Rayman Origins

[El Dango]

Hey, US dweller here.

I Just finished this game last night.

I just wanted to let ya'll in the UK know that this game is just pure brilliance in every sense of the word. It's been quite a long time since I've played a PERFECT game. Every single inch of this game is just FLAWLESS.. from the visuals all the way down to the physics in game play. The game just keeps getting better and better as you get farther into the adventure.

I seriously haven't been this amazed by game play and presentation in a very long time.

Set your expectations WAY high guys and get ready for a WILD ride.

I count this as another positive review, woop woop!

[Haruka]

I didn't see any failures when I played the DEMO, to be honest.

I'm sure the game will impress me even more than my current expectations.

[Master]

Hey, US dweller here.

I Just finished this game last night.

I just wanted to let ya'll in the UK know that this game is just pure brilliance in every sense of the word. It's been quite a long time since I've played a PERFECT game. Every single inch of this game is just FLAWLESS.. from the visuals all the way down to the physics in game play. The game just keeps getting better and better as you get farther into the adventure.

I seriously haven't been this amazed by game play and presentation in a very long time.

Set your expectations WAY high guys and get ready for a WILD ride.

I count this as another positive review, woop woop!

Well...why not?
Does anyone know RO's exact position in the timeline?

I didn't see any failures when I played the DEMO, to be honest.

I'm sure the game will impress me even more than my current expectations.

I want to be impressed, I DEMAND TO BE GOBSMACKED, THAT I GAZE UPON RO IN AWE!
The demo is probably a meekling of the greatness RO is...

[Rayman3DS]

Does anyone know RO's exact position in the timeline?

After Rayman 3

[Cephrien]

There's really no evidence in-game that the game is a sequel. :l
I dunno where people are getting this--
Plus almost every thing about it points to it being prequel.

[ikke471]

There's really no evidence in-game that the game is a sequel. :l
I dunno where people are getting this--
Plus almost every thing about it points to it being prequel.

the script has enough evydence

[Cephrien]

There's really no evidence in-game that the game is a sequel. :l
I dunno where people are getting this--
Plus almost every thing about it points to it being prequel.

the script has enough evydence

--and what "evidence" would that be? : x

[ikke471]

text and references to the games before RO
( tarayzan and things like the magician saying: I allways wanted to be like Mr. dark he was misterious and mighty and that kind of stuff )

[Electoon]

--and what "evidence" would that be? : x

I think that there is enough evidence in the game itself, including the fact that the original story about Bettila creating Rayman being dropped, and the fact that Rayman knows and interacts with characters he wouldn't have met yet if it was a prequel.

Also, from what I've heard, this script is little to go by. It seems most of the things from it have been cut from the final game, so I wouldn't really call it reliable.

[Droolie]

Because of the huge spoiler that almost everybody knows about now, we know that it is definitely after Rayman 1. Rayman 1 wouldn't make sense if this came before it.
There are also various references to the other games that have been kept in the game - more than enough to know this is after Rayman 3 (or at least after 2, because there are no references to Rayman 3 - it would be kind of silly to make a game that's set between R2 and R3 though).
Besides - Murfy is in it, who said "see you in Rayman 4!" - so we know that this is in fact Rayman 4.

[Shrooblord]

Hang on, how can RO be before Rayman 1? Surely you are born (or get created as is the case here) and then you go on epic adventures, not vice versa.
I bet I'll get a wall of spoilers as response now.

[Droolie]

Hang on, how can RO be before Rayman 1? Surely you are born (or get created as is the case here) and then you go on epic adventures, not vice versa.
I bet I'll get a wall of spoilers as response now.

Rayman doesn't get created in any of the games, I don't really see what's your point there.

[Cephrien]

Bettila DID create Rayman. Nothing about that has changed, other than the cutscene not being there. I'm pretty sure that was just for promotional trailer purposes anyway-- and what characters are you talking about? Globox? Murfy? If that's what you mean, then that's kind of a stretch. There's no reason why they couldn't have been friends chronologically before the original Rayman even though they weren't in there.

Tarayzan isn't even in the game. The only area I HAVEN'T been to is the land of the livid dead and I'm betting he won't be there either.
Also, the Magician didn't say anything LIKE that while I was playing. Unless I missed a hat hint somewhere..?

Lol. I don't know what kind of script you guys are reading, but I highly suggest you wait for the game before you believe whatever you read. o.O

[Shrooblord]

What? But I thought that in the trailer of RO it is seen how he is created. Is this not the case? It wouldn't suprise me if it wasn't - I've deliberately been avoiding all things even remotely related to the storyline so I wouldn't be spoilt.

MAY CONTAIN SPOILER.
[But hang on, if the game reveals the origin of Mr. Dark, how come he's already been beaten? I mean, if RO is to take place after R1, Mr. Dark is beaten and fled or possibly dead, so where does that leave our new Teensie friend...?]

[spiraldoor]

Thanks for answering my question Cephrien – the early script seemed to indicate vaguely that [Mr Dark was a fake, and a cosplaying fanboy at that], but it appears that the developers have removed that idea from the game. Did you notice that [the apparent Mr Dark was the same character who’d been collecting your Lums at the end of each level]? It’s all terribly confusing.

[By the way, if anyone is as obessed with this matter as I am, you may be interested to hear that I’ve found some more evidence that the Magician is indeed Mr Dark. First of all, the posters he has on the wall depict the Mr Dark of Rayman Origins – this would make no sense if the Mr Dark of R1 was a separate character and the Magician was a fanboy of his. The Mr Dark of R1 had an enormous picture of himself in the middle of his floor, so it seems fitting that he would also decorate his new lair with images of himself.

Secondly, and more convincingly: the star. He rips the star off his hat. This suggests that he’s really Mr Dark, shedding his disguise when he gets caught. If he was really the Magician disguised as Mr Dark, this would mean that he was essentially donning his disguise after the heroes discover his secret. But if he’s really the original Mr Dark, and the Magician character was a masquerade all along, his mocking removal of the star makes perfect sense.]

[Droolie]

Cephrien - [Bettila does not create Rayman in the game at all - it's been scrapped just like most of the Magician/Mr Dark dialogue.
If the magician is Mr Dark and Rayman Origins came before Rayman 1, then Rayman would've known in Rayman 1. He would've known the Magician was a traitor.
The references I'm talking about are the lines the Bubble Dreamer says when you pull his beard playing with the different skins. There used to be a Tarayzan skin but it's been scrapped as well. There is a line in the game where Polokus mentions the confusion of the Grand Minimus about who's the real king - that happens in Rayman 2, so it can only be after Rayman 2. More evidence: Since he doesn't know the Bubble Dreamer/Polokus in Rayman 2 (they're the same character, as is mentioned in several places in the game), we know that this is after Rayman 2.
The script was real, but a lot got scrapped from it for some reason.]

Spiral - [How does having posters of themselves prove us that they are the same characters? It just means that they both really like themselves, just like a lot of villains do.
The star removal indeed suggests it is Mr Dark, but it doesn't say anything about him being the Mr Dark from the first game. It would make just as much sense if he ripped the star off to reveal his real identity, saying the lines from the script. I believe only the dialogue was scrapped and the scene was shortened, but that shouldn't change anything to Teensoudini's identity.]

[spiraldoor]

There's really no evidence in-game that the game is a sequel. :l
I dunno where people are getting this--
Plus almost every thing about it points to it being prequel.

Well, the official website’s description of Mr Dark states that ‘the archenemy from Rayman 1 returns’, and gives a synopsis of R1’s story in the past tense and from an in-story perspective. Also, the Bubble Dreamer mistakes one of the Teensy skins for a Robo-Pirate. The script contained a couple of skins that were cut from the final game (Tarayzan and Uglette), and the dialogue accompanying them made it really clear that Origins wasn’t a prequel – these aren’t necessarily canon, but they’re still a good indication that the developers intended this game to be a sequel. The game still contains dialogue where the Bubble Dreamer talks about the Grand Minimus’s ‘I am the king! No, it’s me!’ routine, which is something that only occurred after the Grand Minimus had been locked in a cage with three other Teensies in Rayman 2. The Bubble Dreamer also mentions the creation of Dark Rayman by Mr Dark (which of course occurred way back during R1) if you pull his beard with the Dark Rayman skin (at least, I’m pretty sure that’s the case; the very presence of a Dark Rayman skin is compelling evidence in and of itself that Origins is a sequel, not a prequel). You’ll also notice that the idea of Rayman and Globox maturing and becoming the heroes of the other games (which was the main focus of the first trailer) has been completely dropped since; the removal of the cutscene showing Rayman’s creation helps to distance it even further from the original prequel idea. (Edit: something else to consider is the fact that we were recently given a new ‘origins’ adventure story for Rayman. Rayman Origins was initially intended to tell the story of Rayman’s first adventure, but now that the developers have scrapped that concept, they’ve given us a new and different story to make up for it: according to the game’s manual, Rayman was created to combat Jano, the First Bad Dream of Polokus – this final, canonical origin story has absolutely nothing to do with Rayman Origins itself, in which Jano does not appear (and is not even mentioned). It also ties into the beginning of the original game very nicely – when the Magician says ‘They definitely need a hero to save them now... don’t you think? Rayman to the rescue!’, he is referring to Rayman’s unseen first adventure, where he heroically defeated Jano, putting an end to his invasion and presumably resulting in his banishment to the Cave of Bad Dreams, as seen in Rayman 2.) Whenever the developers are talking about the game, they always say it’s about going back to the series’s roots (2D gameplay and fantastical worlds), not about going back to Rayman’s birth. The word ‘prequel’ is never used by the developers or the marketing department – not once. ‘Sequel’, on the other hand, has been used – Ancel stated that they had decided to make the game a ‘real sequel’, which has to count for something (although I’ll grant the possibility that something was lost in translation, but I don’t think it’s likely). Another thing is that the official Rayman 3 site said that the Great Spirit Palmito imprisoned the Griskins in a tower of light so that they wouldn’t awaken any more of the sleeping spirits that dwell in the Land of the Livid Dead – Rayman Origins shows exactly what happens when the sleeping spirits beneath the Land of the Livid Dead are roused. Also, Murfy, Polokus and the Grand Minimus are depicted as already being Rayman’s friends by the beginning of Origins, whereas in Rayman 2 it’s quite clear that they are meeting him for the first time. And let’s not forget Murfy’s line in R3: ‘See you in Rayman 4!’ In R1, Betilla introduces herself to Rayman, which casts some doubt on the canonicity of the scene depicting Rayman’s birth (not to say that it didn’t occur, as it’s directly referenced by the final game; just that some of the details may have changed – for example, we know that the other nymphs were involved in the ritual, and that Lums were used), and certainly wouldn’t make sense if they already knew each other well (and Origins makes it quite clear that they do). Also, Rayman has his R3 appearance, and many of the characters (like the Livingstones and the Hunters) look older and more cynical. Finally, Rayman Origins ends with a certain twist pertaining to the trustworthiness of a certain character, which would only make sense if Origins took place after R1.

tl;dr – Rayman Origins is definitely a sequel, not a prequel. Spread the word! Now I have to go and re-think my life again; something’s definitely amiss here.

[sergiomonty]

Oh Cephrien, this game is definitively a sequel, actually, there's no evidence that demostrates that this game is a prequel.

-Rayman Origins doesn't feature the cutscene with Betilla creating rayman at the beginning of the game (Actually, she and the other nymphs created him, with or without the cutscene, it's written in the Knowledge of the World, so it wasn't scrapped at all).
-It's not explained how rayman met globox (possibly, he was rejected from the Red Wizards community because he was considered a freak, and rayman accepted him because he was a freak too, and then they became heroes).
-Rayman befriends the moskito before rayman 1? No, he doesn't.
-Also, the website says that Polokus turned into Jano sometime ago (and that "sometime ago" was rayman 2).
-There are more than 999 lums in this game (possibly...they reproduced or something)
-Finally (The magician reveals himself as Mr Dark, and at the end, Rayman kills him when he makes his entire empire of evil explode, so there's no possibility of him making a return in rayman 1, alive and as a good guy).

[Master]

The whole sequel thing works pretty nicely, except for their behaviours...could someone explain that to me, my poor brain hurts after all that confusion with Mr. Dark

[Haruka]

So from one moment to another, the game stopped to be prequel to R1 and it is now a R2 sequel and a R3 prequel. Hmmm, I need to confirm this when I start to play the game.