Rayman 3D

[Haruka]

Yes, it's a codename for the PSP2, which is going to have a quad core CPU and a quad core GPU, plus an OLED display.

Thanks for telling it me in a resume.

To be honest I only respect Sony's Playstation 1 and 2. I'm not a major fan of PS3 (I feel awkward that will be given priority to it among with Xbox360 for RO's release) and an even less fan of PSP. Sony had to try to copy Nintendo's portable business somehow, even with the movement controllers. I also find a real fail that PSPGO hasn't got retrocompactibility with UMD disks.

I have faith for Nintendo 3DS and I'm completly sure the "Virtual Boy" history will not repeat with this new console.

[PowerPatrick]

This crusade against Sony is silly and will have no effect.

Now this is very subjective from both of us. What it wouldn't have much effect on, is their sales, as long as drones will keep existing, but at least we can try. You didn't even provide me any analysis that could back up on your claim. If we had to take Apple into comparison, you would see that the number of repudiators is impressively high, exactly because of the company's ethics, which will keep them from having too much domination on the market. Remember that this is a matter of principle. One thing we need to do, is to, is to remind them of their own drastic actions that will eliminate most customers trust. At the same time, we need to extend the awareness of their bad reputation in order to keep them from doing too much harm, and to support the innocent people such as geohot, graf_chokolo and around 100 members of the fail0verflow group, as none of them has done anything illegal, but only provided solutions to unlock the freedom for people to use the full potential of their products. And all these hackers are getting sued into hell only as revenge, since they've managed to gather the root key, which results in PS3 being able to be hacked forever. Why shouldn't indie developers be able to construct homebrew games for their own consoles? And why should these creative people be punished for doing so? Anti-piracy isn't even any excuse these days, if it has to restrict our freedom. Remember: What you buy is all yours. There is no one who should force you into some silly rules on how to use it. But this isn't the only time Sony has done something so controversial, if you remember the rootkit case...

[spiraldoor]

I don’t condone boycotts. I don’t intend to give up things I enjoy so I can have a negligible impact on the sales of a corporation whose actions some perceive as morally reprehensible. The sense of righteousness some boycotters have is quite silly. I really don’t care about this Chocula guy or whatever he calls himself. Have you read his statements? They’re embarrassing:

‘If you want me to stop then you should just kill me because I cannot live without programming, HV and Linux kernel hacking You know who am I and where I live, so come and get me!!!’

The guy sounds like a boon with delusions of greatness and an engorged ego. He’s not a freedom fighter; he’s an incoherent geek with too much time on his hands. Hopefully Sony will get that €1,000,000 they’re trying to sue him for and use it to fund a PS3 game or something cool like that. Which I will then purchase. I don’t really care if the PS3 gets hacked or not – if someone wants to make some indie games, there’s always, you know, computers. I don’t see how Sony’s actions are ‘restricting my freedom’ – if they wish to include mechanisms in their console that prevent their games from being pirated, that’s cool with me.

[Raymale]

I'm gonna get sony's new NGP when it comes out this winter, it's going to blow the 3ds out of the water.

Except the 3DS is 3D and it has good games.

1. Long exposure of 3D is proven to cause health problems headaches ect ect.
2. I play video games almost 24/7, with exceptions of doing homework, school, eating, sleeping, social life.
3. 3D gives me headaches.

What's the point of buying a 3DS if your going to toggle off the 3D? The graphics are almost the same as the N64, just a tiny bit smoother.
The NGP's is on the scale of PS3 graphics + I can access everything I've bought on the playstation store for my PSP on it for free (Nintendo's dumbass shop requires you to buy a game for each console you have), so it was a big turnoff to upgrade my XL to a 3DS.
NGP has a high res camera + touchpad input on the back, touchscreen with OLED, 2 *ANALOG STICKS* (ANALOG STICKS, NOT NUBS like the 3ds or the PSP).
I would rather play rayman 2 (ps1).

[El Dango]

1. Long exposure of 3D is proven to cause health problems headaches ect ect.

Only if you're below the age of 7.

[Puruun]

What's the point of buying a 3DS if your going to toggle off the 3D?

Because the production of awesome DS games will stop sooner or later. I have to buy that thing so I can play any awesome game that is going to be released for it. I will never not buy a new Nintendo console again.

I hate not being able to play awesome games ;_;

[PowerPatrick]

I don’t condone boycotts. I don’t intend to give up things I enjoy so I can have a negligible impact on the sales of a corporation whose actions some perceive as morally reprehensible.

Like you couldn't enjoy anything on other platforms? But Sony does make contract with developers in order to have exclusives. That's why you should keep demanding it for other platforms, because that's a competition prosperity that really needs to be eliminated. If Sony even didn't exist, what would happen to all these? I doubt they would be distributed the same way.

The guy sounds like a boon with delusions of greatness and an engorged ego. He’s not a freedom fighter; he’s an incoherent geek with too much time on his hands.

But he was the first one to unlock the iPhone, since Apple doesn't give you the freedom to choose between carriers. And maybe he has big ego, and wants some attention, which is only one thing what drives some hackers, but does that make him a bad human that doesn't deserve to live his life? No. But again: Has he done anything illegal? No. Any reason why Sony should sue? Only for pure revenge, for not being able to keep their control.

Hopefully Sony will get that €1,000,000 they’re trying to sue him for and use it to fund a PS3 game or something cool like that. Which I will then purchase.

Sorry, but that's messed up. You even make it sound like it's required for them to live, in order for *any* good product to exist. And it won't happen, because Sony is mainly distributing the games for own profit, not developing them, even if they created Wipeout Fusion for instance, which could be done without their influence, since Psygnosis didn't need to be bought, and become SCE, a subsidiary of Sony. I guess you can't sense greediness. I cannot see how the money could be used to other things that doesn't include Sony's administration and especially the lawyers own joy and luxury.

I don’t really care if the PS3 gets hacked or not

"You" doesn't mean "everybody", just for reminding. You're still not willing to understand the principles of this case: You buy, you own. Sony shouldn't touch the customers in any way, and not even banning them from their services, which is essentially also a subscribed set of features, just because there was any modifications to the client software.

if someone wants to make some indie games, there’s always, you know, regular computers.

And then there's mobile computers, which even does include smartphones and then mobile game consoles such as the mentioned PSP2, where it could be a problem. If it reaches too much of the market, indie developers wouldn't be able to reach the full audience with their games, because that's the only device many customers probably would have.

I don’t see how Sony’s actions are ‘restricting my freedom’ – if they wish to include mechanisms in their console that prevent their games from being pirated, that’s cool with me.

Maybe not yours, but others, because you don't have specific criteria. But PS3 has been used for other purposes it wasn't necessarily intended for, like cheap supercomputers, because of its powerful Cell processor, which was even used by US Military Air Force. But Sony removed the OtherOS feature, which rendered them useless.

[spiraldoor]

Like you couldn't enjoy anything on other platforms? But Sony does make contract with developers in order to have exclusives. That's why you should keep demanding it for other platforms, because that's a competition prosperity that really needs to be eliminated. If Sony even didn't exist, what would happen to all these? I doubt they would be distributed the same way.

The PS3 has lots of excellent exclusive games, so there’s no way I’m going to give up buying them just so I can have a negligible, drop-in-the-ocean effect on Sony’s net profit. Why should I deprive myself of enjoyment to make an infinitesimal attack on a company with which I have no problem? As long as they keep making great games, they’ve got my money. Why should I demand that they port all their exclusives to rival consoles? That won’t happen unless they go the way of Sega, and even if it did, I doubt their new exclusives would be as top-notch if they had to run on the Wii as well.

But he was the first one to unlock the iPhone, since Apple doesn't give you the freedom to choose between carriers. And maybe he has big ego, and wants some attention, which is only one thing what drives some hackers, but does that make him a bad human that doesn't deserve to live his life? No. But again: Has he done anything illegal? No. Any reason why Sony should sue? Only for pure revenge, for not being able to keep their control.

I was under the impression that Geohot was the one who cracked the iPhone? Either way, the quotes I’ve read suggest that Chokola is highly immature and has delusions that he is a freedom fighter of some sort. He seems like a silly person and I don’t really care what happens to him. I don’t know if he has done anything illegal or not, but I doubt the answer is as simple as ‘no’ – how could they hope to sue him if it was? If Sony wants to ‘take revenge’ on someone for enabling piracy on their console, I’m cool with that.

Sorry, but that's messed up. You even make it sound like it's required for them to live, in order for *any* good product to exist. And it won't happen, because Sony is mainly distributing the games for own profit, not developing them, even if they created Wipeout Fusion for instance, which could be done without their influence, since Psygnosis didn't need to be bought, and become SCE, a subsidiary of Sony. I guess you can't sense greediness. I cannot see how the money could be used to other things that doesn't include Sony's administration and especially the lawyers own joy and luxury.

It’s interesting how you refer to the pursuit of profit as if it was something reprehensible. I don’t care what happens to Chokola, and if his money ends up in the hands of Sony as a result of his myopic actions, that’s fine with me. Your logic is a bit screwy – you say that Sony are ‘distributing games for their own profit’? Well I think that’s pretty much how the games publishing business works, yes. If they get more money, they can distribute more games, which is fine by me. What’s wrong with that? You go on to say that Sony doesn’t develop games – what about all the first-party games they’ve made, and continue to make? You then say Psygnosis ‘didn’n need to be bought’? I guess you think Sony should have steered clear of Psygnosis and the profit their acquisition represented? Let someone like EA or Microsoft buy them up instead? For no reason? Is any company which merges with or acquires another being ‘greedy’? I don’t understand you. You can’t see how Chokola’s money could possibly go towards anything other than Sony’s administration or lawyers? Of course it could. And even if it does not, what’s wrong with the administration and lawyers? They can do what they want with their money. Fine by me!

"You" doesn't mean "everybody", just for reminding. You're still not willing to understand the principles of this case: You buy, you own. Sony shouldn't touch the customers in any way, and not even banning them from their services, which is essentially also a subscribed set of features, just because there was any modifications to the client software.

Why shouldn’t Sony ban cheaters and pirates? These are people who ruin the fun of others in online games and download games without paying, denying developers their profits. These people ought to be punished, and Sony have the means by which to punish them. Why should they continue to provide their services to these people? Why should they be allowed to continue to avail of their ‘subscribed set of features’ when they contravene the terms of service to the detriment of others? Besides, it’s pretty damn stupid to log onto PSN with a hacked PS3.

And then there's mobile computers, which even does include smartphones and then mobile game consoles such as the mentioned PSP2, where it could be a problem. If it reaches too much of the market, indie developers wouldn't be able to reach the full audience with their games, because that's the only device many customers probably would have.

I generally don’t give much of a damn about ‘indie games’, but if I want to play them, I will do so on a PC. What’s wrong with that? It’s actually an open platform, so it makes sense to play indie games on it. I imagine the programming of indie PS3 games would be more difficult. Is it worth the trouble? Seriously now, how many people want to purchase and play indie games but are unable to do so because they have no PC, and must hack their PS3 to play indie games on it instead? I expect that segment of the indie-games market contains approximately zero people.

Maybe not yours, but others, because you don't have specific criteria. But PS3 has been used for other purposes it wasn't necessarily intended for, like cheap supercomputers, because of its powerful Cell processor, which was even used by US Military Air Force. But Sony removed the OtherOS feature, which rendered them useless.

Are you seriously telling me that the US Air Force turned on all of their PS3s, logged into PSN and downloaded and installed the firmware update that removed the OtherOS functionality which they purchased them to use? If so, that’s pretty hilarious.

[PowerPatrick]

The PS3 has lots of excellent exclusive games, so there’s no way I’m going to give up buying them just so I can have a negligible, drop-in-the-ocean effect on Sony’s net profit. Why should I deprive myself of enjoyment to make an infinitesimal attack on a company with which I have no problem? As long as they keep making great games, they’ve got my money. Why should I demand that they port all their exclusives to rival consoles? That won’t happen unless they go the way of Sega, and even if it did, I doubt their new exclusives would be as top-notch if they had to run on the Wii as well.

Why you should demand them, is in order to avoid their claws. They want to entice you, so they will be able to gain more power. And the games reaches much less of the audiences. Why waste more money on another fucking console, when your current or your personal computer are finely capable of running the game? But just go ahead. I can't stop you from doing that. But it's funny to think that no matter how evil the company is, some people, like you, just wants to purchase it anyway, even if they could help to change everything, and actually get all of the same and more joy in the end.

I was under the impression that Geohot was the one who cracked the iPhone? Either way, the quotes I’ve read suggest that Chokola is highly immature and has delusions that he is a freedom fighter of some sort. He seems like a silly person and I don’t really care what happens to him. I don’t know if he has done anything illegal or not, but I doubt the answer is as simple as ‘no’ – how could they hope to sue him if it was? If Sony wants to ‘take revenge’ on someone for enabling piracy on their console, I’m cool with that.

My fault, sorry for the confusion. But you could easily refer to all of them as well. Geohot is against piracy, but I don't know about Chokolo, even if he is a "guy who clearly had no involvement at all with piracy, cheating, or the things Sony claims to care about". If their tools enable piracy, that is only a side effect, which isn't a part of their goal. Homebrew (apps or games), mediacenter (like enabling 3D blu-ray, support for more media formats, even MKV-containers), emulators (to use it as a real console, even regaining backwards-compatibility), OtherOS (for completely other functionality in general). People, other than you, actually have these sort of interests, even if they want to use a PS3 for the purpose. It's their device, why should they be stopped from using it the way they want?

It’s interesting how you refer to the pursuit of profit as if it was something reprehensible. I don’t care what happens to Chokola, and if his money ends up in the hands of Sony as a result of his myopic actions, that’s fine with me. Your logic is a bit screwy – you say that Sony are ‘distributing games for their own profit’? Well I think that’s pretty much how the games publishing business works, yes. If they get more money, they can distribute more games, which is fine by me. What’s wrong with that? You go on to say that Sony doesn’t develop games – what about all the first-party games they’ve made, and continue to make? You then say Psygnosis ‘didn’n need to be bought’? I guess you think Sony should have steered clear of Psygnosis and the profit their acquisition represented? Let someone like EA or Microsoft buy them up instead? For no reason? Is any company which merges with or acquires another being ‘greedy’? I don’t understand you. You can’t see how Chokola’s money could possibly go towards anything other than Sony’s administration or lawyers? Of course it could. And even if it does not, what’s wrong with the administration and lawyers? They can do what they want with their money. Fine by me!

My point with Psygnosis was about the existence of the games. Would the WipeOut series be completely different from today, if Sony didn't have acquired them? To the last: That's why I want all these hackers to win in the court, because as long as the administration and lawyers are forcing these unethical rules, they don't deserve the money. You're still under the impression that there will be less game production as a result? I seriously doubt that.

Why shouldn’t Sony ban cheaters and pirates? These are people who ruin the fun of others in online games and download games without paying, denying developers their profits. These people ought to be punished, and Sony have the means by which to punish them. Why should they continue to provide their services to these people? Why should they be allowed to continue to avail of their ‘subscribed set of features’ when they contravene the terms of service to the detriment of others? Besides, it’s pretty damn stupid to log onto PSN with a hacked PS3.

Now you're putting words on my mouth. Did I anywhere in that quote mention cheaters and pirates? No, I was referring to people with generally jailbroken PS3s, who are banned because of the modified state on their devices. But of course, if you want to bring it up, I would personally love to support the game developers, but not Sony, directly or indirectly. This is where piracy comes to the issue.

I generally don’t give much of a damn about ‘indie games’, but if I want to play them, I will do so on a PC. What’s wrong with that? It’s actually an open platform, so it makes sense to play indie games on it. I imagine the programming of indie PS3 games would be more difficult. Is it worth the trouble? Seriously now, how many people want to purchase and play indie games but are unable to do so because they have no PC, and must hack their PS3 to play indie games on it instead? I expect that segment of the indie-games market contains approximately zero people.

And it's still about the mobile platform, where easy entertainment is more inteded. And it's a shame to hear your disapproval of these kind of developers, but no wonder since it's your gloomy opinion.

Are you seriously telling me that the US Air Force turned on all of their PS3s, logged into PSN and downloaded and installed the firmware update that removed the OtherOS functionality which they purchased them to use? If so, that’s pretty hilarious.

Yeah, I must that admit too. But it's still the principles of this case that matters: They own the device, they can do whatever they want with it, but you're still ignoring that fact.

[spiraldoor]

Why you should demand them, is in order to avoid their claws. They want to entice you, so they will be able to gain more power. And the games reaches much less of the audience. Why waste more money on another fucking console, when your current or your personal computer are finely capable of running the game? But just go ahead. I can't stop you from doing that. But it's funny to think that no matter how evil the company is, some people, like you, just wants to purchase it anyway, even if they could help to change everything, and actually get all of the same and more joy in the end.

What’s wrong with what Sony are doing right now? They’re spending money to develop new hardware and then producing software that runs on it. It’s up to them to do what they want with their own money. If you don’t like their pracices, you’ll just have to deal with it. No one is forcing you to purchase their products. Are you seriously suggesting that Sony should release all of their exclusive games on rival platforms, thus sacrificing a huge amount of potential profit and giving their adversaries in the console business an enormous advantage over them? That’s ridiculous. You think exclusive games are ‘evil’? That’s just stupid. They’re a means by which the manufacturers of consoles can convince people to purchase their hardware; this makes them no more ‘evil’ than any other corporation on the face of the earth. I guess now I’m a corporate sheeple or something?

My fault, sorry for the confusion. But you could easily refer to all of them as well. Geohot is against piracy, but I don't know about Chokolo, even if he is a "guy who clearly had no involvement at all with piracy, cheating, or the things Sony claims to care about". If their tools enable piracy, that is only a side effect, which isn't a part of their goal. Homebrew (apps or games), mediacenter (like enabling 3D blu-ray, support for more media formats, even MKV-containers), emulators (to use it as a real console, even regaining backwards-compatibility), OtherOS (for completely other functionality in general). People, other than you, actually have these sort of interests, even if they want to use a PS3 for the purpose. It's their device, why should they be stopped from using it the way they want?

You think that enabling piracy ‘isn’t a part of their goal’? Well of course that’s what they’re going to say. How do you know it’s true? They sure as hell knew that releasing their hacks were going to lead to piracy and online cheating, but they went ahead and did it anyway. Turning round and saying ‘Oh, by the way, all the piracy we enabled wasn’t our goal’ does not excuse their actions. If I leave a crate full of explosives in a school and some kids blow themselves up with it, can I just say ‘Oops, that wasn’t my intention’ and be excused? I have no particular interest in homebrew, emulators, Linux or better media centres – I can do all of these things better on my computer, so why would I want them on my PS3 as well? I generally use my PS3 the way it’s meant to be used, to do things it’s meant to do. Things I bought it for, like playing exclusive PS3 games. Should people really be allowed to do whatever the hell they want with their purchases, including fucking around with them in ways that seriously damage the manufacturers? Perhaps not.

My point with Psygnosis was about the existence of the games. Would the WipeOut series be completely different from today, if Sony didn't have acquired them? To the last: That's why I want all these hackers to win in the court, because as long as the administration and lawyers are forcing these unethical rules, they don't deserve the money. You're still under the impression that there will be less game production as a result? I seriously doubt that.

I don’t understand your point about Psygnosis – neither of us have any idea what they would be doing now if they had not been acquired by Sony, so your question is moot. For all you know, Psygnosis may have had difficulty securing funding for their games without Sony, or may even have been shut down. As long as Sony continues to produce quality games, I will continue to support them. I don’t care if they’re ‘unethical’ – so are all corporations, if by ‘unethical’ you mean self-interested and driven by profit. If Sony has less money, it stands to reason that they will not be able to produce as many games, because they use money to fund the development of these games.

Now you're putting words on my mouth. Did I anywhere in that quote mention cheaters and pirates? No, I was referring to people with generally jailbroken PS3s, who are banned because of the modified state on their devices. But of course, if you want to bring it up, I would personally love to support the game developers, but not Sony, directly or indirectly. This is where piracy comes to the issue.

Sony are entitled to ban whoever they want. The PSN is their network, developed and maintained with their money, and they don’t have to provide their services to anyone. Hunch could ban us all right now if he wanted – it’s his website and he can do as he pleases with it. If you don’t want your hacked PS3 to be banned, then don’t log onto PSN. That’s the price you pay for your pirated games etc. Fine by me.

And it's still about the mobile platform, where easy entertainment is more inteded. And it's a shame to hear your disapproval of these kind of developers, but no wonder since it's your gloomy opinion.

I have no idea what you mean when you say ‘it’s still about the mobile platform’ – are you talking about mobile phones and handheld consoles now? I can’t see why anyone would want to hack their PS3 to play indie games. How many people (a) own a PS3 (b) want to play indie game (c) don’t own a PC and (d) have enough technical know-how to hack their PS3? I reckon the number of people who fulfil all four criteria is approximately... zero. These are the people whom you argued would be unable to play indie games without hacking their PS3. These people don’t exist. Everyone who wants to play indie games can do so on their PC. I’ve played one or two indie games that I’ve liked, but the majority of them are crap. They should all be put online as free Flash games. I’d take the big-budget, professionally-developed studio games over them any day.

Yeah, I must that admit too. But it's still the principles of this case that matters: They own the device, they can do whatever they want with it, but you're still ignoring that fact.

‘Fact’? You can do whatever the fuck you want with anything you own, no matter how ridiculous or inappropriate or harmful? Really?

[PowerPatrick]

What’s wrong with what Sony are doing right now? They’re spending money to develop new hardware and then producing software that runs on it. It’s up to them to do what they want with their own money. If you don’t like their pracices, you’ll just have to deal with it. No one is forcing you to purchase their products. Are you seriously suggesting that Sony should release all of their exclusive games on rival platforms, thus sacrificing a huge amount of potential profit and giving their adversaries in the console business an enormous advantage over them? That’s ridiculous. You think exclusive games are ‘evil’? That’s just stupid. They’re a means by which the manufacturers of consoles can convince people to purchase their hardware; this makes them no more ‘evil’ than any other corporation on the face of the earth. I guess now I’m a corporate sheeple or something?

Wouldn't you agree that it's pretty fucking annoying that you want to play an awesome game, but it only exist for one expensive platform that you can't afford (as an example of principle). This is where I want to go. The way the competition should be done is by enhancing the platforms features and performance. Not by signing contracts with developers to get all their the stuff for yourself. I want to hear people saying "My device is better because it comes with [something] and can do [something else]..." and not "My device is better because it can run [insert exclusive game name here]".

You think that enabling piracy ‘isn’t a part of their goal’? Well of course that’s what they’re going to say. How do you know it’s true? They sure as hell knew that releasing their hacks were going to lead to piracy and online cheating, but they went ahead and did it anyway. Turning round and saying ‘Oh, by the way, all the piracy we enabled wasn’t our goal’ does not excuse their actions. If I leave a crate full of explosives in a school and some kids blow themselves up with it, can I just say ‘Oops, that wasn’t my intention’ and be excused? I have no particular interest in homebrew, emulators, Linux or better media centres – I can do all of these things better on my computer, so why would I want them on my PS3 as well? I generally use my PS3 the way it’s meant to be used, to do things it’s meant to do. Things I bought it for, like playing exclusive PS3 games. Should people really be allowed to do whatever the hell they want with their purchases, including fucking around with them in ways that seriously damage the manufacturers? Perhaps not.

Since piracy isn't the only fucking thing being possible. Infact, geohot tried to lock down the possibility of piracy with his code, but he knows that people can hack it further anyways, so it wouldn't be worth the hassle. Now you're trying to move into a discussion about responsibility. Your example is being more of the extreme, and this one is pretty much covered multiple ways by the different laws. My example: Are Google illegal because it indexes torrents just like The Pirate Bay? Actually, neither of them should be illegal, pure technically, as torrent files are only metadata (references) to the actual networks. But this is not what we're talking about, so don't reply to my example. But I cannot see how it could damage the manufacturers.

I don’t understand your point about Psygnosis – neither of us have any idea what they would be doing now if they had not been acquired by Sony, so your question is moot. For all you know, Psygnosis may have had difficulty securing funding for their games without Sony, or may even have been shut down. As long as Sony continues to produce quality games, I will continue to support them. I don’t care if they’re ‘unethical’ – so are all corporations, if by ‘unethical’ you mean self-interested and driven by profit. If Sony has less money, it stands to reason that they will not be able to produce as many games, because they use money to fund the development of these games.

About all companies being evil, this will spawn an entire new debate as well, and I really don't have time for that.

Sony are entitled to ban whoever they want. The PSN is their network, developed and maintained with their money, and they don’t have to provide their services to anyone. Hunch could ban us all right now if he wanted – it’s his website and he can do as he pleases with it. If you don’t want your hacked PS3 to be banned, then don’t log onto PSN. That’s the price you pay for your pirated games etc. Fine by me.

But when you've paid for it, things are different now. We can access this forum for free, so of course Hunch could do that, but that would be shooting himself in the foot. By the way, I do not own a PS3, 360 or Wii, as I am generally not gaming that much, and I would rather have them for my PC.

I have no idea what you mean when you say ‘it’s still about the mobile platform’ – are you talking about mobile phones and handheld consoles now? I can’t see why anyone would want to hack their PS3 to play indie games. How many people (a) own a PS3 (b) want to play indie game (c) don’t own a PC and (d) have enough technical know-how to hack their PS3? I reckon the number of people who fulfil all four criteria is approximately... zero. These are the people whom you argued would be unable to play indie games without hacking their PS3. These people don’t exist. Everyone who wants to play indie games can do so on their PC. I’ve played one or two indie games that I’ve liked, but the majority of them are crap. They should all be put online as free Flash games. I’d take the big-budget, professionally-developed studio games over them any day.

Read my earlier quote please. But finally you're taking up a good point: Flash Player on PS3. This is actually something Sony has done right over Apple for instance. But this cannot use the full potential of the hardware compared to the native software which requires homebrewing. But now we really don't know if Flash Player is coming to PSP2 too? At least their Xperia Play is Android-based and probably not so much restricted compared to PSP2. For the last, I guess you're not really into such thing as casual games, etc. but this is all a matter of taste. Even professional games can be called crap, you know. But such things needs to be tried and experienced first for anyone to have an proper opinion.

‘Fact’? You can do whatever the fuck you want with anything you own, no matter how ridiculous or inappropriate or harmful? Really?

How the fuck can modifying the software to support another media format be wrong? Of course everything has do be done in a legal sense. Now it's me who don't get you here.

[spiraldoor]

Wouldn't you agree that it's pretty fucking annoying that you want to play an awesome game, but it only exist for one expensive platform that you can't afford (as an example of principle). This is where I want to go. The way the competition should be done is by enhancing the platforms features and performance. Not by signing contracts with developers to get all their the stuff for yourself. I want to hear people saying "My device is better because it comes with [something] and can do [something else]..." and not "My device is better because it can run [insert exclusive game name here]".

Sure it’s annoying, but that’s business. They’re the ones paying for the development of these games, so they can release them on whatever platforms they like. If they see fit to restrict the game to their own console, then so be it. There’s nothing wrong with trying to maximise your profits. The element of competition between publishers is also beneficial to the quality of games – in order to compete with one another, Sony, Microsoft and Nintendo must make the best games possible; a lack of competition would lead to stagnation. Again, what exactly are you suggesting as an alternative? That Sony relinquish control of all their first-party properties?

Since piracy isn't the only fucking thing being possible. Infact, geohot tried to lock down the possibility of piracy with his code, but he knows that people can hack it further anyways, so it wouldn't be worth the hassle. Now you're trying to move into a discussion about responsibility. Your example is being more of the extreme, and this one is pretty much covered multiple ways by the different laws. My example: Are Google illegal because it indexes torrents just like The Pirate Bay? Actually, neither of them should be illegal, pure technically, as torrent files are only metadata (references) to the actual networks. But this is not what we're talking about, so don't reply to my example. But I cannot see how it could damage the manufacturers.

Everyone knew that Geohot’s hack was going to lead to piracy. He undoubtedly knew it himself, but he went right ahead and released it anyway. How long did the anti-piracy measures he added to his hack last? A few days? I doubt he seriously thought that he was combating piracy; he was simply attempting to make his own actions appear more reasonable. Piracy is not ‘the only fucking thing possible’, but it’s the main reason people want the PS3 hacked: free games. Piracy damages the manufacturers because many people who have previously been forced to purchase games are now able to steal them.

But when you've paid for it, things are different now. We can access this forum for free, so of course Hunch could do that, but that would be shooting himself in the foot. By the way, I do not own a PS3, 360 or Wii, as I am generally not gaming that much, and I would rather have them for my PC.

So you’re saying that Sony have no right to ban people from the PSN because it’s a paid subscription service? Then what about the people who violate the terms of said service? Do you think they should also be immune to punishment? You shouldn’t hack your console if you want the manufacturer to continue to play nicely with you. If you go out of your way to break the rules they lay down, they are not obliged to continue to provide you with services such as PSN.

Read my earlier quote please. But finally you're taking up a good point: Flash Player on PS3. This is actually something Sony has done right over Apple for instance. But this cannot use the full potential of the hardware compared to the native software which requires homebrewing. But now we really don't know if Flash Player is coming to PSP2 too? At least their Xperia Play is Android-based and probably not so much restricted compared to PSP2. For the last, I guess you're not really into such thing as casual games, etc. but this is all a matter of taste. Even professional games can be called crap, you know. But such things needs to be tried and experienced first for anyone to have an proper opinion.

I don’t see what the Flash player has to do with this – I don’t care that the PS3’s Flash player is limited, as I have a much better Flash player on my normal computer. That’s what I use if I want to watch YouTube videos or play browser games. Again – why is it necessary to play indie games on the PS3 at all? The PC is a much more suitable platform for that sort of development, and even better – everyone has one. I’d rather use my PS3 for PS3 things.

How the fuck can modifying the software to support another media format be wrong? Of course everything has do be done in a legal sense. Now it's me who don't get you here.

I seriously don’t think anyone is sacrificing PSN access just so they can play MKV files on their PS3 – if they want to play those file formats so badly, why not just play them on their normal computers instead? Piracy is clearly the main reason most people are interested in these hacks; everyone else is an insignificant minority. It all comes down to stealing games; that’s the real reason people are jailbreaking their consoles. What percentage of the people who download the PS3 hack are going to play pirated games with it, would you say? 90%? The hackers are the ones who knowingly enabled this, all for a very small minority of people who want to install Linux on their PS3s for some reason.

[PowerPatrick]

Everyone knew that Geohot’s hack was going to lead to piracy. He undoubtedly knew it himself, but he went right ahead and released it anyway. How long did the anti-piracy measures he added to his hack last? A few days? I doubt he seriously thought that he was combating piracy; he was simply attempting to make his own actions appear more reasonable. Piracy is not ‘the only fucking thing possible’, but it’s the main reason people want the PS3 hacked: free games. Piracy damages the manufacturers because many people who have previously been forced to purchase games are now able to steal them.

Oh please, stop the nonsense already! First of, you're making a classic mistake: copying is not stealing, because nothing is taken away from them. If you steal your friends PS3, they'll lose it. Do you also think cloning is kidnapping? It has been proven several times in other aspects of the entertainment industry that piracy doesn't harm, and in fact, only helps to promote the works. The entertainment industry is actually selling better than ever before at an accelerating rate..
http://torrentfreak.com/is-piracy-reall ... no-100418/
http://torrentfreak.com/more-music-sold ... cy-110110/
http://torrentfreak.com/piracy-boosts-cd-sales-071103/
http://torrentfreak.com/internet-piracy ... es-110203/
http://torrentfreak.com/how-piracy-can- ... es-090125/
http://torrentfreak.com/why-pirates-buy ... il-090428/
http://musicouch.com/musicouching/inter ... m-artists/
http://news.softpedia.com/news/Piracy-D ... 0713.shtml
And there are much more links yet, but I don't bother posting all of them.

So you’re saying that Sony have no right to ban people from the PSN because it’s a paid subscription service? Then what about the people who violate the terms of said service? Do you think they should also be immune to punishment? You shouldn’t hack your console if you want the manufacturer to continue to play nicely with you. If you go out of your way to break the rules they lay down, they are not obliged to continue to provide you with services such as PSN.

Because hacking your OWN console is an action that goes within the legitimate reasonable limit, as long as you don't make use of cheats, or anything like that in the games. You're paying for a service to give you supplementary, but very essential functionality that even covers over third-party creations, as advertised. TOS is not the law either.

I don’t see what the Flash player has to do with this – I don’t care that the PS3’s Flash player is limited, as I have a much better Flash player on my normal computer. That’s what I use if I want to watch YouTube videos or play browser games. Again – why is it necessary to play indie games on the PS3 at all? The PC is a much more suitable platform for that sort of development, and even better – everyone has one. I’d rather use my PS3 for PS3 things.

A form of free and available distribution my friend...

I think we're reaching our limit of additional points to the discussion, since I predict that this will lead to iterations.

[Cairnie]

Can you both please argue about Sony and that maybe somewhere else other than a thread about a 3DS game? This has gotten ridiculous.

[PowerPatrick]

Can you both please argue about Sony and that maybe somewhere else other than a thread about a 3DS game? This has gotten ridiculous.

Yeah, this was getting tiring anyways.

[Haruka]

You guys could continue by PMs or in other topic.

I wonder if Rayman 3D will be possible to be encountered in exposition with a playable public 3DS but I doubt...

[RayLums]

New screen here

[Cairnie]

I'm surprised they haven't put up any video footage yet. That's usually not a good sign knowing how little they showed of Travel in Time.

[Haruka]

The 3D pictures look beautiful. I wished I could play this right in the 25th March.

[syntheticgerbil]

I’m well aware of these early Raymanesque games – I have played a number of them for research. Zool and Plok both have some interesting Rayman parallels.

But it's impossible for the to be Raymanesque if a majority of the games were being released in this style years before Rayman was actually released. Zool and Plok can't even be called paralleled to Rayman 1 because they were released at least a year before even Rayman started development. Then their development started even way before their release dates and so on.

But that’s not what I was talking about – I don’t believe that Rayman 1’s enduring popularity is caused by its use of such surreal environments as were not uncommon at the time. It’s the atmosphere. The atmosphere is the reason people keep coming back to the game. It’s not easy to describe it but I’m sure you know what I’m talking about. The same sort of vibe is present in varying degrees in all of Ancel’s games. The soundtrack is a big part of it, and so is the art style. For the most part the game has a feel of ‘cartoonish fun’, but this is accented with a more unusual ‘mysterious’ or ‘magical’ quality, which sometimes comes from the sound and sometimes comes from the visuals. The overall effect has not been matched by any other game I have played.

That's fine, I'm just saying for me or in my opinion, the atmosphere of Rayman 1 fell short and was not coherent across the board nor did it go fully along with the game play for me. There are still a lot of great qualities in Rayman 1's art, music, and color usage for the most part, but I don't feel the "harmony" was achieved with those elements until Rayman 2. I also do not think it is a sanction of originality even though there are some original qualities, because by the time Rayman 1 finally came out almost every part of the game had been done before by other games, but what set Rayman apart was that it did a lot of things really well simultaneously, which most platformers, whether on PC or console, failed to do at the time.

The part that makes Rayman 2 much more celebrated or special is that up until that point, outside of Mario 64, 3D platformers were either complete messes of garbage or were still on the rails or 2.5D. Rayman 2 sort of showed everyone how to make a fun action oriented platformer that was free roaming 3D as well as addictive and endlessly interesting to play. The high productions values and amazing music and art direction only made it stand out more. While many critics still give all or most of the credit to making a good 3D platformer to Mario 64's lead, others do give Rayman 2 props on shaping what they could be like. Personally I think Mario 64 plays too different from Rayman 2 to take all the credit for influence.

So basically what I'm saying is that Rayman 1 was high quality but not exactly original in its ideas while Rayman 2 was high quality and had to pioneer a lot. The atmosphere is much more subjective. I imagine the main reason Ubisoft has to keep releasing Rayman 2 over and over again is that they had a lot of great critical reviews the first time so they've just gotta keep milking it.

The thing I want to know more about Rayman 3D is if the Globox Village is available or not.

I'm guessing since Ubisoft doesn't seem to be promising anything new outside of gameplay tweaks to make Rayman 2 easier, that they aren't going to alter the game too much from the original Dreamcast version. So I'd speculate that the Globox Village will be the same as it was and that you will still have to gather the Globox Crystals throughout the game.

Mainly what I'm hoping for is that Ubisoft adds a new thing or two. At the very least I hope that they put the three internet saves that allowed you access to the exclusive minigames in the Dreamcast version as part of the actual game this time, even if they all sort of sucked.

What's the point of buying a 3DS if your going to toggle off the 3D? The graphics are almost the same as the N64, just a tiny bit smoother.
The NGP's is on the scale of PS3 graphics + I can access everything I've bought on the playstation store for my PSP on it for free (Nintendo's dumbass shop requires you to buy a game for each console you have), so it was a big turnoff to upgrade my XL to a 3DS.
NGP has a high res camera + touchpad input on the back, touchscreen with OLED, 2 *ANALOG STICKS* (ANALOG STICKS, NOT NUBS like the 3ds or the PSP).
I would rather play rayman 2 (ps1).

Console warring aside, the 3DS is much more capable than the DS and especially the N64. While I agree 3D is an annoying gimmick and all, that's not all the 3DS is. If you go by this site. you'll see the graphics and processing capabilities are going to be smiliar to a regular PSP: http://www.hardcoreware.net/nintendo-3d ... omparison/

So this is why they can now release an 128 bit version of Rayman instead of a really bad port of the 64 bit version. It's already looking so much better. Let's hope it's going to be a good port that plays well at the very least!

New screen here

These are great! I wish they were bigger, but I guess that's the 3DS' inherent resolution. Even weird things like seeing the smoothed out texture for the Murfy tile is very encouraging. The pirate ship is looking amazing now.