Rayman Legends

[sergiomonty]

A new B-K from Rare? I don't think so, the original team left the company. Also, the creator of Conker left Rare too and works in mobile games.

[Bionichute]

This thread:

[GNineify]

Well duh, of course it goes off the rails, when there hasn't been news about Rayman Legends.

[Robotic Teensie]

[quote="Adsolution"][quote="Robotic Teensie"]Well, okay. I wasn't sure how serious you were about your analogy... good to see you're not that misguided. I couldn't really tell after ridiculous statements like this:
[quote="Adsolution"] Fuck school, it's immoral and an unjust means of success[/quote]
You sound like an anarchist - "the system is evil!". Please explain why the hell school is "immoral" and "unjust"? I understand you're frustrated. You want to become an artist and you think you don't need so much education. I get that. Being an artist isn't really something you can learn at school. I too dislike having to study things like ancient Greek that I know I will not need later on. But... you're overreacting.[/quote]I believe that it's almost factually immoral for children to have to learn this way - and are required by law to waste at least ten years of their precious life to meet society's expectations of being a citizen. There's no outside option for those who have a passion or know what they want to do. It's not learning that I find to be 'evil,' as you put it, it's the method in which it's enforced. I think it's also a very old-fashioned belief that children learn at the same rate. They try to group kids together and teach them the same things at the same pace.

You know, I could go on and on about the flaws of modern schooling in particular, but there are too many negative things about it worth wasting my time writing about. Why even try to defend it? It's a system designed to benefit the economy by producing people that can get down and work in the easiest, cheapest way possible, by throwing them all in a classroom and reading a book to them - disobedience of participating in the schooling process is considered truancy, and is a criminal offense; seriously? Sure, the odd charismatic teacher makes the experience seem a little more enjoyable, but that's virtually the same thing as trying to make moving through airport customs a 'fun' activity. If you enjoy school and it moves right at your own pace and you feel incredibly productive and at home there, then great, it was built for you, but most people do not enjoy school and would rather be doing something else that they enjoy. If not, then why not instead utilise system that leans toward and benefits the individual, focusing on their interests and teaching it to them in a fashion that they can understand and having them later bring it to life, so motivated that it will contribute to the advancement of our civilisation?

If that isn't their thing and they would rather enjoy life around the edges, then leave them be; there are plenty of people who would be perfectly content living on a lakeside house, fishing for their family and strumming a tune about the wonders of life.

Unfortunately, almost all companies require of you a graduation certificate at the very least - and usually a post-secondary degree of some kind - to work for them. Why? Is that not immoral and unjust? Logic tells me that it is.[/quote]
Hmmm, I see your point. Unfortunately I don't think politicians would agree :/

People without education give all sorts of trouble. Making education optional would result in some people like the guy "living on a lakeside house", but also a lot of criminals or at the very least people who simply cost the society a lot of money and other resources. They all certainly don't contribute to the advancement of our civilisation.

Also, many children/teenagers will not be able to make the correct decision. They'll think "hey I can get out of school, awesome" and find out a while later they can't start their dream career because they don't have the correct education. Bam, life ruined. They could back to school... but they now have to deal with a costly delay. Or they could start stealing or a thousand other bad things. It's such an important decision; most would be able to make it only when they're pretty much done with their compulsory education anyway. The easiest solution is to enforce education... it's not always the best, but it prevents a lot of problems.

It would certainly be better if education was more specifically adapted to suit the individual's needs. That would be tricky and expensive though... and nobody likes expensive. The current system is apparently "good enough"...

[OCG]

I still find it funny how Rayman Legends Topic turned into school talk

[Bradandez]

A new B-K from Rare? I don't think so, the original team left the company. Also, the creator of Conker left Rare too and works in mobile games.

I dunno. There's a rumor going around that a new Banjo Kazooie game titled "Bango Kazooie: Grunty Land" is going to be presented at E3.

[OCG]

Grunty land? This better not be city simulator game.

[Bradandez]

Grunty land? This better not be city simulator game.

Some people think that it might be a Nintendo Land rip-off.

[Adsolution]

Hmmm, I see your point. Unfortunately I don't think politicians would agree :/

There's rarely an honest face in politics.

People without education give all sorts of trouble. Making education optional would result in some people like the guy "living on a lakeside house", but also a lot of criminals or at the very least people who simply cost the society a lot of money and other resources. They all certainly don't contribute to the advancement of our civilisation.

I wasn't implying that people who live on said metaphysical lakeside house won't have to work, it just wouldn't be a requirement to have them sit through years and years of dreck to achieve that. There's no reason why a man who fishes for his local sushi restaurant, for instance, has to even understand fractions.

Also, many children/teenagers will not be able to make the correct decision. They'll think "hey I can get out of school, awesome" and find out a while later they can't start their dream career because they don't have the correct education. Bam, life ruined. They could back to school... but they now have to deal with a costly delay.

But how long will it take them to realise that? Most of what you learn in post-secondary doesn't have very much to do with what you learn in high school, and it's usually the case where people find out what they want their dream career is in the late-teens/early-twenties. That's not too late, is it? Besides, without having compulsory, uniform school as a distraction, realistically, the quicker you should be able to realise your dream.

It's such an important decision; most would be able to make it only when they're pretty much done with their compulsory education anyway.

Which is more of a timing and maturity thing that doesn't much come from the actual compulsory education itself.

The easiest solution is to enforce education... it's not always the best, but it prevents a lot of problems.

It prevents these problems, but it doesn't solve them. Everything, even what you are saying, points toward the immorality of the schooling and working system.

Or they could start stealing or a thousand other bad things.

This is definitely a factor to take note of, but I'm sure it won't affect the criminal population that much, if at all.

It would certainly be better if education was more specifically adapted to suit the individual's needs. That would be tricky and expensive though... and nobody likes expensive. The current system is apparently "good enough"...

Indeed. Not enough people care to actually make a difference.

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Some people think that it might be a Nintendo Land rip-off.

Is there a such thing? Nintendo Land is a gimmicky party game itself with no particular unique attributes.

I still find it funny how Rayman Legends Topic turned into school talk

I think that interesting discussion is better than none at all.

[Eshap]

I visit this thread and just

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[Adsolution]

Oh, you people.

[Earth Gwee]

I visit this thread and just

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^This. Made my day.

Hopefully, once Rayman Legends comes out, the thread will have more to talk about and won't go off topic so easily.

Actually, until something new does come up, I do want to point out something I found interesting that CGP Grey brought up in one of his videos about school. That instead of grouping kids by age, they should be grouped by ability. Thinking about that, it makes so much sense and would benefit so many people that are still in school. Now of course, this kind of change to the education system would not be well-received by certain people (politians), but grouping people by ability would help kids with similar interests grow and learn from each other while being able to share their passions.

Just thought I'd throw that out there.

[sergiomonty]

we have a challenges app out already, and nobody seems to talk about it anymore

[OCG]

we have a challenges app out already, and nobody seems to talk about it anymore

Maybe because some of us don't have Wii U so we don't have challenge app?

[Earth Gwee]

A bit blurry, but from what I can see, this looks absolutely gorgeous. I hope this makes it in the final product.

[OCG]

I am more and more hyped for this game every day. I just finished RO LP and I can't wait to start RL. And also I finally swiched to new design on YT. Well I would be forced soon anyway

[Robotic Teensie]

There's rarely an honest face in politics.

Agreed

I wasn't implying that people who live on said metaphysical lakeside house won't have to work, it just wouldn't be a requirement to have them sit through years and years of dreck to achieve that. There's no reason why a man who fishes for his local sushi restaurant, for instance, has to even understand fractions.

That's absolutely true. But that man who fishes didn't know he was just going to work in a restaurant when he was a child. And you gotta start learning about things like fractions when you're still young. When you see a child, why not try and teach them things that could help them later on? The damage you would inflict when not teaching about fractions when the time was right would be even greater. What do you propose then? To not teach people anything for years until they know what they want to do with their life, then teach them the relevant stuff? The best solution I can see is teach everyone basic stuff ("dreck") until they have made their choices about their future, then get more specific in terms of education. But that's sort of what the current system does - primary/secondary school is the basics, then you can go on and study just the relevant things. Or get a simple job.
The only problem here is that secondary education doesn't always finish at exactly the right moment for everyone. Some people already know what they want to do in the last few years of high school, but they're forced to do those final years anyway. That's the situation I'm in, and I suspect you too. At that point what you're forced to learn really does become dreck... it sucks. This is why we need more personalised education.

But how long will it take them to realise that? Most of what you learn in post-secondary doesn't have very much to do with what you learn in high school, and it's usually the case where people find out what they want their dream career is in the late-teens/early-twenties. That's not too late, is it? Besides, without having compulsory, uniform school as a distraction, realistically, the quicker you should be able to realise your dream.

When people find out what their dream career is (like you said, late-teens/early-twenties), then they should make that decision, not before that. It's indeed pretty annoying that only a small part of the things you learn in high school will be relevant in post-secondary - that's where personalisation would help. But again, you have that same problem... what to teach young people when you don't yet know what they will do in the future? Currently, they're basically prepared for everything - no matter what post-secondary study you're going to choose, you're prepared. That works great for people who haven't made their choices yet. For people who have... like I said before, the things you have to learn then turn into dreck... so when you have chosen what you're going to do, you should be handed more relevant things to learn.

It's such an important decision; most would be able to make it only when they're pretty much done with their compulsory education anyway.

Which is more of a timing and maturity thing that doesn't much come from the actual compulsory education itself.

Yeah... the timing makes it pretty complicated. Ideally education should be compulsory until people are mature and can decide they want to leave school with better reasons than "free time ftw!", for example because they've decided they want to be "the lakeside guy". But it's just impossible to do that... where do you draw the line? Not everyone is mature at the same age, and it's a slow process, and it's not really possible to measure it.

The easiest solution is to enforce education... it's not always the best, but it prevents a lot of problems.

It prevents these problems, but it doesn't solve them. Everything, even what you are saying, points toward the immorality of the schooling and working system.

Well... you have to make compromises. That's life. This is not a perfect world... of course it would be better if the problems were solved altogether, but how? I think personalisation is a better solution than making things optional.

Or they could start stealing or a thousand other bad things.

This is definitely a factor to take note of, but I'm sure it won't affect the criminal population that much, if at all.

http://www.slj.com/2008/08/students/cri ... port-says/ - just the first link I found, there's thousands more . I'm sure the amount of school dropouts would increase enormously if education was optional, and I think it would have a profound effect on the crime rate.

[Rayfist]

we have a challenges app out already, and nobody seems to talk about it anymore

I've been using the hell out of it, I did miss 3 days so far, I have not seen you on the scoreboards at all lately.

[OCG]

UbiSoft made mistake not making challenge app for PS3. I wish I can play it.

[Adsolution]

@Robotic Teensie: I'll respond tomorrow, as I'm really tired at the moment.

UbiSoft made mistake not making challenge app for PS3. I wish I can play it.

A mistake? But that's part of the fun and mystery of having exclusive content per-version. Besides, the game was originally developed only to be for the Wii U, and is also likely to be the defining version of the game, so I think it's only fair that it's only fair to save the special, free challenge app just for the Wii U owners.