Rayman 2

[PluMGMK]

how the hell was I meant to know that I was supposed to shoot at the piranhas?

I never shot the piranhas.

[spiraldoor]

All I can find are some other Raydragon arguments. If you could provide the direct link I'll look into it. As far as I can remember (and as far as I knew at the time), Raydragon never argued that the second and third game were set in the same universe.

Here is the thread in question. Raydragon argued at length that Rayman 1 took place in another universe, but nobody ever argued that Rayman 2 and 3 were set in different universes, as you seem to think he did.

It was an instruction. An instruction which required no response other than an understanding. But if you'd like to debate about the multi-layered levels of 'experience' of the game then I'm more than happy to commit myself to this.

You asked me to ‘draw a line between ‘understand’ and ‘discuss in great detail’’. Now you tell me that you didn’t want me to post an actual response, but rather to meditate on your ‘instruction’? I don’t think it was reasonable of you to assume that I would know that you did not want me to respond to your ‘instruction’.

Assuming that you’re not joking, I certainly wouldn’t mind a discussion about the ‘experience’ of gaming.

I never argued about it; you were the one who primarily brought me into this discussion by mentioning the Rayman 1 map.

I made a single offhand reference to the Rayman 1 map in a discussion about the Hall of Doors. This reference was completely apt, as it was meant to do no more than draw attention to the entirely relevant near-identicality of the R1 map and the Hall in terms of the gameplay function they provide. I noted that you may not understand this gameplay reference, as you had not played the game in question and had given me significant reason to doubt your knowledge of it, as I have explained above. A page later, you picked out this quote and in doing so started a discussion about how it annoyed you.

I don’t think I can be held responsible for your presence in this discussion.

I never shot the piranhas.

What the hell? How did you finish the level without shooting the piranhas to scare them away from the air bubbles?

[Jewish Candy]

Spiral, you need to be quick and grab the blue lums/air bubbles before they do... Though shooting makes things easier.

[El Dango]

How is it possible to swim that fast then?

[Jewish Candy]

Plan your route beforehand. It's easier to shoot but you don't need to if you USEZ UR BRAINZ

[Xenon]

I seem to remember avoiding some bubbles to 'shortcut' my route, but I didn't know it was possible to get through the entire part without killing any piranhas. Interesting

Here is the thread in question. Raydragon argued at length that Rayman 1 took place in another universe, but nobody ever argued that Rayman 2 and 3 were set in different universes, as you seem to think he did.

That seems reasonable. I must have missed that point. However, I still question your thinking about me making such a fundamental mistake. Yes, I misconceived an argument put forward by Raydragon (and let's be honest, this is understandable ), but having posted tens of thousands of messages here and being a member for five years, do you really think I could have somehow overlooked this elementary difference between R1 and the other games?

You asked me to ‘draw a line between ‘understand’ and ‘discuss in great detail’’. Now you tell me that you didn’t want me to post an actual response, but rather to meditate on your ‘instruction’? I don’t think it was reasonable of you to assume that I would know that you did not want me to respond to your ‘instruction’.

There wasn't much to reply to and I required no written response, so no. I simply drew a differentiation between the knowledge required to discuss R1 in depth and my own personal knowledge as explained, and understanding your intellectual capabilities asked you to do the same! Case closed!

I made a single offhand reference to the Rayman 1 map in a discussion about the Hall of Doors. This reference was completely apt, as it was meant to do no more than draw attention to the entirely relevant near-identicality of the R1 map and the Hall in terms of the gameplay function they provide. I noted that you may not understand this gameplay reference, as you had not played the game in question and had given me significant reason to doubt your knowledge of it, as I have explained above. A page later, you picked out this quote and in doing so started a discussion about how it annoyed you.

I don’t think I can be held responsible for your presence in this discussion.

You said "Nonetheless I don’t think that anyone should argue about a game they’ve not experienced", presumably implying that I did this. I have not argued about Rayman 1, I have argued about my knowledge of the game, which is of course completely different.

[spiraldoor]

That seems reasonable. I must have missed that point. However, I still question your thinking about me making such a fundamental mistake. Yes, I misconceived an argument put forward by Raydragon (and let's be honest, this is understandable ), but having posted tens of thousands of messages here and being a member for five years, do you really think I could have somehow overlooked this elementary difference between R1 and the other games?

Stranger things have certainly happened. I had no real way to gauge your interest in Rayman 1 (without bringing the subject to your attention, which I eventually did), apart from the fact that you haven’t been motivated to play it even after all these years. The thought that you completely misinterpreted the core point of the argument we took part in at RaymanZone didn’t occur to me, but then again, I didn’t give it a great deal of thought to begin with, as I did not expect the ensuing discussion to drag out for this long.

There wasn't much to reply to and I required no written response, so no. I simply drew a differentiation between the knowledge required to discuss R1 in depth and my own personal knowledge as explained, and understanding your intellectual capabilities asked you to do the same! Case closed!

I assumed at the time that you wished for a response, so I reflected that I was unable to give one. Yes, case closed.

You said "Nonetheless I don’t think that anyone should argue about a game they’ve not experienced", presumably implying that I did this. I have not argued about Rayman 1, I have argued about my knowledge of the game, which is of course completely different.

The statement you’ve quoted was part of my response to your response to my attempted answer to your instruction that I ‘draw a line between ‘understand’ and ‘discuss in great detail’’. My underlying point was that videogames are such ‘interactive and multisensory experiences’ that while somebody may be able to ‘understand’ them without playing them, they cannot ‘discuss in great detail’ an experience they have not had. The statement was intended in a broader and more general sense, and was not meant to specifically relate to any one person and game. As with above, I didn’t contemplate my statement or its implications for very long, as that would make the writing of such lengthy posts within a short while impossible. I apologise for the misunderstanding.

[Xenon]

It happens to the best of us, and apology accepted. In the future make sure you ask me about anything I post that seems peculiar before making such assumptions. I'm sure you can understand why I took offence to your thoughts.

Anyway yes, let's get back to Rayman 2.

[phj]

I didn't knew it was possible to kill those piranhas. Shooting slows down a lot underwater.

[Jewish Candy]

That's why it's best not to bother

And I'd love to know what the 'least known part of the Netherlands' is.

[spiraldoor]

I found this on Rayman Fanpage. It looks like a different version of the map of the Glade of Dreams. It’s more colourful, the Prison Ship appears to be on the left of the map rather than the top, and the Archipelago has been replaced by a single large island in the bottom-left. Has anyone seen a larger version of this map anywhere?

[Marley]

I found this on Rayman Fanpage. It looks like a different version of the map of the Glade of Dreams. It’s more colourful, the Prison Ship appears to be on the left of the map rather than the top, and the Archipelago has been replaced by a single large island in the bottom-left. Has anyone seen a larger version of this map anywhere?

I think I have, but the quality was terrible. I don't remember it being much bigger than that either, so I can't help you sorry... wait!
Isn't there a bigger version on the RayWiki? ...no, that's a different one, isn't it? DAMN! They look so similar. I think the one you found might be the same, but with minor colour alterations around the watery areas and border, but I'm not totally sure.

[Droolie]

Actually, the only 'other' map I know of is the map in the textures of the Isle of Doors in the Dreamcast version. That reminds me, I still need to rip that one and put it online.

[Rsandee]

Wait, isn't it possible to port Rayman Revolution to the gamecube?
It would help me since i have a wii.

[Haruka]

Remember that Gamecube uses Mini-DVDs which contain around 1GB plus some megabytes. I don't believe that reducing the graphical quality of the game would be enough to fit on the GC disk.

[Rsandee]

Could we make an wii exclusive RR then?
As an .gc file, i don't think that's possible but it's an question.

[spiraldoor]

Actually, the only 'other' map I know of is the map in the textures of the Isle of Doors in the Dreamcast version. That reminds me, I still need to rip that one and put it online.

I’ve been meaning to ask you about that for a few days now. Since the Isle of Doors is a sort of miniature version of the Glade of Dreams, it would be fascinating to have the texture by itself and compare it to the actual map.

[Marley]

It could explain why there's more water on the map he found. Imean, the Isle of Doors has TONS of water, while the Glade of Dreams... not so much, only really in the Dreamcast version.

[Henchman1028]

The music in the PS1 version is the best, though.

[Marley]

You mean the music in the PSone, PC and Dreamcast versions? (and a bit with Rayman Revolution, too)