Religion – your views

[Rsandee]

It's OUR fault Africa is in this state. (however, we can't help them, since they need to develop their countries on their own)

Nonsense.

What the fuck Hunch; what the fuck?
Darwin himself said, that the African ''race'' accomplished nothing in the last 2000 years.
They acted like cattle, and whenever they encountered valuable materials, they did nothing.
Africa is the richest continent on Earth, rich of materials that is.
But they didn't do anything with it, they can't even make their own farms.
South Africa is the ''Grain tank'' of Africa, with alot of white farmers, and their black government is dumb enough to ban them from their country, and placing their incompetent and unintelligent workers there.

[Hunchman801]

Based on what you just said, I can only conclude that it's not our fault if Africa is in such a bad condition. So why did you say it was? I'm afraid you're contradicting yourself.

[Rsandee]

Based on what you just said, I can only conclude that it's not our fault if Africa is in such a bad condition. So why did you say it was? I'm afraid you're contradicting yourself.

Because we left their countries without educating them how to run their country properly.
We just colonized and left.
Originally, my post was twice as long, but I cut it because it was too dull, that's why it looks like I'm contradicting myself.
This is also why Africa hates white people, because we have it far better than they do, which isn't that big of a problem for me.

[Hunchman801]

We didn't exactly live Africa, they kicked us out, so how would that be our fault? It's kinda understandable though, even though colonisation doubtlessly brought a huge amount of progress to Africa, we somehow exploited them. In short, they preferred war and desolation to exploitation.

[iambored2006]

@Hunchman, as opposed to most people, I studied both Christianity and Judaism extensively. A lot of people can say they studied Judaism all their life (Haredis) but they would never dream about thinking of considering reading the new testament or the Kura'an. Thankfully, I am very open minded and thus have no problem with learning all I can about Christianity. I must say, and I'm trying as hard as I can to be objective here, Christianity is one fucked up faith. If I was an alien who came to earth to study its religions, I would stand by my point. History would tell you the same. So would the new testament if you read between the lines.

[spiraldoor]

I must say, and I'm trying as hard as I can to be objective here, Christianity is one fucked up faith.

Would you like to elaborate? Or will you just leave it at that?

[Tobbe]

[iambored2006]

I must say, and I'm trying as hard as I can to be objective here, Christianity is one fucked up faith.

Would you like to elaborate? Or will you just leave it at that?

Firstly, there's all the contradictions in the new testament. What the FUCK is up with that?! I managed to find 3 contradictions in every 2 pages, averagely. Secondly, there's the holidays. Did you know that Christmas was originally a Persian Zoroastrian holiday? Also, there's something that really bugs me about Jesus: if he died on Friday night and came back to life after 3 days, why did he come back to life on Sunday?! And if the Christian year is supposed to start on the first of January, and the count is based on Jesus' birth, why is his birth celebrated on the 25th of December, instead of on the first of January?!
There is of course, the early history of the religion. I've read that there were about 300 books which didn't get into the new testament because of the clashes with the interests of Constantine and his minions. And did you know that the first years of Christianity did not have anything to do with the divinity of Jesus, a theory developed a few decades later? And what kind of fucked up faith holds the death of the savior as the happiest/holiest of incidents?! Yeah, I know: he died for our sins ... Well, riddle me this: if the "savior's" death was so important and erased the sins of the people, could Jesus just return after a few thousand years and re-erase all of our sins? It seems as if he needs to, judging by the state of the world. But wait, wouldn't that make his death an unimportant thing? I mean, he died so that god would erase our sins, but if he can just return and redo that, what's the point?! And what kind of religion makes the dirty, then common, means of execution that is the cross its symbol?!
Lastly, there's the behaviour of the believers. I don't even have to continue. You know the stories.

This was a concise rant of mine about the most fucked up of religions- Christianity. I will not share further annoyances I had with it, as I'm tired.

@Tobbe, this is the only reply I got.

[Adsolution]

All your points in there show why you aren't a Christian, because you don't agree with it. Same with me, I myself dislike Christianity most of all (like you), and I have many, many points I could rant about. Heck, I could write a phone book-sized rant with pages and pages on why I find Cathlocism, Menanites, (excuse my spelling), baptist, and all the different divisions of Christianity to be utterly pointless, stupid, controversial and retarded, and that's why I'm not a Christian. I can't explain what goes on in other people's heads, but whatever it is it makes them follow the religion they follow. The sole factor that matters are their actions.

In my mind, I think the Bible was written originally as a metaphorical storybook of "good morals" (for it's time, not compared to modern standards) to educate the young'uns and motivate the adults. I believe that after it was written, the insecure morons of the country grew on those words to the point where people believed in to the death, cults were formed, and then worldwide Christianity as we know it today: warped, modified and obscured from its original meaning.

With that said, Jesus would have been an exemplary man of great integrity. I doubt very much that he believed he would ascend into a "Heaven."

I believe that all Christianity was originally intended to be was a stack of morals and lessons on life, not all this pressured-to-excel-based-on-a-scribed-word-of-the-lord crap. Anyone who's even begun to look at both perspectives - idealism and practical consideration - should understand that this is a far more plausible answer than anything being taught in a cathedral

[iambored2006]

I agree, but why didn't you address Judaism? I mean, it's the basis and origin of Christianity! There are some aspects of Judaism I despise, and they are what I like to call- Judaism for the people. Mob Judaism. And other cool names. Every religions has this kind of thing. It means the things in the religion which are distorted until they contradict every idea of the religion. Just look at Taoism, the religion (not the philosophy): they oppose every single chapter in the Tao Te Ching!!!

I'm reading this article in National Geographic about the earliest temple discovered. According to the article, the origin of civilization is religion, not the neolithic revolution. You see, religion was originally expressed by holy places which had pilgrimage. Lots of people gathered in these places and decided to build their homes nearby, and stay there. More and more came and villages were born.

[Adsolution]

I agree, but why didn't you address Judaism? I mean, it's the basis and origin of Christianity! There are some aspects of Judaism I despise, and they are what I like to call- Judaism for the people. Mob Judaism. And other cool names. Every religions has this kind of thing. It means the things in the religion which are distorted until they contradict every idea of the religion. Just look at Taoism, the religion (not the philosophy): they oppose every single chapter in the Tao Te Ching!!!

I didn't mention Judaism because it's not nearly as warped as Christianity.

I'm reading this article in National Geographic about the earliest temple discovered. According to the article, the origin of civilization is religion, not the neolithic revolution. You see, religion was originally expressed by holy places which had pilgrimage. Lots of people gathered in these places and decided to build their homes nearby, and stay there. More and more came and villages were born.

Very interesting. I dislike the premise, but interesting nonetheless.

[spiraldoor]

Almost all of your criticisms of Christianity are childish complaints based on logical examinations (Sunday isn’t three days after Friday! 25th December used to be a pagan holiday! etc), which have nothing to do with religion, as it’s not based in logic. I’m cool with Christianity, and nothing you’ve said has changed that.

[iambored2006]

Almost all of your criticisms of Christianity are childish complaints based on logical examinations (Sunday isn’t three days after Friday! 25th December used to be a pagan holiday! etc), which have nothing to do with religion, as it’s not based in logic. I’m cool with Christianity, and nothing you’ve said has changed that.

You've said it to me and I'll say it to you: you can do better than that, spiral.

[Tobbe]

Like Hunch said: You are the Rsandee of Judaism, iambored. Nothing but an ignorant bigot.

[iambored2006]

Like Hunch said: You are the Rsandee of Judaism, iambored. Nothing but an ignorant bigot.

What does that even mean? And please keep it simple. This is exactly the reason I didn't want to get into an argument here. I didn't insult you so don't insult me.

[spiraldoor]

While I have my problems with Christianity, I’ve largely outgrown the sort of silly logical nitpicking seen in your post above. The most devout Christians I have encountered are often better people than the atheists I know. Becoming an atheist has not made me a better person – a moral compass loses some effectiveness when the threat of damnation is removed. Do you really think my elderly Catholic relatives give a damn about Persian Zoroastrian festivals? I have a degree of respect for my heritage and the beliefs of my elders – like I said, I’m cool with Christianity, and I’m far past the knee-jerk point where you’ll see me bashing it.

[Tobbe]

Like Hunch said: You are the Rsandee of Judaism, iambored. Nothing but an ignorant bigot.

What does that even mean? And please keep it simple. This is exactly the reason I didn't want to get into an argument here. I didn't insult you so don't insult me.

I'm insulted by all bigotry, ingorance and hateful stupidity. So yes, you did insult me.

[Adsolution]

I just wanna add something in case I sounded a bit unclear on something: I'm entirely fine with Christianity, as I said in my first post, it's what they do that matters. I don't agree with it at all really, but the religion they choose doesn't define the person.

[iambored2006]

While I have my problems with Christianity, I’ve largely outgrown the sort of silly logical nitpicking seen in your post above. The most devout Christians I have encountered are often better people than the atheists I know. Becoming an atheist has not made me a better person – a moral compass loses some effectiveness when the threat of damnation is removed. Do you really think my elderly Catholic relatives give a damn about Persian Zoroastrian festivals? I have a degree of respect for my heritage and the beliefs of my elders – like I said, I’m cool with Christianity, and I’m far past the knee-jerk point where you’ll see me bashing it.

OK. I get your point. It's just a matter of disagreement, so no need to get to personal insults or anything.

Like Hunch said: You are the Rsandee of Judaism, iambored. Nothing but an ignorant bigot.

What does that even mean? And please keep it simple. This is exactly the reason I didn't want to get into an argument here. I didn't insult you so don't insult me.

I'm insulted by all bigotry, ingorance and hateful stupidity. So yes, you did insult me.

Now you're just being stupid. You keep saying I'm ignorant and you didn't even say why. Did you even read the new testament yourself?

[Adsolution]

Now you're just being stupid. You keep saying I'm ignorant and you didn't even say why. Did you even read the new testament yourself?

I'm in agreement with Tobbe here... you're saying that Christianity is "fucked up" because of the controversy when stating afterward that every religion has tons of controversy.