Rayman Origins

[EvanEDavies]

I'M PLAYING IT I'M PLAYING IT FINALLY, IT'S SO AWESOME

[sergiomonty]

I PM'd Hunch about it since I might better not do this as this is an official soundtrack. As in, you can buy it, unlike all the other soundtracks I put online on RayTunes.

It’s going to show up on YouTube anyway. Until then, could you describe it? How do you know it’s Mr Dark’s theme? Is it similar to his music in the original?

[I guess I don't have to use transparent text now.The Magician is an impostor.He made yopu think she was Mr.Dark that's why his "hair" fell]

[The Magician’s hair turning out to be a wig makes absolutely no sense in relation to your theory. Think about it.]

[Why? The Magician's hat fell and his wig fell with it.The ended up with no hair like every other Teensie.That may mean that the real Mr Dark isn't a Teensie,but it's just a theory]

[Think. If the Magician was impersonating Mr Dark, why – exactly – would he wear a wig throughout the game? And why rip the star off his hat when he’s caught? It makes much more sense the other way round: Mr Dark was impersonating the Magician, even in the first game, and there never really was a Magician at all.]

I'm not using transparent text here because it's not necessary. Sorry spiraldoor, your theory is wrong, I have the manual, and he's confirmed to be "The Magician and his Magic Hat", (and also is confirmed to be Mr Dark on the Website, so, no, the magician is not an impostor, he's the real magician, and apparently, he was wearing a wig since rayman 1)

[Keane]

Sorry spiraldoor, your theory is wrong

Expect war. Huge war.

[sergiomonty]

^Not actually, since I have official sources, and he's still making suppositions. He's actually having some terrible headaches trying to know what's going on with...uh... the Magician's role, he told me, and believe me, it's something that even I can't understand... If only Michel was here to explain us

[Keane]

^Not actually, since I have official sources, and he's still making suppositions. He's actually having some terrible headaches trying to know what's going on with...uh... the Magician's role, he told me, and believe me, it's something that even I can't understand... If only Michel was here to explain us

I have the game too. Only a two more worlds and i'll be able to find out the clue to this havoc about The Magician.

[Sabertooth]

I have the game too. Only a two more worlds and i'll be able to find out the clue to this havoc about The Magician.

Nope, sorry. It doesn't really answer any questions.

[Keane]

I have the game too. Only a two more worlds and i'll be able to find out the clue to this havoc about The Magician.

Nope, sorry. It doesn't really answer any questions.

I doubt that.

[Sabertooth]

I doubt that.

Sure, but I guarantee by the end you'll be scratching your head in confusion.

[K.NARREN]

I'm going to break my vow of silence for 2 reasons

1- because I'm pretty much hated around here right now so I'm not really too bothered about telling Spiraldoor that he's wrong, I have my own moderators elsewhere who I get along just fine with so I'm not afraid of no ghost
2-Because Rayman origins was created by gods and that Michael Ancel, whatever I may say about him, knows how to construct wonderful games.

Okay okay, so I don't think Spiraldoor is horribly wrong as much as slightly off base.

The first thing I understand about Spiraldoor is that he's horrifically anal. As just about everyone I've spoken to has said, it's a game. It's wonderful that they tried to bring in all these extra little tidbits for the fans, but ultimately every game might as well take place in a different universe, which tbh has always frustrated me to no end, so it's not like I don't sympathise with you here. But, I've been doing some detective work, and from what I can find the original script appears to still be true.

Spoilers follow-[ The second thing is that I spoiled the game for myself, watched all of the final battle- here's the thing. If you look around the office of the magician, there's pictures of the REAL mr Dark. He's bigger, he's much more of a triangle, and there's even a poster that effectively says 'I love mr D'. Ubi clearly wanted to hint at the story from the original script and while it doesn't come across very well, it does make sense that the Magician is an admirer in both versions. He's been missing for years, he's found out more about the lums- and what magical mysterious fellow wouldn't decide that actually, the guy harnessing the power to do amazing things might actually be right? It's a great twist and it actually leads to the idea that there may be sequels. I don't think either character is truly dead even after, but I do think that when you look at the art of origins mr dark and of the mr dark as seen in the fan posters in his room, you really understand that the magician is simply a massive fanboy.

As for the wig, it's a sight gag. It's funny. If Ubi can retcon things out of the blue like they have with this and all the other rayman games, then a wig can just be a sight gag.

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I don't want a war because I don't think anyone here has any bad intentions. But I do think that not looking at this as the way Ubi intended might be a bad idea. The theory above, added to everything else present, just seems to make more sense and leave more open for a sequel. And this is for the fans, not for what me or anyone else wants. It's that bit of optimism that's going to make people like me get hyped at your marvellous wiki, it's gonna get people to stop bitching, and it's gonna help out the original vision and the feeling over this gorgeous game.

[sergiomonty]

The story tells itself graphically, we only can find "official" what we see, and what we see is (The Magician (officially confirmed as the magician on the manual) betraying Rayman and his friends by turning himself into Mr Dark (officially confirmed by the website). If the script told the real story, then Voodoo Mama would be a glute instead of a Nymph, Tarrayzan and Uglette would be in the game, and obviously: THE REAL MR DARK WOULD BE DEAD AND THE MAGICIAN WOULD BE JUST A FAN. That's not happening. Spiraldoor, I just suggest you to stop trying to find a backstory, the Magician is Mr Dark, there's nothing else to do.

-He pulled out his star for a simple reason: Mr Dark also had a redesign, just like Rayman. The game is just pretending that Mr Dark was wearing a top hat since rayman 1. If you check the Website, there are some differences that make Mr Dark's redesign different from the Magician, Mr Dark has sunglasses and wears completely black clothes, and his coat is BIG. The Magician wears purple and only uses a black, small coat. If rayman only recognizes Mr Dark's top hat, there's no need to hide his body with his coat anymore, so he just pulled out his star.
-The wig was obviously just a joke to make fun of him, nothing deep.

However, we can mention on the wiki the script's scrapped idea )

[Sabertooth]

That would be great if this game were to be novelized. It would answer any and all questions and give us a better view of Rayman's world. Too bad I doubt it will ever happen.

[K.NARREN]

@sergiomonty-Now wait a minute, just because one thing is cut out doesn't mean it's all cut out completely or not hinted at. Look back at the office in the last room, look at the posters. When I see them, the evidence seems overwhelming. What would you rather have, the optimistic view that doesn't betray the intent and keeps the fans happy, or the anal view that keeps it from being enjoyable in the slightest.

EDIT: Wait, I can't figure out who's theory is who's because of this dumb text thing I'm using to wade through the transparent text. I might actually be with spiraldoor on this one if I've gotten things wrong.

[sergiomonty]

^... Anal, seriously? okay, read this: in RRR3, Rayman has a picture of himself as he looked in R2. He's not a fake rayman being a fan of the other Rayman. Also, That doesn't explain the star pull out. Also, during the story, if you crush the hat, the magician will hint that he's clearly an egocentric maniac who doesn't care about his friends, he possibly just loves himself TOO MUCH. The artists possibly hinted the "I love Mr D" thing just for fun, there are tons of scrapped ideas that are hinted, like the Blue Wizard teensie having a twin (obviously the scrapped orange one who wears the same clothes), the bubble dreamer mentioning Voodoo Mama (who was scrapped) when talking to red globox and blue rayman, and the bubble dreamer's jokes about the green teensie being "the king the last time" since the developers decided to turn the real king into a unlockable character and put a green teensie instead.

[K.NARREN]

^... Anal, seriously? okay, read this:

Bollocks, there's being anal but there's also missing really obvious nods. So it turns out it might actually be Spiraldoor I agree with. Just as well he edits the wiki then, and not you :V

[sergiomonty]

wtf o-O are you a kid or something?

[Sabertooth]

EDIT: Wait, I can't figure out who's theory is who's because of this dumb text thing I'm using to wade through the transparent text. I might actually be with spiraldoor on this one if I've gotten things wrong.

You can just highlight the transparent text.

[sergiomonty]

At least I can discuss rationally with spiraldoor, but this guy is inmature o_O. So, according to you, I can't edit the wiki only because you say I can't...

Right

[K.NARREN]

I fail to see how my response has at all pointed me out to be childish. I've already said that I can't figure out this forums spoiler system (too used to spoiler boxes elsewhere) so I've mixed up who thinks what. Whoever thinks ubi's original intent for Mr Dark, which is clearly present in the reveal level, is the official hint, then it's the person I agree with.

Also you may have also noticed the date I joined. I'm no stranger to these forums, so less of the feigned surprise. I don't come here often, and I'm intervening because I getting tired of watching people go back and forth and not stepping in on what might possibly be a sequel inducing reveal.

From what I understood, Spiraldoor is the only person who can edit the wiki. Clearly I was wrong.

[sergiomonty]

^ Oh ok, sorry then
I noticed that you were an older user, however, it doesn't say anything, there are tons of forums where the older users are just a bunch of douchebags I think I was wrong with you then ... Anyway, I'm not familiar to the term...well... "anal"

[K.NARREN]

It's okay, I actually am quite a massive douchebag. Just ask everyone here about the time I said I disliked rayman 2

And ahh, basically anal is like being really OCD- in this case it's not letting anything be vague, everything has to be final and definite in the history of rayman.