Rayman Legends

[sergiomonty]

If you think about it, their goal isn't to make a console dedicated solely to gaming

And that is the problem.

Not exactly a problem, it's just not correctly executed, or either anything that we haven't seen before on...you know, a cable box. People who loved playing games on Xbox/Xbox 360 are gonna hate how intrusive these features are, and will be repeled by the idea of a console that can't play games from xbox 360... or even let you borrow games. And still forces you to pay for online.

See? and even the casual audience wouldn't care about the tv features because they already have would have a cable box, and if they don't, believe me, Xbox One is not their preferencial alternative, unless they add some awesome kinect bullshit.

The problem with this generation (that includes PS4) is that the consoles are starting to be less innovative, and they think just adding apps that a pc already has will make a great console. What's the problem with such idea? consoles don't offer any new experience anymore, they're not consoles with awesome PC features, they're PCs with limitations. Wii U can save itself if it manages to convince the audience that the gamepad is neccesary for a revolutionary way to play... if it is. Xbox One will do good if the kinect support is strong enough to... well, at least attract kids, oh, and Halo and Gears of War I guess.... and PS4 will do fine if they manage to have a big amount of exclusives, since "livestreaming" and "sharing" are not innovations at all.

[Rayfist]

consoles are starting to be less innovative

Exactly what I was saying by "problem"

[Adsolution]

It has one HUGE disadvantage. It's region locked unlike PS4. I myself had huge problem with Wii and 360 until I did not mod them since 90% I import.

Most consoles have this, and unless you're really into the trading business, this isn't a very big problem for people, if a problem at all. I understand that it would be more annoying for the Japanese users since they have their own, very small region, but do no game shops in the entire country have what you're looking for?

And that is the problem.

How so, though? It's still a gaming console, it can do everything it could before. The addition of these features however make it more marketable, and it raises appeal for those who aren't as interested in gaming, and perhaps also may introduce them to it. You could argue that you could purchase a bunch of things separately for an arguably cheaper price that would arguably do the same thing, but the XOne's whole workflow appears to be something very innovative when it comes to general entertainment.

We don't really care about the TV features...

Nor do I, but have you seen the popularity of Netflix lately? Apparently an unimaginably enormous amount of people do.

it's the used games policy that ruins everything. That includes the lack of retrocompatibility.

It ruins everything? In my book, the ruining of everything would have to be the result of a first-hand issue, affecting the way you use the console's main features. Of all the things there are to complain about in regards to a console, the major complaints I've heard here are the region lock and used-games policy, which seems rather odd and slightly contrived. However, I completely agree that their new used-games policy, and especially the lack of retrocompatibility are very bad, and the lack of retrocompatibility would be my main hindrance on suggesting the console.

And checking the specs, graphically, the console is a joke compared to ps4.

This is completely false. For what we know currently, the only technical advantage the PlayStation4 has over the Xbox One is that it uses GDDR5 RAM instead of the One's DDR3. All in all, the iteration of RAM is not very important, regardless of the fact that GDDR5 RAM is somewhat faster, and it plays a minuscule role when in competition with GPUs and CPUs, and other features of a system. The One actually has featuristic advantages over the PS4, such as a much more precise, advanced level of motion control, and other things of the sort. Yes, that is a feature worth mentioning, unless you're a video game conservative.

gonna hate how intrusive these features are

Why are we assuming here that they'll end up being intrusive? They likely won't be, but we have nothing to go off of there.

[Rayfist]

The Xbox 360 actually failed REALLY badly in Japan- I can only imagine how the Xbox One will be. I'm also angered by region lock, since I like to collect Japanese games when my dad heads there for a business trip.

[sergiomonty]

gonna hate how intrusive these features are

Why are we assuming here that they'll end up being intrusive? They likely won't be, but we have nothing to go off of there.

Funny, once, I made a comic strip about how intrusive these features could be:



Hopefully, that's not likely to happen. Hopefully.

[Rulez]

It wouldn't even register

[Keane]

I don't think graphical improvement should be what consoles try to market at this point. Does anyone honestly go "Wow!" when they see a PS4 game?

Uninteresting features. Yes, Netflix is popular, but if I wanna watch a movie my first choice is not gonna be a console. Who wants to wait for the Wii U to start up, choose your account, get the TV option running... no, just go to your TV's menu and select Netflix. Done. I don't mind making consoles be more then just games but personally I just see them as pointless apps that made me end up paying more money for a console.

[Adsolution]

I don't think graphical improvement should be what consoles try to market at this point. Does anyone honestly go "Wow!" when they see a PS4 game?

Marginally so. The improvement is enough to leave me s.at least somewhat satisfied. Is it eight years of technological improvement? No, so my satisfaction is very minimal. However, I think we can hope to see some mindblowingly realistic-looking games coming out in a couple of years from now.

Who wants to wait for the Wii U to start up, choose your account, get the TV option running... no, just go to your TV's menu and select Netflix. Done.

You've missed the point again: It rules out the need for a television broadcasting network; all you need is it and a big screen. Plus, how is navigating to Netflix any slower on a console than it would be on a TV? If anything I would expect it to almost be faster, as you wouldn't even need a controller, nor would you have to use a clunky TV remote to navigate through one of those horrible, clunky satellite operating systems.

[OCG]

Classic PS1 graphics are still best for me

[Robotic Teensie]

And checking the specs, graphically, the console is a joke compared to ps4.

This is completely false. For what we know currently, the only technical advantage the PlayStation4 has over the Xbox One is that it uses GDDR5 RAM instead of the One's DDR3. All in all, the iteration of RAM is not very important, regardless of the fact that GDDR5 RAM is somewhat faster, and it plays a minuscule role when in competition with GPUs and CPUs, and other features of a system. The One actually has featuristic advantages over the PS4, such as a much more precise, advanced level of motion control, and other things of the sort. Yes, that is a feature worth mentioning, unless you're a video game conservative.

I think he meant this: the Xbox One GPU has 12 compute units (1.2 teraflops) while the PS4 has 18 (1.8 teraflops) - PS4 has 50% more raw graphics power.
Also, if I remember correctly, on the Xbox One 3 out of 8 GB of RAM will be reserved for the OS, while that's 1 out of 8 GB on the PS4.
It looks like the PS4 will be more powerful.

[Hunchman801]

Mystical Piqué?

Here's a speaking example of hypercorrection.

[Robotic Teensie]

What? Where did Adsolution post that? Not in this thread I think...

[Rulez]

Page #391.

[sergiomonty]

Mystical Piqué?

Here's a speaking example of hypercorrection.

Lol, you're clearly lost, Hunch. That was posted long ago... a week maybe.

[Rulez]

Mystical Piqué?

Here's a speaking example of hypercorrection.

Lol, you're clearly lost, Hunch. That was posted long ago... a week maybe.

And?

[sergiomonty]

And?

[Hunchman801]

Lol, you're clearly lost, Hunch. That was posted long ago... a week maybe.

How does replying to a message posted six days ago involve being lost?

[Rulez]

He thinks he's making a point because he said the word "clearly".

[Raymanni]

He thinks he's making a point because he said the word "clearly".

You are clearly right.

[Adsolution]

I think he meant this: the Xbox One GPU has 12 compute units (1.2 teraflops) while the PS4 has 18 (1.8 teraflops)

Hm, can you link me to the information? I've never seen this written on any of the spec sheets I've looked at.

If that's the case though, then yeah, perhaps you're right about it being more powerful. Laughable in comparison like Sergio said? Not really. The hardware of the newer generation is approximately 7-8 times more powerful than the now-ending generation. Even 50% more raw graphics power is the difference between running a scene at 22 FPS and just 30 FPS, so realistically, not much of a compromise needs to be made.