Rayman Legends

[Adsolution]

Just for you Sergio:
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I honestly don't mind this as much as some. The only problem with this one interpretation in particular is that one of Ly's primary traits is that she's very tall and slender, which she isn't here. Other than that I think it's well done to fit into the Origins style.

[Keane]

Well, atleast we know how bad things could've been if Ly reappeared...

I'd rather they completely abandon Rayman 2's characters then "Originify" anymore. The last thing I want is for them to start thinking taking old characters and just turning them into new ones would be a nice and easy way to not have to design new figures. Hell, Betilla's inclusion is almost near pointless considering how she plays a minor role, is redesigned and does not act the same.

[Master]

True, very true indeed. It seems the only characters of that era to have survived are Globox, the Teensies, Murfy and Polokus.

[Keane]

True, very true indeed. It seems the only characters of that era to have survived are Globox, the Teensies, Murfy and Polokus.

Am I the only one who sees Polokus and the Bubble Dreamer as different characters? I just can't imagine them as both the same. Unless his personality is different in Legends? He had a reason for being humorous in Origins. Is that the same in Legends?

Outside my opinion on bringing back old names, I think the new Rayman would be better off with new characters anyway. Barbara turned out a pleasant surprise and not another Tily.

[Master]

He seems a lot more grounded and wise in Legends, more akin to Polokus' self.

[Rayfist]

I'm terrified to see how Ly would look in an Origins style.

One word: Boobs.

:COMMENCING RULE34:

[sonicbrawler182]

Well, atleast we know how bad things could've been if Ly reappeared...

I'd rather they completely abandon Rayman 2's characters then "Originify" anymore. The last thing I want is for them to start thinking taking old characters and just turning them into new ones would be a nice and easy way to not have to design new figures. Hell, Betilla's inclusion is almost near pointless considering how she plays a minor role, is redesigned and does not act the same.

Betilla's inclusion is more a leftover of how she was originally going to play a bigger role when Origins was a prequel. I suppose the idea of sexy nymphs came somewhere along the line and she was chosen to be included as one so her redesign wouldn't go to waste. Or maybe the other nymphs were also planned in the prequel stages.

I personally don't mind them redesigning old characters, though. In Betilla's case, I much prefer her new design. The old one looked too gender ambiguous to me (which would be fine if they intentionally made her so, but she was always cast as a woman, so it just annoyed me a little). Though I favour the art style of the UbiArt games anyway, so that may influence my opinion.

And call me immature, but I like how the humanoid females are currently portrayed in a bodacious way in the current Rayman games (and I know I'm backpeddling in the discussion here). Not because I demand sex appeal in Rayman (I most assuredly don't, even though it doesn't bother me that it's there), but because while they are sexualised, they do so in a charming way. I like how the nymphs do that cute little hip wiggle, or how Barbara's helmet slips down over her eyes after a charge attack, or how some of the princesses show their panties when bubblized (which I honestly consider to be the designers taking a shot at how sexy female characters often wear totally impractical clothing).

Besides, it's not like sexuality was never touched on before in Rayman games and marketing. We are constantly reminded of Globox's sex life in Rayman 2 through the mere existence of his wife and kids, Globox's sex drive gets him captured (or at least separated from Rayman, I can't remember which) in Rayman 3, I probably don't need to explain Murfy's dialogue in Rayman 3, and there has been an official animation of Rayman singing "Sex-Bomb". I don't get why people think some sexuality in the UbiArt Rayman games is tainting them, when it's ALWAYS been there.

Also, I've always thought Ly was more or less naked so that Origins style redesign is doing the opposite of sexualising to me, in a way.

[Rayfist]

I probably don't need to explain Murfy's dialogue in Rayman 3, and there has been an official animation of Rayman singing "Sex-Bomb".

I actually thought that was fan made.

[sergiomonty]

Just for you Sergio:
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I honestly don't mind this as much as some. The only problem with this one interpretation in particular is that one of Ly's primary traits is that she's very tall and slender, which she isn't here. Other than that I think it's well done to fit into the Origins style.

Exactly... her contexture is the problem. She's thin and tall... here she's just as chubby as the nymphs. I might have bad memory... does Ly float like that?

[Keane]

Besides, it's not like sexuality was never touched on before in Rayman games and marketing. We are constantly reminded of Globox's sex life in Rayman 2 through the mere existence of his wife and kids

That's like saying you are reminded of sex when you see people walk down the streets with their kids. I don't know how anyone could see the Globox family as anything related to such a subject. They are there to make up part of Rayman's world and put in the concept of kids dealing with the pirate take over.

There's quite a bit of difference between in having a very subtle reference to the topic of sex that young kids won't notice and going ahead and putting sexily dressed females in your game. The joke made about Globox being attracted to the fake female is something that exists almost as long as characters like him. Shows as old as Spy VS. Spy contain the "Guy sees good looking girl" joke. They just needed a way to get Globox separated from you. Having him drink plum juice in the headquarters would be stupid, so that's an easy replacement. The REAL reference to it is Begoniax saying the dirty things she wants to do to Razzof. You could easily interpret is as her just being silly, and seeing as it lacks on your list I'm guessing you haven't thought of it in a sexual way before. Again it's done subtle and in a way that young kids won't get it. Rayman 3's age rating wasn't higher because of it.

The sex bomb video was not meant to make you think "This means Rayman likes sex". They were clearly trying to make it funny meaning that Rayman is singing a popular song. Nothing new either. How many popular songs have the Muppets sang? Besides its like 45 seconds and sung with silly voices.

Sexual content was most certainly not part of Rayman until Origins.

[Master]

Just for you Sergio:
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I honestly don't mind this as much as some. The only problem with this one interpretation in particular is that one of Ly's primary traits is that she's very tall and slender, which she isn't here. Other than that I think it's well done to fit into the Origins style.

Exactly... her contexture is the problem. She's thin and tall... here she's just as chubby as the nymphs. I might have bad memory... does Ly float like that?

Nah, she tended to be in a meditative posture when floating.

[sonicbrawler182]

I'm sorry, but when a guy has 600 odd kids, and a wife too, it's not hard to see why someone might think sex happened somewhere. I wouldn't of made such a connection if only one was referenced/shown in-game, but both are.

The female Glute in that picture was wearing a bikini, that's no more or less than what the nymphs wore.

I actually did interpret Begoniax's speech as sexual, I just forgot about it in my post (though that helps prove my point - there's so much sexual innuendo and referencing before Origins that I don't remember all of it!).

There's also that woman on the intercom in André's Lair.

The sex bomb video easily makes me interpret a pronounced sexuality in Rayman (though I consider it non-canon anyway. Still, my point was that they used something sexual to market the game).

If all of the things both you and I mentioned are OK for kids, why wouldn't bodacious nymphs (keeping in mind the fact that young kids would be too young to interpret arousement or discomfort from their appearance, meaning the nymph's appearance could be considered subtle adult humour as much as Begoniax's)?

I think it isn't fair to say a character can't look sexy just because the game is generally suitable for kids. If a kid went to a beach during the summer, they'd surely see more than a few women in sexy swimsuits.

And I think the very notion of being bothered by sexuality in a Rayman game is silly when you remember the fact that Michel Ancel compared Rayman Legends to a porno! :I

EDIT: Also, I hope you guys don't misinterpret me. I'm merely saying that I think sexualisation in a Rayman game is no big deal, especially regarding character designs, because it's always been there in some shape or form. I don't want to come across as the perverted type with this discussion.

[Bradandez]

Sonicbrawler182 does bring some valid points into this discussion. Something like the nymphs shouldn't be so bothersome.

[Master]

Don't worry, you're fine as is, and you make some good points, I admit. I guess it's a matter of taste, at the end of the day.
However, I will admit, that I wouldn't like to see Ly like that, it just doesn't fit her, as for your perception of her looks in Rayman 2, I've always seen it as a weird dress of sorts, I believe an image in the RRR GBA game makes it look like so.

[Bionichute]

According to old Rayman 2 info, Ly wears a bodysuit that's similar to "The People of Pryhs", who have never actually been mentioned or seen in any Rayman games.

I could see them releasing DLC for a Ly costume based around the Barbara model. Ly using a weapon would be odd, but limitations, y'know?

[Dart]

And I think the very notion of being bothered by sexuality in a Rayman game is silly when you remember the fact that Michel Ancel compared Rayman Legends to a porno! :I.

waaaaiiiiittt..... what?

Just for you Sergio:
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MY EYES!!!!!!! not what Ly should look like at all (barfs)

[Bradandez]

Just for you Sergio:
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MY EYES!!!!!!! not what Ly should look like at all (barfs)

Quite a heavy reaction you got there.

[sergiomonty]

If they draw a more sexy Ly at some point, I don't think she would look particularly hot like that. There's something about the original one that makes her look... kind of interesting, but she could look a lot more beautiful. And the answer is not big tits or a fat butt. I just can't put my finger on what it is...

It's curious to say, though, that during my first playthrough I totally thought Ly was naked the whole time, and that the spirals in her body covered her nudity.

[SilentSanctuary]

My opinion is that it's her face that could look more beautiful. Especially the eyes and the mouth... they should be smaller. I don't personally like her freckles either.

[Keane]

I'm not against the sexualised nymphs, I'm simply saying that Rayman has not before had any kind of content like Origins did.

As for Ly, I know what you mean Sergio. The reason why those features wouldn't work is because large body parts =/= beautiful person for everyone.

I'm sorry, but when a guy has 600 odd kids, and a wife too, it's not hard to see why someone might think sex happened somewhere. I wouldn't of made such a connection if only one was referenced/shown in-game, but both are.

That's how you can interpret it, but it was not the intention of the developer's to relate it to sex.

The female Glute in that picture was wearing a bikini, that's no more or less than what the nymphs wore.

But I'm pretty sure most people didn't log in to Rule 34 for that. :/

The sex bomb video easily makes me interpret a pronounced sexuality in Rayman (though I consider it non-canon anyway. Still, my point was that they used something sexual to market the game).

If anyone who watched that decided to go out and buy Rayman 3 expecting sex then their fucking stupid.