Son of Dark wrote:Possibly, but I still cannot agree that their is no difference between an organism and idle object, you elaborate on the fact of the 'conscious' level differs, but I think the more relevant point you should be pursuing is the fact that 'oh, the rust occurred because it was there, was always going to happen thus it was fate', comparing to a human 'his emotions said that, and his environment told his instincts to do this, so his brain chose that, making it fate'.
I did pursue that point, what are you wanting me to say? Your request seems unfinished.
Son of Dark wrote:I could ask you the same thing, why have you come to that conclusion? You're just disagreeing with my point and bringing up your own without explaining.
I've given lengthy explanations, dedicated whole posts and paragraphs to it, that's what all of that was. Besides, I've come to the conclusion because it's essentially logical, and so far these theories have been proven to be true in all cases; most of what I've said when it comes to consciousness being developed relative to brain complexity are the kinds of things you learn in first-year biology, and if you want to deny their applicability then that's your decision.
I'm still curious as to what you believe the stark difference is between a living and non-living object; can you tell me what the difference is that so directly separates the two? Bear in mind, a division between the two given that living and non-living objects share similar materials and properties has to be manually thought up and explained, there was no logical divider there to begin with. What is the difference you claim there to be?
Son of Dark wrote:Another way to put it would be if there even is anything we're up against. You see, no-one knows the purpose of fate, existence is only present because of purpose, and we all know that without purpose, nothing would exist.
Either that really doesn't make sense, or I'm not fully understanding what you're meaning. Nothing needs a purpose to exist, as 'purpose' is yet another one of those fake terms that grows off of the notion of free will.
Son of Dark wrote:but as a whole you do have one.
Where did you get this information?
Son of Dark wrote:but then if I'm asked to simply pick up the blue can or the green one, and I choose one, how is that 'fate' choosing it?
Obviously something processed, something in you reacted to external or internal stimuli that eventually made you pick the one you did. Quite simple.
Son of Dark wrote:regardless of favored color or any other factor, and just pick one randomly, what's the point of that being 'fate', why not just me choosing to pick it, and think about it Adsolution, if it's really "our thoughts, emotions, experience of consciousness and instinct that led us to that choice, so fate!" are you saying all those things were not our own?
Indeed, they are not, because without the existence of entities, there isn't a such thing as something being 'entirely our own.' All matter that inhabits an isolated system - in this case our Universe - is just as susceptible to influence as the next piece of matter; your individual thoughts aren't somehow shielded from this, ceasing to play by the rules of the rest of the Universe.
Son of Dark wrote:You cannot explain whether fate has a purpose or not, however evidently I have...
You have? I'm a very logical person, as deep down, that's the basis of everything: logic. Your statements of how things supposedly are - the notion of pure free will included - don't make any sense whatsoever.
If you have a piece of evidence to back up anything you're saying, then by all means do share. All I'm doing is relaying quite common knowledge among students to counter your bafflingly uneducated remarks. It's as if you're doing whatever you can, making it up as you go, trying to find other ways of proving an impossible point. You try to state that your mind is somehow free from the effects of… well, logic.
The only way this is possible is through the existence of entities, which you and I both agree do not exist.
Son of Dark wrote:You say it's all our thoughts and consciousness that lead to what we do so that was always going to happen so fate exists, well in that way of course it does Adsolution,
Everything we do is a result of a sequence of complicated physical processes and reactions, each minute process being along the lines of say, metal reacting by rusting in the rain. Consciousness is widely known as a phenomenon and we don't know yet why it exists, but it is a direct result of these bunched physical processes. All we are doing is observing the reactions going on within our own mind, and while every emotion we feel is genuine, it is once again the cause of a physical reaction, as is every single thing we and our bodies do. The Universe is just one bit clump of matter, and we're simply tightly grouped matter within that clump.
Son of Dark wrote:but how can you be so blind?
Blind to what? You aren't telling me what I'm blind to.
Son of Dark wrote:Are my thoughts not my own? What I think and feel is me, personal and individual, the given situation and environment shaped things so fate predicts the reaction, but it was me all along, once again resulting in the fact that fate knows OUR choices, once again proving that fate has no purpose whatsoever and therefore has no reason to exist in the first place
You're letting your emotions get in the way of logic. No matter how strongly you feel about your emotions somehow granting you the impossible notion of free will and genuine, entity-like feelings, they don't, but it is about as good a simulator as physically possible.
It literally makes no sense - and not only the way in which it would happen, but the concept you're describing doesn't make physical sense either. Where are you getting all your information from aside from what you 'feel' or 'think' is true? Logic really is the only mastr raec.
I should probably stop creating these lengthy replies, as it seems nothing will get through to you; you're too lost within your own head to see what's right in front of you. At least it's mediocre typing practice.
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Son of Dark wrote:How is time physical?
If you read the Str-
Son of Dark wrote:How is time physical?
If you read spi-
Son of Dark wrote:How is time physical?
In that school subject.
