Lore thread

[Spanex]

I'm not making knowledge 'less powerful'...I'm just saying it would make more sense if the heart was composed of every kind of lum. This is'nt the whole universe we are talking about, but a planet.

As for the super yellow lums, they seem orange, but they're really yellow, because they also act like yellow lums.

[EvanEDavies]

Alright then, I give in, if so many folks disagree with me

[Haruka]

Speaking about Super Yellow Lums, they don't appear on Rayman Revolution. I believe it's for a more obvious reason: if the Heart of the World is composed by 1000 Yellow Lums then it is 1000 Yellow Lums until the last count. I know that Super Yellow Lums are the equivalent to 5 Yellow Lums but in other terms it's just "one" being catched. (Let's see if you are understanding my point of view) Maybe they don't exist on RR because in this way is more logical.

[spiraldoor]

I'm not making knowledge 'less powerful'...I'm just saying it would make more sense if the heart was composed of every kind of lum. This is'nt the whole universe we are talking about, but a planet.

That’s not necessarily the case. I view the Heart of the World as the centre of Rayman’s entire universe. If we accept that the Red, Blue and Purple Lums are creations of the Yellow Lums, then the Heart must be the centre of the universe, but there are plenty of alternative interpretations.

Yellow Lums are the 1000 fragments of the Heart of the World broken by the Pirates

According to this statement, the Heart is made of Yellow Lums. There are plenty of other lines in the game which reinforce this. I really don’t think there are any other Lums in there.

First, you must know that the universe is made of energy. Everything that moves around you, everything that lives and thinks is given life by the tiny magical lights which we call... Lums.

This seems to point towards the idea of everything being ultimately derived from Lums. Blue Lums are the first breath, perhaps the quintessence of life itself. Red Lum are health and vitality. Purple Lums are what makes matter solid and visible and cohesive. And Yellow Lums are knowledge, information, the most fundamental building-block of reality.

There are 4 types of Lums. The most important ones are the Yellow Lums. There are 1000 of them. The Yellow Lums give knowledge to those who gather them and can also open doors into unknown places...

Here we have an outright statement that there are only 1000 Yellow Lums. I don’t think it’s really up for debate, but everyone can feel free to disagree with me.

One day, the Lums focused themselves into thought, and their consciousness brought to life a strange and marvellous creature, Polokus. His power is such that his smallest dream or desire becomes reality.

The Lums created Polokus, and, therefore, everything that Polokus created through his dreams is ultimately derived from the Lums. I believe that all four primordial Lum-types contributed to his creation. The Purple Lums created the matter which forms Polokus’s body, the Blue Lums gave him his life, the Red Lums sustain it and the Yellow Lums are the fundamental force that underlies all of them. I think it’s very likely that the Heart of the World (which is made purely of Yellow Lums) continues to constantly churn out Red, Blue and Purple Lums. This fits in with Murfy’s statement in Rayman 3, ‘The Heart is where all the world’s energy comes from’. It also provides a solid explanation for how exactly it ‘provides and maintains the harmony and balance in the world’. I believe that the gods fought for the Heart of the World at the dawn of time (as we are told in the Globox Disc), and I believe that Polokus was triumphant, and set the Heart on his own world, the Glade of Dreams, effectively making himself the greatest of all the gods. Had André succeeded in corrupting the Heart, I think that the Heart would have started churning out Black Lums instead of Red Lums, and perhaps churned out corrupted Purple and Blue Lums, too. After all, we saw corrupted Purple Lums in Rayman 1.

[Jewish Candy]

The evil hangy-things (for want of a better word) aren't necessarily Purple Lums. It's my opinion that they are a flying, ring-shaped species of bird . Or something. Lums don't have bird wings in any of the Rayman games where lums were mentioned.
If they had been purple lums, AND corrupted, surely we would've seen little holes in space-time dotted around the levels they appeared in? And need I point out that neither type of hangy-thing was actually purple?

[PluMGMK]

Pink = Light Purple

[Jewish Candy]

Pink = light red
Lilac = light purple.

[spiraldoor]

It's really obvious that Purple Lums were based on flying rings. They look almost exactly the same and they function exactly the same. The wings of one looking feathery and the other looking insectile is the only real difference, and it's a stylistic change more than anything else. The Purple Lums in R3 GBA look way more different, but they're still called Purple Lums. Lums all have weird little eyes in the PS1 version, and I think the difference between two eyes and no eyes is more significant than the difference between feathery wings and membraney (word?) wings. Just because they were corrupted doesn't mean they want to tear the fabric of the universe apart, and even if they did, there were still far more good Purple Lums who would work against them.

And look, here's a Purple Lum with bird-like wings in the mobile phone version of RRR1:

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[Jewish Candy]

I see your point about it being a stylistic choice. But in the end, there seems to be very little which is held 'sacred' in the eyes of Ubi regarding Rayman, so that argument could apply to all lore-ish tidbits. The fact that there are lums on Rayman 2 could be called a stylistic choice (as opposed to electoons), but we wouldn't consider them the same as electoons... granted they look different, but you see what I'm trying to say; the hangies could be purplies, but I doubt it.

And yes, a corrupted purple lum would rip holes in space-time. Just as a nuclear reaction spreads, or a black hole expands...

[Spanex]

I think it’s very likely that the Heart of the World (which is made purely of Yellow Lums) continues to constantly churn out Red, Blue and Purple Lums.

That makes better sense than my idea. You forgot the green lums, by the way.

[spiraldoor]

I see your point about it being a stylistic choice. But in the end, there seems to be very little which is held 'sacred' in the eyes of Ubi regarding Rayman, so that argument could apply to all lore-ish tidbits.

Indeed – they seem to have retconned Rayman's origin-story from being found by fishermen to being created by a fairy. I think I like that change though...

The fact that there are lums on Rayman 2 could be called a stylistic choice (as opposed to electoons), but we wouldn't consider them the same as electoons...

I don't think that's a fair comparison. Flying rings and Purple Lums look extremely similar and have the exact same function. Electoons look completely different from Lums and don't have a similar function at all.

You forgot the green lums, by the way.

I left them out deliberately. They weren't mentioned in the Knowledge of the World, so we don't really know what they really are or where they come from. I can only assume that they're artificially created, like the Silver Lums. They weren't around at the time when Polokus was being created, at least.

[Jewish Candy]

The fact that there are lums on Rayman 2 could be called a stylistic choice (as opposed to electoons), but we wouldn't consider them the same as electoons...

I don't think that's a fair comparison. Flying rings and Purple Lums look extremely similar and have the exact same function. Electoons look completely different from Lums and don't have a similar function at all.

They're both cute!!! I tend to group the chibis in my mind. But no, you're right. I concede defeat.

[Joshua822]

Firstly, I'm sorry to interrupt, I didn't read the whole thread.

But I'd just like to tell you all about my ideas concerning the supposed invincibility of the Knaaren. It's pretty simple: the Knaaren aren't invincible. Firstly think about what the teensie says to Rayman about the Knaaren: they're invincible. Does this mean that they really are ? It could mean that, but it doesn't have to. The teensie could also just be saying that as a way of saying that the Knaaren are really, really strong creatures. This is emphasized by the facts that the supposed invincibility of the Knaaren is mentioned nowhere else in the game as far as I can recall, and that the arena fights the Knaaren hold would not have any point if there couldn't be any winners or losers.

So why was Rayman able to beat Reflux and was he unable to beat Knaaren in the tunnels ? If you ask me it's because the Knaaren in the tunnels were with many, calm and were completely focused on Rayman. Now, Reflux on the other hand was only with myself, he was distracted by all the noise of the audience, and threw all his energy out, even if he didn't know where Rayman was ( for example, when Rayman is climbing on the sides of the arena platform ). This made him tired and in the end weak, and that's why Rayman had a chance to beat him.

These are just some thoughts I'm having, I think they're pretty correct, but of course, correct me if I'm wrong about some things

[Spanex]

So why was Rayman able to beat Reflux and was he unable to beat Knaaren in the tunnels ? If you ask me it's because the Knaaren in the tunnels were with many, calm and were completely focused on Rayman. Now, Reflux on the other hand was only with myself, he was distracted by all the noise of the audience, and threw all his energy out, even if he didn't know where Rayman was ( for example, when Rayman is climbing on the sides of the arena platform ). This made him tired and in the end weak, and that's why Rayman had a chance to beat him.

These are just some thoughts I'm having, I think they're pretty correct, but of course, correct me if I'm wrong about some things

Good point. He does get exhausted a few times, but you always aim for the staff he holds, not anywhere physically hurting.
Now that I mention his staff, has anyone else noticed sometimes you can actually beat the staff out of his hands? He flails his arms like mad and then calls it back like a Jedi using the force, or something. XD This usually happens to me just before he uses a firestorm.

[Jewish Candy]

Wow, massive bump, Joshie... I think the majority of us came to the conclusion that those magic-shield things produced by the Knaaren were the main reason behind their apparent 'invincibility', especially in the eyes of the Teensies. We also attributed Reflux's power to his staff, and later the sceptre. But I like your idea about him throwing all the energy out.

I noticed that staff thing too, Spanex. There are these yellow beams of light that link him to the staff way up in the air - does that show some kind of 'spirit' link? That would explain why hurting the staff hurts Reflux.

[PluMGMK]

Yes. He can't be hurt at all when this happens.

[Spanex]

Maybe Knaaren develop some bond with their weapon of choice? I dunno. It explains why Reflux attaches the sceptre's gem to his staff; so he can use it better. Even though he nerd-rages later and lunges it into his back instead.

[Rsandee]

His airborne forme was epic, notice that he makes the exact same energy field at the black orb as normal knaarren normally do.
I really think they get that sort of power from the Leptys (as i said on the first page), Spiral also said that Knaarren tend to be evil, and teensie's good.
Actually, Knaarren's live in the desert, and the Teensie's always live in watery places, you can see alot of water in the Longest Shortcut, and windmills.

So, Knaarren's like Fire and live underground.
And Teensie's like water and live on the surface.

It's like they're the opposite.

[Jewish Candy]

Spanex's point is a good one, as the Knaaren seem to live to fight.



Oh my god. Bonding with a weapon, 'slaying the Krayt dragon'... Knaaren = Sand People. And their "raawghr" noises too.

[Joshua822]

Good points about the Knaarens' weapons. That "band" between a Knaaren and its weapon explains a lot.

Now, from my theory and keeping that band in mind I think there are two directions we can go to: a weapon gets weaker if a Knaaren gets weaker and a Knaaren needs its energy to use the weapon, or a Knaaren is invincible except for the fact that if it's weapon gets weaker the Knaaren itself gets weaker.