He called my entire argument ‘utter bullshit’ and provided absolutely no support for his statement. To say that my most carefully-reasoned and well-thought-out arguments are ‘utter bullshit’ is most definitely an insult to my intelligence. You claim that I said that I was ‘one-hundred per cent correct that the Dreamcast version is better in every way’; you are completely and utterly wrong. I never said that. What I said was that I am 100% certain that the Dreamcast version looks better. I specifically stated this twice in the space of the paragraph from which you are quoting, and it is highly ignorant of you to make such outrageous and obviously false accusations. I stand by my statement that the Dreamcast version looks better than Revolution; having played through both versions many times, I have absolutely no doubt that this is the case. I don’t know what makes you think I am ‘insensitive’ (not to mention the most insensitive person you have never met). You do not know me at all and this is a completely incorrect assessment of my personality with no evidence to back it up.RayFan9876 wrote:You are honestly the most insensitive person I have ever met. He didn't insult your intellegence, he said that what you said is complete crap, probably because of the strange your-opinion-is-the-truth way you talk about things. You even just proved at the bottom of your most recent post that everyone is entitled to your opinion by literally saying that you know that you are one-hundred percent correct that the Dreamcast version is better in every way. WTF? To continue on that, read the bottom of my post.
Not all important things revolve around logic? Actually, they do; logic is embedded in the fabric of the universe, but that isn’t relevant so never mind. Calling someone ‘pre-pubescent’ is not the ‘the worst attack/insult you can commit’; that’s utterly ridiculous. Everyone on the planet is pre-pubescent at some stage in their lives, and I would say that the vast majority of them get teased or insulted over it at some point. It’s one of the mildest insults in existence. Personal, specific insults are far, far worse. I have been called many things, both on this forum and in real life, which were highly offensive, personal and specific to me. Being called ‘pre-pubescent’ is a walk in the park by comparison, and you’re blowing it ridiculously out of proportion. You also completely miss (or avoid) the implications of the other post I linked to; it was not posted for ‘informative’ reasons, as can clearly be seen from its context. It is just as ‘offensive’ as my comment to iHeckler (not offensive at all, in other words, except in your view).RayFan9876 wrote:You also miss over every single important thing on the planet that doesn't revolve around logic. Calling him pre-pubescent in the form of being informative is completely harmless, but in the form of an attack/insult, it's the worst kind of attack/insult you can commit. You seem to be unable to distinguish between what you say, what you mean, and what it perceived.
iHeckler provoked me deliberately. Winding me up is a habit of his. His initial response was not ‘innoffensive to-be-expected’; it was quite insulting, as I have explained several times already. If you use derogatory terms to bluntly denounce my carefully-constructed thoughts without even providing any intelligent response of your own, you can bet I will take it personally. If he had been remotely polite or intelligent in his response, I would not have responded with my mild retort. You may have ‘mentioned’ this to Stacey but I doubt you harassed her for multiple pages over it. And no, for Christ’s sake, calling someone ‘pre-pubescent’ is utterly unlike attacking a rape victim. That’s more like attacking a person who’s been robbed or injured. Unless you define ‘principle’ as ‘whether something is in one’s control’, in which case calling someone ‘pre-pubescent’ and attacking a rape victim are vaguely similar, but you still aren’t making a valid statement by comparing the two, even with the arbitrary conditions your comparison requires.RayFan9876 wrote:"He deliberately provoked me:"
OH THAT'S NICE, SIR. He provoked me with an inoffensive to-be-expected response, so I have the right to act like a complete insensitive jackass. Cool story. The appearance of bashing something will easily provoke that kind of response. INTERESTINGLY ENOUGH, that kind of response does not harm or talk about you as a person, it technically just says that what you are saying is being completely disagreed with. Your response attacked him as a person, which is just never okay. You say I've never mentioned this to Stacey? Well actually I have.
"Saying that someone is ‘pre-pubescent’ is nothing like insulting a rape victim:"
It's exactly IN PRINCIPLE like insulting a rape victim.
Please stop this branch of the argument right now; it isn’t going anywhere.RayFan9876 wrote:I don't think you understand how dialogue works: if someone says something, whether the person appears to be trying to be subjective or not completely depends on how the person says what he/she is trying to say. Unfortunately, if you read over what you type, you will see that everything you say sounds entirely like you're spreading your opinion as hard fact... until we found out that IS what you're doing. Refer to the last part of your most recent post.
Being subjective isn't an on and off switch where not being subjective means to not put anything saying it's your opinion, and being subjective means putting IMHO at the end of every sentence. It all matters in the way you type. A simple "this is my opinion..." or "this is what I think..." or "I think that..." at the beginning of your post isn't hard, and it clears the path for you to type how ever you want and not sound like you're trying to spread your opinion as fact. Unfortunately you're so strictly logic-based that I can't see how you could possibly understand the difference between perception and intention.
Everything I say is automatically labelled as my opinion, and further labelling is redundant.
You seem to be trying to paint me as a sort of smug self-righteous bastard who thinks that everything he says is utterly correct and that everyone else is a bunch of idiots. None of this has anything whatsoever to do with the matter at hand, and I’ve already made my position clear on that ‘IMO’, ‘IMHO’, ‘I think’, ‘In my opinion’ crap. It’s just not necessary, because everything I say (along with everything you and everyone else say) is obviously and implicitly the opinion of the speaker. If we’re discussing which of two games is better, then the context makes it clear that both of us are speaking our opinions; further ‘IMHO’s are not necessary. If you want the ‘objective’ version of my argument, then you should copy and paste the words ‘In my opinion’ to the beginning of each of my sentences. I’m not going to. There is not more to be said on the matter.
As I have said twice already: these comparison screenshots you keep posting are of terrible quality, looking like blurry, badly-compressed JPEGs taken with a digital camera (which some of them probably are). There’s no use trying to prove anything with them, especially considering that a significant factor in the visual superiority of the Dreamcast version is in its framerate, which is double that of Revolution, and solid where Revolution’s is choppy. Having played both versions of the game many times, I know that the Dreamcast one looks better, and find it perplexing that anyone could think otherwise. I lack the game development terminology that you and Phoenixan have, but it’s easy to tell that the Dreamcast version looks prettier; all one has to do is glance at some high-quality screenshots of both versions. I didn’t say that these screenshots you keep posting were ‘bullshit’ or not ‘legit’, so your denial is curious; ultimately their authenticity is irrelevant, because the screenshots themselves are of such low quality.RayFan9876 wrote:Spiraldoor you can't say that, because it's entirely 100% wrong. The Dreamcast version literally can't be factually better looking than Revolution. Like I said before, the 3D model replacements (okay fine, you don't like those), the much higher-poly characters which can't possibly look worse, dynamic shadows, plus many, many other things. You have every right to say you like the Dreamcast's lighting, or even the entire graphicallity of the game better, but by no means does that cover an objective scale ranging all the way to being a hundred percent sure that everyone shares your self-summoned "facts." A hundred percent? A hundred percent! You can never be a solid hundred-percent sure about anything. But anyways, I hardly see how this (Dreamcast): Looks better than this (Revolution):
And no I'm not bullshitting these screenshots. These are 100% legit screenshots from both of the games I mentioned. Why would I fake it if we're this deep into it? Also to answer your recurring question, yes, I've 100%'d the Dreamcast version twice. Once on a Dreamcast emulator and once on the iPod version (which unfortunately had some missing features, but the graphics are the same).
Of course I can ‘grasp’ the fact that ‘everyone’s feelings are different’ – what on earth makes you think otherwise? I have already discussed the ‘principle meaning’ of what iHeckler and I said at length. You may feel that you should apologise for some of your statements ‘that weren’t correctly said’ are you talking about the iPhone typos? b Is this because I’m ‘too proud’ or ‘actually don’t understand’? No, it’s because I disagree with your assessment of my statements, as I have already discussed endlessly. I don’t see how anything I’ve said deserves to be retracted or apologised for. If I did, I would already have done so.RayFan9876 wrote:Exactly. That's something Spiraldoor can't seem to grasp.
Also I'm just clearing something that I might have said that sounded a little self-opinionated: I wasn't putting my relatively emotional self into the body of iHeckler9, I was just stating the principle meaning of what iHeckler9 did vs Spiraldoor.
Spiral, note that I have apologized on one or two occasions of things I've said that weren't correctly said, but you won't. Either because you're too proud or because you actually don't understand.
The vast majority of your post revolves around attacking me personally, attempting to make me out to be ‘insensitive’, accusing me of ‘bullying’ poor innocent iHeckler with ‘the worst kind of attack/insult I can commit’, attempting to undermine my arguments by criticising my perceived underuse of the word ‘opinion’, and waxing philosophical regarding the subjectivity of the human condition and how certainty is an impossibility. All of this is fun and all, but I hope that we can focus more on actual Rayman-related subjects for the remainder of the discussion.
