Rayman Legends

[Master]

I consider myself lucky that my dad was tech savvy enough to teach me about the potential dubiousness of the internet to ensure I wouldn't fall for such things.

[sergiomonty]

I disagree that R3 has more atmosphere than RL. That's just impossible. The surrealist-yet-legendary settings supported by epic music in Rayman Legends are for a mile more interesting than the dirty swamps and grey forests with generic music from R3. If every level in R3 was more like the fairy council, now that aspect would be debatable.

Did you by any chance skip Razoff's mansion, the Land of the Livid Dead, the tunnels in the Desert of the Knaaren, the Longest Shortcut and the Summit Beyond the Clouds?
Can you name one area in Rayman Legends that is, in your opinion, more atmospheric than the Land of the Livid Dead's starry staircase? Or just outside the Fairy Council? Or the exit tunnel of the Longest Shortcut?

You're saying the exact same thing as Haruka , and I'm gonna respond you the exact same way: NO, I DIDN'T LIKE ANY OF THEM. They all were too grey and sad for my taste . What's so special about Razoff's Mansion, by the way? It's just a wooden house with red walls. A very cliché house for a safari man.

The Land of the Livid Dead doesn't give me any magical feeling either. It's just a rocky landscape, a very depressing rocky landscape. The starry staircase? that one was gorgeous, but why do we keep getting magic and beauty in just a few shots? Why not beauty, colors and surrealism in every corner, LIKE IN LEGENDS?

Also, you find the main themes from the worlds I mentioned generic? In Legends, the music was certainly epic, but it was far more generic than Rayman 3's music. Sure, Rayman 3 had some irritating tracks (urgh, the Muddibog ones), but Rayman Legends has them too: all the percussion-only tracks for one. Ultimately, all the upbeat music starts to get irritating too. Even the musical levels themselves are simply out of place in the Rayman universe.

I disagree with this part entirely. None of the tracks in Legends are generic. They are strong, they are heroic, they have lots of personality. A few of them are very comparable to The Precipice from Rayman 2, (NOSTALGIA APPART). You say all of them are upbeat, then there's Ray and the Beanstalk, with a pretty deep, depressing song,like something terrible happened there. I don't even get why are you defending R3 in this one either. You're basically saying that Rayman Legends's music is epic but generic, and Rayman 3's music is generic but irritating.

I disagree with the part of the music levels too. If you didn't know most of these songs were copyrighted, you wouldn't establish them as "out of Rayman's universe". They all were remixed perfectly to fit the atmosphere where they are. Gloo Gloo is perfect when you don't think about Kill Bill.

Everyone and everything is insane in it

Especially the Bubble Dreamer, right?

Pal... like... this isn't Rayman Origins anymore. This isn't the silly, goofy, childish, perverted game that you saw two years ago. This is Rayman Legends, a game about saving Teensies, defeating massive monsters and exploring gorgeous worlds.

Rayman 3 might be a gorgeous bird that knows how to fly through the sky, but it doesn't come close to touching the stars like Rayman Legends did.











Opinion.

[DandyGuy]

This is only 100% not fake site I know:
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Still, I am not downloading trainer since I am not cheater.

I already tried to download the trainer, It has some wired Chinese thumbnail (And writing) and when i try to install it it said something about having trouble accessing my .temp? (or something like that.) (I've also started to have some wired glitches happen in 3ds max.) I can say its 100% fake.

[Bionichute]

Speaking of music, when are the Legends tracks going to be up on Raytunes? I've been waiting to put them on my IPhone for awhile now.

Also, on R3's music, there's a lot of tracks I like in that game. The snowboarding track, Master Kaag, Reflux, Madder, the credits theme, the Funky Board music, I liked a lot of the music in the game.

[sergiomonty]

This is only 100% not fake site I know:
http://www.gamecopyworld.com/games/pc_r ... ends.shtml

Still, I am not downloading trainer since I am not cheater.

I'm still watching you... you suspicious possible pirate.

[Zikken]

Hey any of you know how to link your Uplay account with the 360 Gamertag, because I keep getting " Missing information" when I go on the Uplay option in RL.

[Disionity]

I disagree that R3 has more atmosphere than RL. That's just impossible. The surrealist-yet-legendary settings supported by epic music in Rayman Legends are for a mile more interesting than the dirty swamps and grey forests with generic music from R3. If every level in R3 was more like the fairy council, now that aspect would be debatable.

Did you by any chance skip Razoff's mansion, the Land of the Livid Dead, the tunnels in the Desert of the Knaaren, the Longest Shortcut and the Summit Beyond the Clouds?
Can you name one area in Rayman Legends that is, in your opinion, more atmospheric than the Land of the Livid Dead's starry staircase? Or just outside the Fairy Council? Or the exit tunnel of the Longest Shortcut?

You're saying the exact same thing as Haruka , and I'm gonna respond you the exact same way: NO, I DIDN'T LIKE ANY OF THEM. They all were too grey and sad for my taste . What's so special about Razoff's Mansion, by the way? It's just a wooden house with red walls. A very cliché house for a safari man.

The Land of the Livid Dead doesn't give me any magical feeling either. It's just a rocky landscape, a very depressing rocky landscape. The starry staircase? that one was gorgeous, but why do we keep getting magic and beauty in just a few shots? Why not beauty, colors and surrealism in every corner, LIKE IN LEGENDS?

Also, you find the main themes from the worlds I mentioned generic? In Legends, the music was certainly epic, but it was far more generic than Rayman 3's music. Sure, Rayman 3 had some irritating tracks (urgh, the Muddibog ones), but Rayman Legends has them too: all the percussion-only tracks for one. Ultimately, all the upbeat music starts to get irritating too. Even the musical levels themselves are simply out of place in the Rayman universe.

I disagree with this part entirely. None of the tracks in Legends are generic. They are strong, they are heroic, they have lots of personality. A few of them are very comparable to The Precipice from Rayman 2, (NOSTALGIA APPART). You say all of them are upbeat, then there's Ray and the Beanstalk, with a pretty deep, depressing song,like something terrible happened there. I don't even get why are you defending R3 in this one either. You're basically saying that Rayman Legends's music is epic but generic, and Rayman 3's music is generic but irritating.

I disagree with the part of the music levels too. If you didn't know most of these songs were copyrighted, you wouldn't establish them as "out of Rayman's universe". They all were remixed perfectly to fit the atmosphere where they are. Gloo Gloo is perfect when you don't think about Kill Bill.

Everyone and everything is insane in it

Especially the Bubble Dreamer, right?

Pal... like... this isn't Rayman Origins anymore. This isn't the silly, goofy, childish, perverted game that you saw two years ago. This is Rayman Legends, a game about saving Teensies, defeating massive monsters and exploring gorgeous worlds.

Rayman 3 might be a gorgeous bird that knows how to fly through the sky, but it doesn't come close to touching the stars like Rayman Legends did.











Opinion.

Frankly, I have to agree with Haruka and Drolpiraat. While Rayman 3 was mostly lacking in magical environments and music, there were a few moments where the game truly shined, like The Land Of The Livid Dead, Dessert Of the Knarren, and The Fairy Council. While The soundtrack for Rayman Legends is great for the most part, occasionally the music does not resonate with the environments and vice versa. While, you may state the environments are colorful and beautiful, reminiscent of Rayman Origins, they look too organic and lack the surrealist and magical qualities that make you truly feel immersed in another world, The Glade Of Dreams. Rayman Legends most certainly has a fantastic soundtrack without a doubt, and some of the music sounds quite deep and epic, but other tracks are too "zany" hampered with poor atmosphere and environments ruins any immersion to be found in the game. I will admit though, RL does seem to have the best characterization of Polokus/Bubble Dreamer to date, it was quite nice seeing him acting so gingerly and like a wise, yet loveable father to his creations. Also, In response to one of your earlier posts stating that Rayman 2's levels were not memorable, I find quite humorous that after having finished the first three worlds in Rayman Legends, I cannot remember much of what happened in levels nor what their names were, but I can recite all of the level names in Rayman 1 and 2 and details about their objectives and designs by heart. With no nostalgia involved, I still confidently believe that the original two entries and possibly the third are vastly superior to Rayman Legends.

[Adsolution]

As well, I agree with Haruka, Drolpiraat and Disonity.

There were only two tracks in Legends that immersed me nearly as much as a regular track from Rayman 1, 2 or Rayman Arena would, and those were Toad Story and 20,000 Lums Under the Sea. Besides, while Legends does definitely do a better job at providing us with a fantastical environment than Origins did, it's just downright ever so inconsistent, which once again, kills the immersion for me. The things is, there's always something fantastic going on at every moment, whether it's the music, the artwork or the gameplay. Unfortunately, rarely are more than one of those things fantastic at once, the rest just chug along; rarely do any aspects of the otherwise great art at any point seem cohesive.

While I felt the USGamer review was far too harsh in its 2.5/5 rating for the game, all of the criticisms it gave were perfectly valid. There's no time to get sucked into the environment, because as soon as they introduce a great concept, it's either gone immediately, or one other aspect of the game is preventing it from being as unlimitedly awesome as it could be. Aside from the two musical moments I'd listed above (in which the feeling only lasted for no more than fifteen seconds each), I'm constantly asphyxiated the game's inability to sit the fuck still and let us 'feel' something while we're playing.

While the game is so ridiculously over-varied, the artistic flaws ironically make it feel like it lacks so much variety at the same time.

[sergiomonty]

Well, I disagree with you all. I didn't grow up with the franchise, so maybe that makes me be a little more harsh with previous entries. I'm still not bashing the games. As I said before, I love all of them. But from a concrete standpoint... I think most of the previous entries, except for Rayman 1, are terribly overglorified here. Like... the top of the mountain that newer games could never reach because of nostalgia. Here's my top:

1. Rayman 1
2. Rayman 2 ( Even if I said a lot of the levels aren't memorable, for it's era it was pretty revolutionary, and had some awesome platforming and likeable characters... and no, those characters were not deep, just very likeable. Also, it was one of the few franchises to go 3d and do pretty awesomely)
3. Rayman Legends
4. Rayman 3 (Great game, but Michel's absence is pretty noticeable)
5. Rayman Origins (I've said before that I love this one, but hey... replay value and consistence are important)

[Rayfist]

What fucking progress I've made on my second day!
I now have 466/700 teensies, I 100%ed all of the Legends levels, even the 8 bit levels. All I have now left is the Back To Origins levels. Which I MAY finish tomorrow or the day after.

[TheTempurmental]

As well, I agree with Haruka, Drolpiraat and Disonity.

There were only two tracks in Legends that immersed me nearly as much as a regular track from Rayman 1, 2 or Rayman Arena would, and those were Toad Story and 20,000 Lums Under the Sea. Besides, while Legends does definitely do a better job at providing us with a fantastical environment than Origins did, it's just downright ever so inconsistent, which once again, kills the immersion for me. The things is, there's always something fantastic going on at every moment, whether it's the music, the artwork or the gameplay. Unfortunately, rarely are more than one of those things fantastic at once, the rest just chug along; rarely do any aspects of the otherwise great art at any point seem cohesive.

While I felt the USGamer review was far too harsh in its 2.5/5 rating for the game, all of the criticisms it gave were perfectly valid. There's no time to get sucked into the environment, because as soon as they introduce a great concept, it's either gone immediately, or one other aspect of the game is preventing it from being as unlimitedly awesome as it could be. Aside from the two musical moments I'd listed above (in which the feeling only lasted for no more than fifteen seconds each), I'm constantly asphyxiated the game's inability to sit the fuck still and let us 'feel' something while we're playing.

While the game is so ridiculously over-varied, the artistic flaws ironically make it feel like it lacks so much variety at the same time.

Well I guess I have to stick out here and say I am actually COMPLETELY immersed in RL!
...
I'm serious! This game has made me feel like a child again! Somehow, I feel a complete incentive to free the Teensies, like I sympathize for them or something. I also get all shocked and mad at myself when I'm playing an Invaded level too slowly and I see a Teensie's rocket go off, like I've literally just let an innocent die cuz I wasn't fast enough! On top of that, I've also been trying to sneak up on enemies or find a cooler way to kill them! Now, I've played the 3D Rayman games, with the stories and the pretty worlds and stuff, but I've NEVER gotten this kind of mental feedback before!

... Am I ok?!

[Bionichute]

I have a few problems with the game as well. For one thing, all the interesting gimmicks for the Murfy stages are used exactly once and never seen again (At least in the single player). Using a slingshot to shoot down things, making platforms out of guacamole, eating cake, and moving the shield to block projectiles could have all been fleshed out, but instead all of them are used in one level, two levels if you're lucky.

There were also some interesting non-Murfy bits that weren't fleshed out either, like the Flying Punches eating through cake, being turned into a duck, and even the Dark Creatures. They could've made so much with some of those concepts alone, but they didn't. Maybe they'll release some DLC that adds some levels to the the worlds.

Still probably one of my favorite Rayman games tho

[Disionity]

I didn't actually "grow up" on the franchise either, despite the way my opinion sounds. I only discovered the franchise back in 2010 by coming across a copy of the PC version of Rayman 1 when I was 11 years old. And while some opinions may be driven by the slightest hint of nostalgia, the first two entries are well deserving of the praise.

1. Rayman 2

What can I possibly stated about this game the millions of others have not already said. The game is simply fantastic. While many aspects like controls, visuals, and some gameplay mechanics have not aged with utter grace or aren't as revolutionary as they originally were, the environments, soundtrack and characters fully compensate. The characters are anything but deep, but their likability makes them so enduring.

2. Rayman 1

Essentially, the essence that Rayman Origins and 'Legends were trying to grasp, but fail at nearly every single opportunity to do so. While the game is quite stylized, (which actually hurts it in some ways) there was an excellent balance between focus on atmosphere and gameplay, that was further exercised in its sequel.

3. Rayman 3

While in a lot of ways,'tis the weakest title in the franchise, but in other moments it holds its own to its predecessors. Sadly, these moments are too far and too few.

4. Rayman Origins

Overall the weakest title in the franchise, while the game was still fun to play and had a fair amount of replay value, with its lack of atmosphere and confusing story it outstays its welcome quite quickly. It simply cannot compare with the previous titles.

[sergiomonty]

While the game is so ridiculously over-varied, the artistic flaws ironically make it feel like it lacks so much variety at the same time.

Sorry, you lost me there.

I didn't actually "grow up" on the franchise either, despite the way my opinion sounds. I only discovered the franchise back in 2010 by coming across a copy of the PC version of Rayman 1 when I was 11 years old. And while some opinions may be driven by the slightest hint of nostalgia, the first two entries are well deserving of the praise.

Don't worry, Disionity! In fact, I think your arguments were the most solid around here, and basically for the reasons that you gave me is that Rayman 1 and 2 remain as part of my top 3 Rayman games. And no, there's no nostalgia involved. Maybe I sound like I hate them, but they truly are some of the best games games of the franchise. Not because of their story, not because of the plot twists or the drama, not even because of their villains: It's because they're fun and their presentation to a new world is amazing.

Maybe I never said this... but Rayman 2's soundtrack is EXCELLENT. Rayman Legends barely scratches it's belly in terms of soundtrack, and that's why it still remains number 2 in my top 5.

And just to make it clear. There's a minor thing that made me definitely prefer Rayman Legends over Rayman 3...

MURFY

It's no surprise to anyone: I hate Rayman 3's "Murphy" (The worst typo on the entire franchise). Everyone here knows my reasons: He's too hostile, he turns the Glade of Dreams into a sitcom, his voice actor doesn't fit his character, his fourth wall jokes broke the fantasy elements, too sarcastic blahblahblah you all know that. I think the Murfy in Rayman Legends is... you know, incredibly adorable. He's this little guy who is scaredy but determined to help his friends, he's friendly and playful and makes cute noises, and his relationship with the Bubble Dreamer is just perfect.

[Disionity]

While the game is so ridiculously over-varied, the artistic flaws ironically make it feel like it lacks so much variety at the same time.

Sorry, you lost me there.

I didn't actually "grow up" on the franchise either, despite the way my opinion sounds. I only discovered the franchise back in 2010 by coming across a copy of the PC version of Rayman 1 when I was 11 years old. And while some opinions may be driven by the slightest hint of nostalgia, the first two entries are well deserving of the praise.

Don't worry, Disionity! In fact, I think your arguments were the most solid around here, and basically for the reasons that you gave me is that Rayman 1 and 2 remain as part of my top 3 Rayman games. And no, there's no nostalgia involved. Maybe I sound like I hate them, but they truly are some of the best games games of the franchise. Not because of their story, not because of the plot twists or the drama, not even because of their villains: It's because they're fun and their presentation to a new world is amazing.

Maybe I never said this... but Rayman 2's soundtrack is EXCELLENT. Rayman Legends barely scratches it's belly in terms of soundtrack, and that's why it still remains number 2 in my top 5.

And just to make it clear. There's a minor thing that made me definitely prefer Rayman Legends over Rayman 3...

MURFY

It's no surprise to anyone: I hate Rayman 3's "Murphy" (The worst typo on the entire franchise). Everyone here knows my reasons: He's too hostile, he turns the Glade of Dreams into a sitcom, his voice actor doesn't fit his character, his fourth wall jokes broke the fantasy elements, too sarcastic blahblahblah you all know it. I think the Murfy in Rayman Legends is... you know, incredibly adorable. He's this little guy who is scaredy but determined to help his friends, he's friendly and playful and makes cute noises, and his relationship with the Bubble Dreamer is just perfect.

While Murfy's portrayal in Rayman 3 was far too hostile, I do believe Murfy should have a slight sarcastic edge to him.

I could go into detail about how I think all the Rayman characters should and should not behave, but goodness knows how long that would take.

[Rayfist]

I talked with Adsolution a bit on facebook. And well... I'm now starting to find myself agreeing with him a bit... I think I was brainwashed a bit. I do like RL, but I'm starting to have doubts of it being better than R3.

[sergiomonty]

Well. RL's Murfy is not the type of character that you would describe as "a total dumbfuck who doesn't know to do other thing than being cartoonish and wacky and stupid"... because he isn't. He is a small guy trying to be helpful, and that's why you should totally care about him. Actually, if something bad happened to Murfy plot-wise in Rayman Legends (which isn't the case) I would have cared a lot, because they truly developed two great characters for the franchise (him and Polokus).

Oh, and for those saying that nothing memorable happens in Legends... I think many of us might have a bad time trying really hard to forget that Murfy had to eat a mountain of cake to help Ray-duck survive.

I talked with Adsolution a bit on facebook. And well... I'm now starting to find myself agreeing with him a bit... I think I was brainwashed a bit. I do like RL, but I'm starting to have doubts of it being better than R3.

You traitor.

I guess I'll be again the only dude who says "this one deserves an opportunity to be in the top 3".

[Keane]

I talked with Adsolution a bit on facebook. And well... I'm now starting to find myself agreeing with him a bit... I think I was brainwashed a bit. I do like RL, but I'm starting to have doubts of it being better than R3.

Do share your reasons.

[sergiomonty]

I talked with Adsolution a bit on facebook. And well... I'm now starting to find myself agreeing with him a bit... I think I was brainwashed a bit. I do like RL, but I'm starting to have doubts of it being better than R3.

Do share your reasons.

Yeah, share them! I need to be brainwashed by Ad too.

[Keane]

I talked with Adsolution a bit on facebook. And well... I'm now starting to find myself agreeing with him a bit... I think I was brainwashed a bit. I do like RL, but I'm starting to have doubts of it being better than R3.

Do share your reasons.

Yeah, share them! I need to be brainwashed by Ad too.

Oh you.

I'm interested. I do have my doubts about the game but I can't always decide whether my criticism on something is well deserved or just my nature of nitpicking every bad aspect of something.