Lore thread

[Hunchman801]

The problem I have with this though is that Reflux is supposed to be the Knaaren champion, implying that he can outmatch the others. How could he do that if they are all invincible and he has a glaring weakness?

Well, nothing tells us he actually battled the other Knaaren with his sceptre: after all, I would rather except them to fight each other with their bare hands...

Grotesque?! That's a bit mean. They breathe fire and rarely move in a direct line forward; instead they bounce around you till you defeat them.

Haha, please don't take it personally Whoever made this up is to blame

I agree it makes little sense, but then the name Globox makes absolutely NO sense at all.

It's a proper name though

[Jewish Candy]

Haha, please don't take it personally Whoever made this up is to blame

Doesn't stop it being meeeeeeean

[Globox] is a proper name though

So is Fire-Crab. At least in English it's considered so

[Hunchman801]

Well it's the [weird and made-up] name of a species actually (and it shouldn't be capitalised), not a proper noun.

[Jewish Candy]

Unknown species ARE proper nouns. Or my education has failed me. Besides, we capitalise Knaaren.

This is rather off-topic, methinks.

[Haruka]

One thing I still cannot understand is why Razorbeard is so physically and psychologicaly changed on the Animated Series. I think they screwed up the character.

Maybe they did those changes to give more flexibility on facial expressions? But why he had to act like a idiot on the series anyway? It's a huge contrast between the real Razorbeard from R2 and the Razorbeard from the Animated Series.

[bunnieblaster]

Something completely different: anyone noted the mini jano arms coming out of a cage in the beginning of rayman 2?

[spiraldoor]

Créole (with an acute accent) is French, Creolischer is German.

Could you tell us what those words mean? Google Translate can’t.

Well, nothing tells us he actually battled the other Knaaren with his sceptre: after all, I would rather except them to fight each other with their bare hands...

This reminds me, there’s a paragraph about Reflux in the Rayman 3 dossier:

Champion incontesté des Knaaren, Reflux conquiert son premier titre de championlors de la saison des 2 pleines lunes. Depuis, il a enchaîné 28 victoires par KO. Aucun Knaaren n'osant encore se confronter à lui, Reflux ne trouve d'adversaires que dans les rares prisonniers capturés aux alentours du désert.

Will you translate this too? I’m not sure if it’s at all relevant to the discussion, but I can tell there’s some interesting information there.

[Hunchman801]

Unknown species ARE proper nouns. Or my education has failed me. Besides, we capitalise Knaaren.

Well, according to Wikipedia:

Proper nouns (also called proper names) are nouns representing unique entities (such as London, Jupiter, or Toyota), as distinguished from common nouns which describe a class of entities (such as city, planet, person or car).

Knaaren is a totally made-up name (hence the capital I suppose) but 'fire crab' is still made of two existing words... oh well, who cares?

This is rather off-topic, methinks.

That's what's good ;P

[Jewish Candy]

Fire-Crab is compounded, and so could be considered to be the same as Knaaren... meh. Why do I always end up caring about these things?
Anyhoo...

[Hunchman801]

Sorry Spiral, I missed your post.

Créole (with an acute accent) is French, Creolischer is German.

Could you tell us what those words mean? Google Translate can’t.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creole

This reminds me, there’s a paragraph about Reflux in the Rayman 3 dossier:

Champion incontesté des Knaaren, Reflux conquiert son premier titre de championlors de la saison des 2 pleines lunes. Depuis, il a enchaîné 28 victoires par KO. Aucun Knaaren n'osant encore se confronter à lui, Reflux ne trouve d'adversaires que dans les rares prisonniers capturés aux alentours du désert.

Will you translate this too? I’m not sure if it’s at all relevant to the discussion, but I can tell there’s some interesting information there.

Undisputed Knaaren champion, Reflux wins his first champion title during the season 2 of the full moons. Since then, he has won by KO 28 times in a row. No Knaaren daring to stand up against him, Reflux does only find opponents in the rare prisoners captured around the desert.

[PluMGMK]

season 2 of the full moons

You mean the season of the 2 full moons.

[Hunchman801]

Yeah of course, I was at work struggling with their pre-historical computer when I typed this.

[PowerPatrick]

The pirate leader; he is famous throughout the galaxy for reducing over one hundred peaceful planets to cosmic dust. Don’t be fooled by his pathetic and silly appearance – his ferocity is unmatched. His dream? Overrun Rayman’s world and reduce its inhabitants to slavery...

And this makes me wonder if some of the planets, beyond from those that were destroyed, could have been spared and colonized by some of the Robo-Pirates... This would also make a great fanstory about Rayman being in space, if he had to rescue some of them.

[Sabertooth]

I'm not sure if this has to do with lore precisely, but rather continuity. This is just a commonly debated section of the canon that I'd like to get my theory out for:

The André in Rayman 3 is not the same André in Rayman: Hoodlums' Revenge.

Although it has been debated numerous times, I still believe that the final scene from Rayman 3 was a flashback, not a cliffhanger. You can tell because it's made clear that the moons (yeah, why are there two moons?) are in drastically different positions at the start of the game than the end. Therefore, André is still a red lum as of the end of Rayman 3.

But that leads me to Rayman: Hoodlums' Revenge, and yes, I do believe that this game is canon (if Rayman 1 can be explained into continuity, this certainly can). A lot of sources claim that André "returned" in this game and Rayman had to fight him off again. But no- if you pay close attention to the dialogue, it's implied that after André left Globox's stomach, he left behind a piece of himself. This piece of him is not the same André that was currently floating around as a red lum at that time, but rather a divided part of his soul that he left just in case Reflux failed. He somehow called back the black lums (magic damn you) and the hoodlums returned to resurrect Reflux using plumjuice. Rayman defeated Reflux for the sixth time, André's soul was cast out of Globox, and they carried on with their lives.

So while it is unclear as to what exactly happened to Mister Dark and Razorbeard, I'm fairly certain that André is still a nonvocal, innocent red lum floating around in the Fairy Council.

One last thing: while this has nothing to do with my theory, I think that we should forget all about Raving Rabbids 1-TV Party and instead consider the GBA RRR canon in their place. Who's with me on this?

[Tulio]

About Razorbeard... Maybe this scrapped plot about Rigatoni and his circus is at at least quite lore-correct? It's possible that after Buccaneer destruction Razorbeard escaped through the intergalactic/whatever portal back to his employer... I bet Raz wouldn't like to visit his wife after so embarassing defeat, everything is better than this.

[spiraldoor]

I'm not sure if this has to do with lore precisely, but rather continuity. This is just a commonly debated section of the canon that I'd like to get my theory out for:

The André in Rayman 3 is not the same André in Rayman: Hoodlums' Revenge.

Although it has been debated numerous times, I still believe that the final scene from Rayman 3 was a flashback, not a cliffhanger. You can tell because it's made clear that the moons (yeah, why are there two moons?) are in drastically different positions at the start of the game than the end. Therefore, André is still a red lum as of the end of Rayman 3.

But that leads me to Rayman: Hoodlums' Revenge, and yes, I do believe that this game is canon (if Rayman 1 can be explained into continuity, this certainly can). A lot of sources claim that André "returned" in this game and Rayman had to fight him off again. But no- if you pay close attention to the dialogue, it's implied that after André left Globox's stomach, he left behind a piece of himself. This piece of him is not the same André that was currently floating around as a red lum at that time, but rather a divided part of his soul that he left just in case Reflux failed. He somehow called back the black lums (magic damn you) and the hoodlums returned to resurrect Reflux using plumjuice. Rayman defeated Reflux for the sixth time, André's soul was cast out of Globox, and they carried on with their lives.

So while it is unclear as to what exactly happened to Mister Dark and Razorbeard, I'm fairly certain that André is still a nonvocal, innocent red lum floating around in the Fairy Council.

André was not physically present in Globox’s body during the events of Rayman: Hoodlums’ Revenge. It seems that he detatched a portion of his soul before the Teensie doctors could extract him, and this portion gained consciousness at some point while André’s physical form was floating around somewhere as a Red Lum. The soul fragment gradually took possession of Globox and turned him into a Reflux clone. When Rayman defeated it, the soul fragment (which is now seen for the first time, and looks like a glowing orb of purple mist) fled, possibly to rejoin the Red Lum that is André and merge with it, opening the way for André to return in a future game.

One last thing: while this has nothing to do with my theory, I think that we should forget all about Raving Rabbids 1-TV Party and instead consider the GBA RRR canon in their place. Who's with me on this?

I’m all for forgetting that RRR1–TV Party were ever developed, but I’m not sure if RRR1 GBA is really a worthy installment in the series. As a game, it’s mediocre. As far as continuity goes, it has a weak story and fucks around with the number of Lums.

I would be willing to accept it as canonical if someone could come up with a good theory explaining why there appear to by 1550 Lums instead of 1000. That’a pretty blatant contridiction of Rayman 2.

I also think it’s possible that R3 GBA is canon and takes place between R2 and R3.

[bunnieblaster]

I think the only canonical games are just Rayman 1, 2 and 3.

[ParadoxJuice]

I think the canon is Ubisoft doesn't care or think about this as much as we do.

[Sabertooth]

André was not physically present in Globox’s body during the events of Rayman: Hoodlums’ Revenge. It seems that he detatched a portion of his soul before the Teensie doctors could extract him, and this portion gained consciousness at some point while André’s physical form was floating around somewhere as a Red Lum. The soul fragment gradually took possession of Globox and turned him into a Reflux clone. When Rayman defeated it, the soul fragment (which is now seen for the first time, and looks like a glowing orb of purple mist) fled, possibly to rejoin the Red Lum that is André and merge with it, opening the way for André to return in a future game.

Exactly.

I’m all for forgetting that RRR1–TV Party were ever developed, but I’m not sure if RRR1 GBA is really a worthy installment in the series. As a game, it’s mediocre. As far as continuity goes, it has a weak story and fucks around with the number of Lums.

Fair enough.

I also think it’s possible that R3 GBA is canon and takes place between R2 and R3.

Yes, R3 GBA and Rayman: Hoodlums' Revenge can easily be considered canon. A lot of people don't consider them because they have weak stories, but they're handheld spin-offs, so what do you expect?

I think the canon is Ubisoft doesn't care or think about this as much as we do.

That is also very true, but as a fandom, we have to sort these things out.

[PluMGMK]

Explain how R3 GBA can be cannon.