Something Bothering you?/Daily Doldrums

[Snagglebee]

You'll be amazed at how much awesome comes out if you buy lots and lots of alcohol.

Debts and pain

[neo]

But what bothers me daily is whether religion is true or not, and if so then which one? Not trying to start a massive argument but that truly is what used to bother me, until I came to the conclusion that the problem only exists because of the human mind, I mean insects just live life how they do, some don't even have brains but just live on instinct, but sinc our brains are so complex these questions arise, I decided I'd just live how I do and never mind everything else, if one of them were true and I go to hell, so be it, I am doomed, hopefully not though

I see what you mean. You are saying that you think it's just better you live in ignorance. I say, believe what you want to believe. If you want to believe in god, look for sign. If you can't find anything, maybe he's not there. I think when it comes to religion, there won't be a DEFINITIVE answer. It's really up to you and your faith.

I think I may be agnostic when it comes to religion, but I just say I'm catholic and lazy. I try to avoid any debates on religion.

[Son of Dark]

That was always the problem with me, I took things as serious as I could. I went through a phase quite a few years ago, being a fear of going to hell, and used to get depressed over people suffering in hell. At 7 years old I was Christian, since my Aunt use to babysit me and she was the only Christian in the family, I was inspired by her, and then after I used to talk to God occasionally, but then at what, 15 I think, is when I began to question this that and the other, and my logic used to get the better of me, I decided I'd just believe that it can't be known, thus I became agnostic.

At which point I also created many theories in word documents, though my logic also contradicted those too so that's it.

I used to think I got signs a lot of the time, but I now dismiss them as coincidences

[GNineify]

I must say that I'm a very militant atheist. I try my best to respect religious people, but... I just can't help but think that their thinking is inferior and weak. Of course I just keep it to myself though. They can believe whatever they want.

[Son of Dark]

Precisely, anyone can believe what they want...

You see, that phrase is meant to be peace and goodness and all the rest, and perhaps it is, but not for me, I wanted to know the truth, I don't want to have a religion for its suitability, heck I wouldn't even want to have a religion if I found out it was true! And that would be because I probably wouldn't agree with it! I have a personal phrase I made-

"The truth is that we do not know the truth"

People have a religion either if they've been brought up by it or converted due to the fact that they like the other belief. Well so did I like the theories I came up with, though it was only then I realized my ignorance, that I only constructed them since its what I wanted, perfect...

I know nothing, and I shall leave it that

Do you guys think animals think of these things too?

[spiraldoor]

You'll be amazed at how much awesome comes out if you buy lots and lots of alcohol.

Debts and pain

That depends how smart and responsible you are as a person.

[Adsolution]

Oh God, people and their money problems. You'll be amazed how much money comes out if you don't buy alcohol&cigaretts etc.

What bothers me? People who don't respect me and treat me like a fool just because I'm not like them.

Maybe a lot of people treat you like a fool because of some of the inappropriate, ignorant things you say on a regular basis. Given your history, you seem pretty spoiled both privilege-wise and money-wise and for the most part seem unaware of what it's like to not actually have money. Regardless of whether you meant it in regards to MLII, it looks exactly like you're assumming that the reason people have money problems is simply because they're wasting their money.

I must say that I'm a very militant atheist. I try my best to respect religious people, but... I just can't help but think that their thinking is inferior and weak. Of course I just keep it to myself though. They can believe whatever they want.

Aye, I feel the exact same way. In a sense, I almost don't respect them as much because they don't want to think rationally, but for the sake of keeping others happy and my mind free from potential cynicism, I try to stay away from thinking about that in particular.

[spiraldoor]

Militant atheists tend to be insufferable jackasses. I'd much rather spend my time with "inferior and weak" Christians.

[Adsolution]

I'm militant within my own mind. I'm almost never vocal about it, it almost never affects my social interaction or what I get out of spending time with religious folk, and you'd never be able to tell unless I actually stated so. If I do vocalise views for a particular cause, I may disguise them as something else in order to avoid conflict.

[Serza5]

Can't say i'm really for or against religion even I question some practices in a few. Even then I don't ever feel i'm superior to one who is part of a religion, or that they're inferior rather. Never really felt the need to think of someone as stupid unless they act as such in public.

[MLII]

bleeeeh i feel slightly uncomfortable around religious people, mostly Christians, but then I could be wrong being that most of the Christians I have seen are the angry American Republican type :c

[Xenon]

I'm militant within my own mind. I'm almost never vocal about it, it almost never affects my social interaction or what I get out of spending time with religious folk, and you'd never be able to tell unless I actually stated so. If I do vocalise views for a particular cause, I may disguise them as something else in order to avoid conflict.

I don't think that's particularly militant. That's just having a fairly unsavoury view of religious beliefs and attitudes. I see militant as actively engaging with religious people and attempting to convert them to atheism, which I too abhor.

[Son of Dark]

One of the things I don't get about religious people is how they can be friends with people who don't share the same beliefs, since in their religion (Not all religions), if you reject Christ or Allah, you'll go to hell, so how can you be friends with someone knowing they'll go to hell?

That's one of the many reasons I stopped having a religion, no point being a Christian if you believe in evolution, it clearly states in the Bible otherwise. People are changing this that and the other and yet claim they're in that religion, you tell me, you've got to take these things seriously.

[Adsolution]

I'm militant within my own mind. I'm almost never vocal about it, it almost never affects my social interaction or what I get out of spending time with religious folk, and you'd never be able to tell unless I actually stated so. If I do vocalized views for a particular cause, I may disguise them as something else in order to avoid conflict.

I don't think that's particularly militant. That's just having a fairly unsavoury view of religious beliefs and attitudes. I see militant as actively engaging with religious people and attempting to convert them to atheism, which I too abhor.

That's much more accurate, I couldn't find the right words for it.

[Xenon]

One of the things I don't get about religious people is how they can be friends with people who don't share the same beliefs, since in their religion (Not all religions), if you reject Christ or Allah, you'll go to hell, so how can you be friends with someone knowing they'll go to hell?

That's a very dated view if I might be so bold. Do you also believe heterosexual people should not befriend homosexual people because of their differing positions on subjects like sex and marriage?

[Adsolution]

One differing view is very rarely all it takes to destroy a true friendship, especially if the friends have other things in common or agree upon many other topics. I do see however, like anything, that it can degrade the quality of the friendship to a varying extent if the views are differing or prominent enough to the point of intrusion.

[Keane]

I must say that I'm a very militant atheist. I try my best to respect religious people, but... I just can't help but think that their thinking is inferior and weak. Of course I just keep it to myself though. They can believe whatever they want.

This.

I can accept if someone is religious and I'm fine with that unless they push it over the border or, especially this, don't return the respect. I've just recently, as many probably know, spend a few years in the United States. All the way South in Texas. During this period, I can say that I've not really had any friendships. Well, one, but not friendship in terms of being able to share something personal with this person. The guy was nice but all we talked about was what music we liked or video games but it didn't go past that. Religion is strong in southern USA and it's kept me from being able to go outside and meet someone for a long time, thus resulting in summer vacations the size of three months that I spend inside doing near to nothing, and really just counting the days left until I could get the hell out of the country.

Blaming religion for being unable to get along with people might seem incredibly exaggerated, and I won't deny that cultural differences played a role in it too, but they take it to a whole other level there. I never mentioned religion or even dared bring up the fact that I don't believe in it, cos' they'll just give you a surprised look and avoid you from then on. Not kidding, there were people I got along with until they hear I was Atheist and they just fucked me over. Well, except for one guy who brought a Bible to me and told me that if I didn't quickly read it I'd go to hell (Yes, this actually happened.) but I can't give less of a fuck about people who shove it in your face like that. I am respectful against religious people, still, but the absurd disrespect from religious people towards Atheists is insane. I won't go ahead and label every religious person as a bag of shit but I think that my dislike has definitely grown because of those events.

And besides that I just really can't stand it when people talk about homosexuals like they're an evil force or when they choose to refuse common sense.

Now for that one friend I had, I felt bad. His family was Jewish, and it was strong in their family, but as I got to know him more I quickly realised that his ideas weren't like theirs at all. He often joked about religion and hinted at not really believing it all but remained to say that he was fully Jewish. I just don't like the way religion is handled and how most kids are basically forced into it by their parents, shoving it in their faces, daily. I don't know, maybe the picture I have in my mind is worse then reality is but so far the concept of it all hasn't shown much good for me. It seems to me like people aren't relying on themselves. No, they're relying on a magical man in the sky who will keep them from getting into a shit situation. No, I don't wanna believe that, I wanna believe in myself. I believe that I'm responsible for my actions and that if I fuck up, I fuck up. There's not gonna be a man that answers to my desires of entering a better situation. Right now I'm stuck in a vacation home, locking myself up in a bedroom because the family is constantly in a terrible mood. We can't find a place to live and if things don't change within the matter of a single month we're forced to go back to the US and most likely stay there for another four years and I fucking hate just thinking about that. There's not gonna be a God or a Jesus that'll keep that from happening. The real estate market isn't gonna suddenly change because I make a prayer. If I have to immigrate back I'm gonna right back to a part of my life I am happy is over and nothing will improve the situation.

Sorry, I don't know if I'm sounding incredibly stupid or not cause I'm 15 and not necessarily an expert on the concept of religion, but that's just how I see it. But, either way, if someone is religious here, I respect your decision and won't call you out for it.

[Tobbe]

You have understood a lot more about this subject than the average 15 year old, I can assure you that. My thoughts on these matters are almost exactly the same as yours, and I have studied them quite extensively since I was about your age.

I'm gonna try and kickstart the old religion topic. It's about time something happened there...

[Adsolution]

I think the whole metaphorical concept behind religion is that praying is essentially looking inside yourself for the answer, where "He's within all of us." People claim to have heard voices guiding them when they're in times of need and they open up to hear it, but I'm certain that all it is is that, when they open up or pray, the responses they're supposedly getting are just their gut feeling influencing them, not any external force, and people have mistook this as far back as religion can be traced - especially in the more modern case (the last few thousand years) of it being mercilessly nailed into your head - as being some unified deity literally answering you.

That's just my own theory; stupid people influencing stupid people influencing unfortunately smart people into becoming weak. This (maybe) simple psychological practice of meditating to find the motive you truly believe is right has turned into praying, an organised, extremely literal thing part of something much bigger that has been fabricated over time.

- Sorry for the poor writing, I'm on my phone.

[Son of Dark]

One of the things I don't get about religious people is how they can be friends with people who don't share the same beliefs, since in their religion (Not all religions), if you reject Christ or Allah, you'll go to hell, so how can you be friends with someone knowing they'll go to hell?

That's a very dated view if I might be so bold. Do you also believe heterosexual people should not befriend homosexual people because of their differing positions on subjects like sex and marriage?

You've taken what I said a different way than intended.

No I do not believe that hetros shouldn't be friends with homos, I am stating something completely different-

I mean how can you truly be someone's friend, you care for them, do crap together, heck even love them as a brother, but how can those emotions be true if you believe they'll go to hell since they don't believe in Islam or Christianity or Judaism? Don't you think that's sick?

The school I go to, although it's called Church of England school, about 90% of students and teachers there are Muslim, so many of my friends are also Muslim, however once I was talking to one of them and it came to the point where he simply said "I'm sorry but you're gonna go to hell, it's the sad reality"

What kind of flipping rubbish is that? It's nothing to do with differences, color, gender, sexuality, not even religion to be honest, just the hell bit




A document I typed once

BELOW

WARNING

The script below may prove to be uneasy to take in for religious people it is highly recommended that you do not read this if you do possess a religion the script has much fact and recognition from religious people may lead to discomfort


If you ask a spiritual person to feel a presence, they will most likely agree to feeling it, however this is just because they believe it so much that they think they can feel something, even though they cannot because there is nothing there; the mind is very powerful. It takes great willpower and intelligence for someone to realise these facts. For a strongly religious person, their belief prevents them from trying to see another point of view, though if they did then they would be extremely will powered to do so.
What if I was very articulate and knew an ancient way of writing and I wrote a book, claimed god told me to, and because the people at the time would believe me, a religion was ‘founded’. Then that religion was taught to descendants and maybe even others converted, and then in the current time period the religion is massive. That is what religion is, in a way, it isn’t anything at all…

Another thing is fate. In many religions, it is said that god made us and knows everything we will do, what paths we will take and the rest. But if that is true, then why would god make people who are ‘destined’ not to follow the ‘true’ religion? People say “it’s a test”, but that is very sick and cruel, and what test is it if we are already destined to pass or fail? It is obviously our own free will to either believe something or not, it is not our fate.

Let’s make a scenario. I create life; many and many people, and I expect them all to worship me, and if they don’t do as I command or do not believe in me I will make them suffer eternally. I’ll tell you what that is, what religion taken literally summed up in a nutshell is; inevitability