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Re: Are you ashamed by admitting you like Rayman?

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Adsolution wrote:
OldClassicGamer wrote:@Haruka
What Sonic games you tried and did not like them?
I know you said Sonic 3 once. Did you tried some others too or only that one?
I don't really like Sonic, and I'm also not that fond of Crash either. It's a personal preference, and in this situation, I don't really think such specific questioning is going to get you anywhere. I find the general graphic style of the Sonic games unappealing, and Crash is too flat and cartoony for me.
When I say I dislike Sonic, I'm talking about it in a whole. It isn't because of an x or y game that I played, it is in its whole as a franchise. I happened to play some titles before, but Sonic is definitely not my cup of tea. Like Adsolution, one of the reasons I dislike Sonic is the graphical style that never appealed to me.

Crash's case is a bit different. I honestly only like Crash for its gameplay elements, because if someone asks me straight if I am a fan of Crash Bandicoot, the answer is no. The graphical style isn't terrible or excelent but its universe itself, I am not a major fan. It is all a matter of preferences. For Rayman's case, I always loved the utopical and surrealistic universe that is represented graphically since 1995, it is just full of (healthy) creativity.
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I think I agree with the Crash part, Crash has a great style to it, the cartoony style for PS1 looks great and truly works. But the characters aren't so appealing.

I honestly think far too many people look at the Sonic fanbase and assume Sonic as a whole sucks, I've seen this happen far too much. Sonic 06 was a fucking atrocity as well, and it REALLY damaged the franchise big time, losing a lot of long time fans. However the old Sonic games are great, I'd give those a chance, they're truly what made the genesis a good system, along with Streets of Rage and some other games.
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Rayman definitely has better characters then Crash.
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Deviantart for example has the best example of a horrible fanbase, the Sonic fans there are out of fucking control I swear, this is why I stay away from DA a lot.
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Rayfist wrote:The original Crash games for PS1 are great, not quite sure what you're talking about Ad.
I'm talking about its graphical style being much simpler and more cartoony than that of Rayman for instance; Haruka said it perfectly. To me, graphics are quintessential to the game's presentation, and while I find Crash's somewhat appealing, it's still a bit too cartoony for my taste.
Rayfist wrote:I think far too many people let deviantart do the judging for them to give them the overall picture of the Sonic fanbase.
Not sure what Sonic games you're reffering to also Ad.
I really don't care about fanbases' opinions anymore. Speaking of specific games isn't the matter here, as again, like Haruka said, it's the franchise as a whole that I don't find very appealing. The speed never wowed me (in fact I don't really like it), and the graphical style I personally find almost a bit morbid.
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I understand what you're saying, I'm only saying I think the games are totally worth playing and for a 3D linear game the detail put into Crash 2 truly uses the PS1's 3d capabilities to a full, but of course I MUCH prefer Rayman in every shape and form.

I respect your opinion there on Sonic also. The style you find morbid though? Well you can't please everyone, I don't exactly see how, I think the colorful worlds looked great in Generations and the old games. I do find some Sonic games aren't friendly to the eye though, especially people easily immune to motion sickness, so I can understand that, but levels such as Green hill zone and Chemical plant seem very calming to the eye. I'm talking about the seperate games for a reason, talking about the franchise as a whole would mean I'm reffering to Sonic 06, I don't think we want that.
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Rayfist wrote:The original Crash games for PS1 are great, not quite sure what you're talking about Ad. But I'm fine with that opinion, just questionable to me is all.

I think far too many people let deviantart do the judging for them to give them the overall picture of the Sonic fanbase.
Not sure what Sonic games you're reffering to also Ad.
I agree. The fandom/fan-art definitely tends to turn off a lot of the people who've never tried a Sonic game before. Also, the reputation of the more recent, three-dimensional games seem to do the same thing. I'm personally not much of a fan of Sonic, but I like the 2D games along with Sonic Adventure and Shadow the Hedgehog.
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Exactly, I have nothing wrong with anyones opinion but when people say they find the *ENTIRE* Sonic franchise unappealing I wonder why.
I mean it isn't for everyone, not everyone likes it, and Sonic has had many shitty games, I won't lie, but there are some really good games that are appealing, it's very colorful for a genesis game. This is kind of why I'm not reffering to the series as a WHOLE, as considering the major differences Sonic undergoes, including the bad ones, I don't think there is a point. It's like including Earthworm Jim 3D with the rest of the good franchise.

Just look at the upcoming Sonic Lost Worlds the game looks full of creativity and new things, it's looking very nice.
Even if they don't like it, I wish those people would actually look in a bit more instead of looking at the BAD stuff and realize Sonic has actually had some decent and good moments in gaming.
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Rayfist wrote:Exactly, I have nothing wrong with anyones opinion but when people say they find the *ENTIRE* Sonic franchise unappealing I wonder why.
I mean it isn't for everyone, not everyone likes it, and Sonic has had many shitty games, I won't lie, but there are some really good games that are appealing, it's very colorful for a genesis game.

Just look at the upcoming Sonic Lost Worlds the game looks full of creativity and new things, it's looking very nice.
Even if they don't like it, I wish those people would actually look in a bit more instead of looking at the BAD stuff and realize Sonic has actually had some decent and good moments in gaming.
Basically my entire point. I just wish people would give a lot of different things a try before they judge it entirely. Actually trying something will put you on a whole new level of judgement, because for one you'll actually know what the fuck you're talking about. Also, I wasn't aware of that - I'll have to take a look at that upcoming game sometime later.

Oh, and can someone please take their time to read and maybe even reply to the long-ass paragraph I wrote on the page before this one. I did not murder the infinite amount of time on my hands for no reason. :roll: :lol:
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I used to be a really big Sonic fan up until after say Sonic Adventure 2 when games like Sonic Advance ( :confus: ) popped up and now I'm having a hard time getting on with Colors and Generations despite those actually being good. Maybe it's because I'm not fussed but then I hadn't been fussed with playing any of the Mario Galaxies.
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@Rayfist, About Sonic style, I am not fan of Modern Sonic character design since I think Classic one looked so better but unlike other Sonic fans, I will not rage about it.
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I don't consider myself a fan of Sonic really, but I do enjoy his games from time to time, Sonic Generations was a great game.
I think Sonic is just far too harshly judged at times, I can understand if you don't like it, that's fine, but when someone goes out of the way to tell me how 'bland' the series is, I feel the need to say something because Sonic has had good moments as I said before.
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Cairnie wrote:I used to be a really big Sonic fan up until after say Sonic Adventure 2 when games like Sonic Advance ( :confus: ) popped up and now I'm having a hard time getting on with Colors and Generations despite those actually being good. Maybe it's because I'm not fussed but then I hadn't been fussed with playing any of the Mario Galaxies.
I can relate to that on so many levels (no pun intended).
Rayfist wrote:I don't consider myself a fan of Sonic really, but I do enjoy his games from time to time, Sonic Generations was a great game.
I think Sonic is just far too harshly judged at times, I can understand if you don't like it, that's fine, but when someone goes out of the way to tell me how 'bland' the series is, I feel the need to say something because Sonic has had good moments as I said before.
I wouldn't consider myself a Sonic fan either, but the Sonic series still had it's ups and I like Sonic. I still haven't had the chance to try out Generations yet, though, because it's still too expensive for me. I - and the rest o' my family - am basically broke all the fucking time and I usually buy games and other crap when they're between five to twenty dollars.
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Rayfist wrote:I don't consider myself a fan of Sonic really, but I do enjoy his games from time to time, Sonic Generations was a great game.
I think Sonic is just far too harshly judged at times, I can understand if you don't like it, that's fine, but when someone goes out of the way to tell me how 'bland' the series is, I feel the need to say something because Sonic has had good moments as I said before.
He sure does. SA and SA2 have best story. Sonic CD is best Sonic game ever in my opinion in terms of Soundtrack and Gameplay, Colors and Generations got series back on track and Sonic Lost World is most likely gonna be good too.
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I personally found SA2 to be a far too overrated game. And people seriously calling it the BEST Sonic game -_-

I could never agree more, Sonic CD is an amazing game, and I can guarantee most of the people calling Sonic as a whole 'bland' never played that, while I will admit the game was a bit too loopy at times, it was an amazing Sega CD game that truly maximized the Sega CD's capabilities.
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Take this for instance, a pretty staple shot of Sonic's style:

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There's no blend to the hues, it's all so harsh and contrasted. The main thing that actually bugs me about this shot is the very dark blue sky, in fact, I'd almost compare the colour scheme to something thrown together in MS Paint. Whether that's a valid piece of criticism or not doesn't matter (as clearly a lot of people do like it), that's just what I think of when I see it.
Rayfist wrote:but when people say they find the *ENTIRE* Sonic franchise unappealing I wonder why.
There isn't really much to say. Like Rayman, Sonic has a general style to it that it's retained throughout the years, and I don't like that style. No exceptions. In the case of Lost World, that's the first time I've ever actually been interested in a Sonic game, largely because its graphical style is a lot softer, and the gampleay looks a lot more adventurous and focused.
Dark Lum Lord wrote:Basically my entire point. I just wish people would give a lot of different things a try before they judge it entirely.
It's almost as if you think that the majority of people that don't like something have only been exposed to it through a skewed mindset, which much more often than not isn't actually the reality.

@Long paragraph:
Basically, though the same thing had pretty much been said word-for-word by Serza just beforehand. As for A Clockwork Orange, I'd really recommend giving it a full watch. It's one unique work of art that you've doubtfully seen anything like in the past, and it's something you won't ever forget.
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Adsolution wrote:There's no blend to the hues, it's all so harsh and contrasted. The main thing that actually bugs me about this shot is the very dark blue sky, in fact, I'd almost compare the colour scheme to something thrown together in MS Paint. Whether that's a valid piece of criticism or not doesn't matter (as clearly a lot of people do like it), that's just what I think of when I see it.]
Hm, good point. I guess that's just preference. Though I can't imagine something like that thrown in MS paint and if it were I'd be pretty amazed, check out maybe some of the other games. Not all levels are that bright. Adventurous huh? You may like Sonic Adventure 1 if that's what you're looking for in a Sonic game. But I totally see what you mean, green hill zone does look a bit unappealing to the eye.

I'm glad you have bright thoughts on Lost Worlds, this is exactly what I mean when I tell people Sonic does have good moments, and I wish some people will give it a shot. I'm hoping you manage to pick up Lost Worlds someday, as it looks very good.

Oh also when I was referring to people judging Sonic harshly too much just by looking at the fanbase I wasn't referring to you Ad.
I'm referring to some of my friends who go "bah the whole Sonic series sucks"
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Too bad I will only be able to play 3DS Version and not even anytime soon since I can't purchase new 3DS titles.
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Adsolution wrote:Take this for instance, a pretty staple shot of Sonic's style:

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There's no blend to the hues, it's all so harsh and contrasted. The main thing that actually bugs me about this shot is the very dark blue sky, in fact, I'd almost compare the colour scheme to something thrown together in MS Paint. Whether that's a valid piece of criticism or not doesn't matter (as clearly a lot of people do like it), that's just what I think of when I see it.
I agree. Definitely not the best looking, although I love the look of the leaves on those palm trees - it's also not the best, considering the fact that the leaves look like folded pieces of paper but I like it. What I hate the most would be that very dark blue sky - it's too indescribable to explain why I hate it so much.
Adsolution wrote: It's almost as if you think that the majority of people that don't like something have only been exposed to it through a skewed mindset, which much more often than not isn't actually the reality.
That's not true at all, I just happen to be surrounded by a lot of close-minded people who judge something before actually trying it here.
Adsolution wrote: @Long paragraph:
Basically, though the same thing had pretty much been said word-for-word by Serza just beforehand. As for A Clockwork Orange, I'd really recommend giving it a full watch. It's one unique work of art that you've doubtfully seen anything like in the past, and it's something you won't ever forget.
I'm certainly going to watch the full movie one day because the plot of it interests me a lot. Plus, I've seen a few copies of A Clockwork Orange on DVD in one of the local vintage stores here and I could always buy it, but I prefer to see at least most of a movie instead of just randomly buying a movie on DVD like most people. I might even read the book one day if I ever happen to find it - but that's unlikely because I usually can't concentrate enough to read books.
Rayfist wrote: Hm, good point. I guess that's just preference. Though I can't imagine something like that thrown in MS paint and if it were I'd be pretty amazed, check out maybe some of the other games. Not all levels are that bright. Adventurous huh? You may like Sonic Adventure 1 if that's what you're looking for in a Sonic game. But I totally see what you mean, green hill zone does look a bit unappealing to the eye.

I'm glad you have bright thoughts on Lost Worlds, this is exactly what I mean when I tell people Sonic does have good moments, and I wish some people will give it a shot. I'm hoping you manage to pick up Lost Worlds someday, as it looks very good.

Oh also when I was referring to people judging Sonic harshly too much just by looking at the fanbase I wasn't referring to you Ad.
I'm referring to some of my friends who go "bah the whole Sonic series sucks"
Well, I don't know if someone can make anything that complicated in MS paint, but there's bound to be someone out there who can...All in all, Ad was just making a point and it does kind of look like some high-grade piece of MS paint work. However that's just it - it's only high-grade if you think of it as being made in MS paint. It obviously looks a lot better than plenty of other 2D games though. Rayman 1 is basically the point in which 2D games started to actually look very good, though.

Also, I can relate to those last two sentences. People have judged things in that style before a lot, in my experience. But no, that's not always the case.
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To be fair, I think Sega focuses WAY too hard on Sonic.

Seriously, why can't we get a new Jet Set Radio, or how about NiGHTS?
Sega still has a lot of series that need some love that they barely give them, Sonic has been in the spotlight far too much.
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