somewhere else where it was colder. And if Reflux really was weakened by heat, then why the heck does he summon fire himself? He's really smarter than that.

Deserts can actually get very cold at nigth and underground. Sand doesn't retain heat well, so once the sun is down it gets extremely cold. Also the tunnels may have been built before the area above became a desert; the skeletons above indicate the former presence of a lifeform that no longer exists, perhaps that area was once fileld with life? The Knaaren escaped the heat by tunneling underground but the larger creatures were not so lucky, somthing like that.
As for Reflux summoning fire, I'm not saying that heat is absolutely crippling to Knaaren. If my theory were true, then Reflux obviously has decided that the benefits of summoning fire against his opponents is well worth the risk of weakening his own defenses. This would be especially helpful against other Knaaren in the Arena - maybe that's how he became champion in the first place?

I'm liking this idea more the more I think about it.

[Tulio]

Oh, 1 more thing. If I remember correctly on PS1(?) version someone said that Foutch became so aggresive and mad because of destruction of Primordial Core... right? This version probably has many more dialogues and lore references and I'd like to hear some of them if anyone knows.

[Spanex]

Ofcourse the desert is cold at night. I could very well imagine Knaaren running out in the open at night and retreat again at daytime. Like many animals in real life do that live in deserts.

Sure, fire burns, there's no doubt in that. But I don't see any reason why or how it would affect a Knaaren differently than anyone else, if you get what I mean.

[Holy Crap]

The Rayman games take place in a magical world. The Knaaren shields seem to be magical. My idea is that the heat removes their magic, or weakens them in general. After all, their creator is the bringer of night, so maybe he's creations all have a weakness to the day. It's comparable to how Polkus' creations, the inhabitants of the Glade get weakened by the destruction of the heart of the world, or to the chaos that arises when the great protoon is removed.

[Spanex]

The Rayman games take place in a magical world. The Knaaren shields seem to be magical. My idea is that the heat removes their magic, or weakens them in general. After all, their creator is the bringer of night, so maybe he's creations all have a weakness to the day. It's comparable to how Polkus' creations, the inhabitants of the Glade get weakened by the destruction of the heart of the world, or to the chaos that arises when the great protoon is removed.

Then it would make more sense to me that anything emitting light does this to them instead of fire only.

(Kinda like my OC Jake, lol.)

[Jewish Candy]

I'd say that, due to the mystical nature of Rayman's world, it is the light of the sun itself which damages Knaaren. The green fire they use underground must come from a different source, or at least be some kind of conjured thing, which doesn't harm them.
As for my earlier point; of course there are more dangerous creatures out there than the Knaaren, but it's not them I'm talking about in particular. The Teensies and the race that Inspector Grub belongs to appear very widespread and civilised. There is power in numbers - I doubt the Knaaren could outnumber them, or face up to the teleporting awesomeness of the Teensies. Even if the sun did no damage, Gumsi et al would soon be fighting to survive against a whole horde of Polukian beings, who no doubt would hold a grudge.

Yeah, I'm a Knaaren sympathiser. Whatcha gonna do?

[Holy Crap]

The Rayman games take place in a magical world. The Knaaren shields seem to be magical. My idea is that the heat removes their magic, or weakens them in general. After all, their creator is the bringer of night, so maybe he's creations all have a weakness to the day. It's comparable to how Polkus' creations, the inhabitants of the Glade get weakened by the destruction of the heart of the world, or to the chaos that arises when the great protoon is removed.

Then it would make more sense to me that anything emitting light does this to them instead of fire only.

I never said it was fire only. As I said earlier, the electricity from the Lockjaw also breaks the shields.

[Spanex]

As for my earlier point; of course there are more dangerous creatures out there than the Knaaren, but it's not them I'm talking about in particular. The Teensies and the race that Inspector Grub belongs to appear very widespread and civilised. There is power in numbers - I doubt the Knaaren could outnumber them, or face up to the teleporting awesomeness of the Teensies. Even if the sun did no damage, Gumsi et al would soon be fighting to survive against a whole horde of Polukian beings, who no doubt would hold a grudge.

Yeah, I'm a Knaaren sympathiser. Whatcha gonna do?

Nuthin', cuz I thinks you haz valid point conseedering powar in numberz, as well as adfancied teknologiez.

I never said it was fire only. As I said earlier, the electricity from the Lockjaw also breaks the shields.

Then I must've misunderstood that part. But I think light is the real culprit, rather than heat.

[Holy Crap]

Perhaps, but JC's earlier comment about the glowing Green Liquid in the tunnels may be contradictory to that idea, while in terms of heat the liquid could be a form of heatless lighting.
In any case I think it's safe to say high energy in some forms is detrimental to the Knaaren to an extent.

[Spanex]

Whatever the green stuff is, the Knaaren seem to want to keep away from that too, except that one just standing there roaring at you at one point. XD

But yes, I think it's settled then.

[Jewish Candy]

Perhaps, but JC's earlier comment about the glowing Green Liquid in the tunnels may be contradictory to that idea, while in terms of heat the liquid could be a form of heatless lighting.
In any case I think it's safe to say high energy in some forms is detrimental to the Knaaren to an extent.

It is VERY safe to say that, as that rule applies to all species, methinks.

[Holy Crap]

And now, some random speculative ranting! This is just me going off little else but my own imagination, so only read if you're interested.
A Theory on the Knaaren's Origins:
The Leptys planned to make a tough, strong, resilient species. While he has many powers of creation, but he was not in complete mastery of them and was unsure how to go about making this species, especially since they would inevitably share his weakness to the sun. So he made a number of different races and deliberately put them in a harsh, unforgiving desert to test them, pitting them against each other in a 'game' of Natural Selection; survival of the fittest. It was, in essence an experiment to find out what worked and what didn't. The Knnaren were the winners of this 'game', building vast tunnels underground to escape their harsh environment, and who's firceness and toughness allowed them to overpower the other species. The other creatures - failed experiments - were not so lucky, and the collossal skeletons of one such race remain, littered across the desert as a reminder of this.
EDIT: The Knaaren Arena could be a homage to this, pitting people against each other to see who the strongest is.

[Jewish Candy]

And now, some random speculative ranting! This is just me going off little else but my own imagination, so only read if you're interested.
A Theory on the Knaaren's Origins:
The Leptys planned to make a tough, strong, resilient species. While he has many powers of creation, but he was not in complete mastery of them and was unsure how to go about making this species, especially since they would inevitably share his weakness to the sun. So he made a number of different races and deliberately put them in a harsh, unforgiving desert to test them, pitting them against each other in a 'game' of Natural Selection; survival of the fittest. It was, in essence an experiment to find out what worked and what didn't. The Knnaren were the winners of this 'game', building vast tunnels underground to escape their harsh environment, and who's firceness and toughness allowed them to overpower the other species. The other creatures - failed experiments - were not so lucky, and the collossal skeletons of one such race remain, littered across the desert as a reminder of this.

That's really good... covers a lot, makes the Knaaren very human. I agree with the relative 'youth' and inexperience of the Leptys, if only because of his mythological connotations, although I don't think he put the Knaaren straight onto Rayman's world - they are so different to the other species, and if Leptys is a god, why can't he conjure up a world for them?

My own little speculative theory *yaaaaaaawn* is that Leptys has his own planet, full of things he's created, in a distant corner of the universe without a sun - the creatures have no need for oxygen, or ammonia, or vegetables, etc. Besides, Leptys protects them from anything harmful with his power, like a kind of mystical atmosphere. At some point, he makes a friendly deal with Polukus to place a colony of Knaaren - the species most adaptable to life on another planet, and his favourites - on Rayman's world, in return for something ... and the Knaaren adapt how they can to the harsh environment allocated to them.

[Romagia]

And now, some random speculative ranting! This is just me going off little else but my own imagination, so only read if you're interested.
A Theory on the Knaaren's Origins:
The Leptys planned to make a tough, strong, resilient species. While he has many powers of creation, but he was not in complete mastery of them and was unsure how to go about making this species, especially since they would inevitably share his weakness to the sun. So he made a number of different races and deliberately put them in a harsh, unforgiving desert to test them, pitting them against each other in a 'game' of Natural Selection; survival of the fittest. It was, in essence an experiment to find out what worked and what didn't. The Knnaren were the winners of this 'game', building vast tunnels underground to escape their harsh environment, and who's firceness and toughness allowed them to overpower the other species. The other creatures - failed experiments - were not so lucky, and the collossal skeletons of one such race remain, littered across the desert as a reminder of this.
EDIT: The Knaaren Arena could be a homage to this, pitting people against each other to see who the strongest is.

That makes sense, given the fact that there are ghosts in the knareen dungeons.

[PluMGMK]

If Polokus were to make a deal like that, why wouldn't he just put all his nightmares there instead of making a Cave on his own planet?

[Spanex]

here is my random speculative rant...

I believe the Leptys isn't really a god. (the word god has never been mentioned either in the game if my memory serves) Rather a demigod in fact. According to the knowledge of the world, even the Knaaren are creations of Polokus, perhaps made from a nightmare. Polokus is said to be the one who created the entire world and it's inhabitants. Perhaps the other gods are 'demigods' and have smaller purposes than Polokus himself. Somewhat like descendants with no power to create, but alter things, each worshipped by different races for their unique powers.

The Leptys is called "bringer of night", which would make me think he controls the daytime and nighttime of the world, and occasionally caused an eclipse, but not more. The Knaaren loved darkness, and started worshipping the Leptys for 'bringing the night' to them, allowing them to hunt in the desert outside. Eventually, they started to believe the Leptys created them, and from then on also nicknamed him "father of the knaaren people".

PS...with this all I'm starting to think Knaaren are vampires...*GASP* What if they sparkle aswell!? HOLY CARP!

[spiraldoor]

My own little speculative theory *yaaaaaaawn* is that Leptys has his own planet, full of things he's created, in a distant corner of the universe without a sun - the creatures have no need for oxygen, or ammonia, or vegetables, etc. Besides, Leptys protects them from anything harmful with his power, like a kind of mystical atmosphere. At some point, he makes a friendly deal with Polukus to place a colony of Knaaren - the species most adaptable to life on another planet, and his favourites - on Rayman's world, in return for something ... and the Knaaren adapt how they can to the harsh environment allocated to them.

I don’t know about a friendly deal with Polokus, but you’re absolutely right in suggesting that the Leptys has his own planet. Or nebula, or pocket-dimension, or whatever it is. It manifests itself above the Tower of the Leptys when Reflux uses the Sceptre. It’s made of clouds and weird eyes on stalks and things like that.

I've thought of a possible alternative theory for the origin of the Knaaren: The Leptys mated with a female creation of Polokus (for example, a fairy), and the Knaaren were the result. This would allow for the Knaaren to be considered creations of Polokus, while literally making the Leptys the ‘father of the Knaaren people’. Another idea I had is that the Leptys took creatures created by Polokus and twisted them into the Knaaren, but I haven’t developed that theory much.

The Leptys is called "bringer of night", which would make me think he controls the daytime and nighttime of the world, and occasionally caused an eclipse, but not more. The Knaaren loved darkness, and started worshipping the Leptys for 'bringing the night' to them, allowing them to hunt in the desert outside. Eventually, they started to believe the Leptys created them, and from then on also nicknamed him "father of the knaaren people".

If the Leptys is actually a night-god, and he does have some connection with the moons of Rayman's world, then that might explain how Rayman is not a creation of Polokus. Rayman Origins shows that Rayman was ‘Conjured from the magnificent moonbeams of the second summer solstice’, so if the Leptys is a moon-god, it might not be much of a stretch to suggest that Rayman is actually a creation of the Leptys...

Another thing: what the hell is the ‘second summer solstice’?! I think it must have something to do with the two suns. Since Rayman’s planet is orbiting a binary star-system, then I suppose it must experience two simultaneous ‘years’. The day during which the large sun is visible for the longest period of time is the ‘first summer solstice’, and the day during which the second sun is visible for the longest period of time is the ‘second summer solstice’, Rayman’s birthday.