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[Dart]

self-esteem usually only comes in fits of pride, which i'd have if i was near a gaming convention :/

[Dark Lum Lord]

self-esteem usually only comes in fits of pride, which i'd have if i was near a gaming convention :/

I've had some fits of pride myself. Not many, however.

[neo]

I'm getting more pride as I lose dat weight. Yeayuz

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3E86_8c534

[Dark Lum Lord]

My self-esteem will remain at an all time low as long as I'm hideous and ignored, forced off to the the edge of the sidelines as the outcast among outcasts themselves.

[Adsolution]

Forgot to comment on this earlier. Another reason why I feel awkward has to do with the fact that I have very little self-esteem. Standing up straight makes me feel pretentious for some reason, which is awkward for me since I've built up a tolerance to slouching, looking down, and feeling inferior.

Just for note, to onlookers, such angst and cynicism can also come across as pretentious. I'm sure you're aware of this, but it's how you exhibit an act, not the act itself that determines how others see you.

Edit:

Your above post is exactly what I'm referring to. The fact that you think people devote so much of their thinking prowess toward hating you for no reason in particular is really quite pretentious. It's the exact same as thinking that everybody spends their time thinking about how much they love you, but the former is simply more closely associated with the notion of sorrow and pity, even though it's just as arrogant and non-humble as the latter.

[neo]

It's kind of like the ladder of influence. You think someone may be thinking something nasty about you, and you make up all these scenarios that must be true, when what's really happening is some DISASTER at home which is making them grouchy.

Worst case scenario is you are right but you don't really know.

[Dark Lum Lord]

Forgot to comment on this earlier. Another reason why I feel awkward has to do with the fact that I have very little self-esteem. Standing up straight makes me feel pretentious for some reason, which is awkward for me since I've built up a tolerance to slouching, looking down, and feeling inferior.

Just for note, to onlookers, such angst and cynicism can also come across as pretentious. I'm sure you're aware of this, but it's how you exhibit an act, not the act itself that determines how others see you.

Edit:

Your above post is exactly what I'm referring to. The fact that you think people devote so much of their thoughts toward hating you for no reason in particular is really quite pretentious. It's the exact same as thinking that everybody spends their time thinking about how much they love you, but the former is simply more associated with the notion of sorrow and pity, even though it's just as arrogant and non-humble as the latter.

I am aware of that. But I've only recently - only mostly - recovered from depression and I still have social anxiety, only to a lesser degree. With social anxiety you feel as if everyone's watching you and judging you even though few really are. It's involuntary self-absorbment - pretentiousness. It's just one of my faults and we all have our own problems as we're all human.

It's kind of like the ladder of influence. You think someone may be thinking something nasty about you, and you make up all these scenarios that must be true, when what's really happening is some DISASTER at home which is making them grouchy.

Worst case scenario is you are right but you don't really know.

Hmm, I think I see what you're saying. My relationship with my family was a disaster and I've only in the past couple of months been rebuilding it. I was never good enough for them no matter what I did and I felt that everyone thought of me in such a way eventually, I felt as if everyone was looking at me because I'm feeble, because I'm ugly, because I have no social skills, because I'm aloof and awkward, because I'm weird, and so on. Yes, it is pretentious, but it's my own mind that's attacking me. I had nothing to do with it myself and if I had control over my depression and anxiety I certainly would never have had those troubles in the first place.

[Adsolution]

I am aware of that. But I've only recently - only mostly - recovered from depression and I still have social anxiety, only to a lesser degree. With social anxiety you feel as if everyone's watching you and judging you even though few really are. It's involuntary self-absorbment - pretentiousness. It's just one of my faults and we all have our own problems as we're all human.

I'm well-aware of and very experienced in the symptoms of social anxiety, but does that really excuse you making such a cringe-worthy "woe is me, everybody hates me" post? You must have put at least some thought into it, given how elaborately it was phrased.

I'm sorry for being so harsh, but I'd very much like it if you weren't to do that again. Not because I'm being an asshole, but because it should be able to provide you with at least some kind of angst management on a place like the internet, where you have all the time in the bloody world to collect your thoughts and formulate a rational statement.

It's totally cool for you to discuss your problems and whatnot, but you need to calm down and think before you speak.

[neo]

If you relationship with your parents is a disaster, try to look at yourself and just improve yourself. Better to look forward than just mope at yourself.

Sure you can mope a little bit, but you have to pick yourself up at some point.

If your mom has always been disappointed in you, then prove her wrong! Be as extraordinary as you can be. Even though none of us are extraordinary. But just pretend you are. And you might just be. Who knows.

[Dark Lum Lord]

I am aware of that. But I've only recently - only mostly - recovered from depression and I still have social anxiety, only to a lesser degree. With social anxiety you feel as if everyone's watching you and judging you even though few really are. It's involuntary self-absorbment - pretentiousness. It's just one of my faults and we all have our own problems as we're all human.

I'm well-aware of and very experienced in the symptoms of social anxiety, but does that really excuse you making such a cringe-worthy "woe is me, everybody hates me" post? You must have put at least some thought into it, given how elaborately it was phrased.

I'm sorry for being so harsh, but I'd very much like it if you weren't to do that again. Not because I'm being an asshole, but because it should be able to provide you with at least some kind of angst management on a place like the internet, where you have all the time in the bloody world to collect your thoughts and formulate a rational statement.

It's totally cool for you to discuss your problems and whatnot, but you need to calm down and think before you speak.

Fair enough. I've a lot to say about this in reply, but I'll just leave it at that since you seem bothered a bit and I can't argue with the fact that I have all the time in the world to think before I post any sort of text online. I'm sorry if I seemed excessive.

If you relationship with your parents is a disaster, try to look at yourself and just improve yourself. Better to look forward than just mope at yourself.

Sure you can mope a little bit, but you have to pick yourself up at some point.

If your mom has always been disappointed in you, then prove her wrong! Be as extraordinary as you can be. Even though none of us are extraordinary. But just pretend you are. And you might just be. Who knows.

My relationship with my family has already been improving so I, more or less, am picking myself up. And I wouldn't necessarily say that she's always disappointed in me since she's claimed that she isn't, but she acts as if she is. She always points out the negatives in me and my sister, never once has she highlighted a positive, and so on. In all seriousness, I think I picked up my moping from her, since she used to constantly complain about her own life.

[Adsolution]

It's not that I'm bothered more than someone else with a prominent moral standard might be, it's just that I don't beat around the bush.

I am interested in hearing what you have to say to my above reply though, mostly for the sake of getting a better idea of what you're feeling in a given situation, if that's alright.

[Dark Lum Lord]

I'm interested in hearing what you have to say, mostly for the sake of getting a better idea of what you're feeling in a given situation, if that's alright.

Alright, then I'll go ahead and try to dissect this. It'll be mediocre, but I do it anyways since I'm bored and would like to hear what you have to say yourself.

I'm well-aware of and very experienced in the symptoms of social anxiety, but does that really excuse you making such a cringe-worthy "woe is me, everybody hates me" post? You must have put at least some thought into it, given how elaborately it was phrased.

I more than often do think before I post, but it's not always the case. I'm sure that everyone has had moments in which they haven't thought things out thoroughly and I'm guilty of that myself. I'm quite impulsive in real life and sometimes this carries out online even if I have the time to think before, but usually I use this time to my advantage and do think things out. All in all, I can't say that there is much of an excuse for that kind of post though so I'll have to agree with you.

I'm sorry for being so harsh, but I'd very much like it if you weren't to do that again. Not because I'm being an asshole, but because it should be able to provide you with at least some kind of angst management on a place like the internet, where you have all the time in the bloody world to collect your thoughts and formulate a rational statement.

"I'm sorry for shooting you in the foot multiple times, but I'm not fond of what you've said and I'd rather you refrain from doing so again" - basiclly what you said, but summarized in a smaller package. I'm not trying to be rude when saying that, but by that's not the first time that same logic had been used and it's definitely not quite the greatest logic to go by since it doesn't really solve much and will not always keep someone else from being offended. Look, I even had somewhat done it myself by starting the sentence with "I'm not trying to be rude when saying that...".

Anyways, the sentence after that one fixes the faulty logic of this one, as you made a point and gave a solid reason to back up the sentence. Anyways, as for the second sentence, I agree and I basically killed two birds with one stone in the reply before this one as that one can be used as a reply to the second sentence in this quote as well.

It's totally cool for you to discuss your problems and whatnot, but you need to calm down and think before you speak.

Again, this one has some faulty logic as well, but unlike the last one there's nothing to really support it from crashing. "It's fine for you to speak your opinion, but it also isn't because I perceive you as being over-the-top, therefore you need to calm down even though I don't really know your situation or how you're truly feeling, but I'm going to jump to conclusions with how you're supposedly acting in said posts". The whole "calm down" point is a bit of a cliche - I've heard it before and it's not the strongest of arguments. Telling someone to calm down won't magically cause it to happen nor is the person who's apparently hystericaly truly hysterical. The might be, but they might not. Sure, they might appear to have a certain emotion in a post to you, but that doesn't mean it's true. I viewed you as being a bit cold and harsh, but then you claimed that you weren't intentionally trying to which would be an example.

Over the Internet you can't exactly pin-point how one feels. Now, I'm not saying that I wasn't acting or feeling negative, because it was obvious that I was and I'm not going to deny that, I'm just pointing out that "calm down" is not always the greatest reply even if the person is being over-the-top.

Anyways, that wasn't much of an argument, but it's all I've got at the moment and I'm awaiting what you have to say. I'll go ahead and stop it at that.

All in all, I do agree that I should have calmed down and that I also should have thought more before posting, though. And I'm sorry if that bothered you and I agree that I should tone things down.

[Adsolution]

I more than often do think before I post, but it's not always the case. I'm sure that everyone has had moments in which they haven't thought things out thoroughly and I'm guilty of that myself. I'm quite impulsive in real life and sometimes this carries out online even if I have the time to think before, but usually I use this time to my advantage and do think things out. All in all, I can't say that there is much of an excuse for that kind of post though so I'll have to agree with you.

Aye, and I've been very guilty of this sort of thing in my past years as well. If it's a real problem however (I perceive some of your extremely negative and self-deprecating posts to be, and not just because they may affect you, but they may affect others as well), I feel that they should be pointed out on each and every occurrence so that the user becomes very aware of the problem and is able to control it.

"I'm sorry for shooting you in the foot multiple times, but I'm not fond of what you've said and I'd rather you refrain from doing so again" - basiclly what you said, but summarized in a smaller package. I'm not trying to be rude when saying that, but by that's not the first time that same logic had been used and it's definitely not quite the greatest logic to go by since it doesn't really solve much and will not always keep someone else from being offended. Look, I even had somewhat done it myself by starting the sentence with "I'm not trying to be rude when saying that...".

The logic is perfectly valid though, as the speaker is straight-up indicating their intention by stating that they aren't an asshole, a motive that oftentimes requires definition due to its ease of misperception. There is no lack of clarity if someone were to shoot someone else in the foot however, that's about as literal as you can get. That is why the analogy you made for disproving my logic does not work. Someone will state that they aren't trying to be an asshole if they are afraid the reader may interpret the speaker as being one given their tone, when the speaker can't find a 'nicer' way of wording something. If you don't believe this to be good reasoning, then it's not because it's illogical, it's because you aren't a fan of blunt logic.

Again, this one has some faulty logic as well, but unlike the last one there's nothing to really support it from crashing. "It's fine for you to speak your opinion, but it also isn't because I perceive you as being over-the-top,

Opinions should be logical in order for them to properly assume the role of a grounded opinion, and there's no such thing as over-the-top logic. Logic is entirely black and white.

therefore you need to calm down even though I don't really know your situation or how you're truly feeling, but I'm going to jump to conclusions with how you're supposedly acting in said posts".

Untrue, because:

The whole "calm down" point is a bit of a cliche - I've heard it before and it's not the strongest of arguments. Telling someone to calm down won't magically cause it to happen nor is the person who's apparently hystericaly truly hysterical. The might be, but they might not. Sure, they might appear to have a certain emotion in a post to you, but that doesn't mean it's true. I viewed you as being a bit cold and harsh, but then you claimed that you weren't intentionally trying to which would be an example.

"Calm down" in this context is telling you to be calm and collected. If you were entirely calm and collected, you wouldn't have made that angsty post, unless you have a very unfunny sense of humour in combination with wanting to get some irritating, bottled-up and illogical bullshit off your chest. If that were the case though, it would be great for you to let us know that that's what you're doing. Just because it's a commonly used phrase doesn't mean that it holsters a lower level of validity. It's a versatile phrase; would you have perceived it differently if I'd used a radically different set of words to convey the exact same thing? If so, then according to logic, that's not my problem.

Since it seems that the troubled accusation against me for uttering faulty logic was in itself not entirely based on logic, then there's a good chance that it's partially because you haven't grown enough to make the most of the rational sectors of your mind. That also means that there's a good chance your social anxiety isn't an irrational fear, and that you'll likely grow out of it in a few years as a clearer sense of deductive reasoning develops. As far as your ability goes, you're even great at that now, so I have the utmost faith in you becoming one of the smartest people I know.

[Zikken]

"I'm sorry for shooting you in the foot multiple times, but I'm not fond of what you've said and I'd rather you refrain from doing so again" - basiclly what you said, but summarized in a smaller package. I'm not trying to be rude when saying that, but by that's not the first time that same logic had been used and it's definitely not quite the greatest logic to go by since it doesn't really solve much and will not always keep someone else from being offended. Look, I even had somewhat done it myself by starting the sentence with "I'm not trying to be rude when saying that...".

By that logic if I said that I'm not trying to be an asshole, I would be an asshole anyway? Its just to point out that the person saying this doesn't want to be seen as one and have no intentions in being one.

I think you should calm down a bit with posts like that though, not only does it affect yourself for posting self-loathing posts, but it also affects the mood of others that read it. I also think you should think a bit more optimistically, no need to be extremely pessimist like you're doing, life have its good sides too but you seem to not see them. I bet you that not everyone where you live hates you, that's kind of impossible unless you killed people or did something of the kind. I already went through a self-loathing stage and am a big pessimistic person, but thinking optimistically sometime helps more than you would think.

I viewed you as being a bit cold and harsh, but then you claimed that you weren't intentionally trying to which would be an example.

Don't jump to conclusions like that about someone until you actually have spoke to them. If I did that, I would consider more than half the people here to be complete assholes that don't give a fuck because of the way they act which is untrue.

My self-esteem will remain at an all time low as long as I'm hideous and ignored, forced off to the the edge of the sidelines as the outcast among outcasts themselves.

Don't think that people always think " oh he so ugly, he should die, fucking idiot" etc, because people honestly don't. Having a low self-esteem can be bad but have you ever tried to push yourself forward in what you would like to do in your day? And I'm pretty sure not everyone ignore you.

I felt as if everyone was looking at me because I'm feeble, because I'm ugly, because I have no social skills, because I'm aloof and awkward, because I'm weird, and so on. Yes, it is pretentious, but it's my own mind that's attacking me. I had nothing to do with it myself and if I had control over my depression and anxiety I certainly would never have had those troubles in the first place.

It sounds like you're hating yourself a lot. Being physically weak is nothing wrong at all, being mentally weak isn't either, everyone have weaknesses. Who said you were ugly? You can only be ugly from the inside, the outside of someone isn't that important to be honest, someone could look beautiful but would be a complete jerk and vice-versa. You can learn how to have better social skills by trying to talk to people, might be hard to think about but its easier than you think. Being aloof and awkward isn't a wrong thing. Being "weird" isn't wrong, because you're not the sheep following the shepherd that most people follow and decided to follow a different path in life.

I probably said it a lot, but remember that you're only thirteen and that in just three years a lot of things can change, so imagine how you will be in ten years away from now. An example would be how much I was bullied in the past, but when I was fifteen, a guy I knew since kindergarten stood up for me and said if they didn't stop he was going to make them see the hospital. They never bullied me ever again since the guy was pretty tall and scared most of the students, although two weeks later I dropped out since I had difficulties following the classes and they didn't want to put me with other autistic people because I was "too intelligent" for it.

In short: don't mind what people may say or think about you, they are a minority and are just stupid. Keep your head up and don't let yourself fall down, because one day you might not be able to get up anymore. Think about how there are thousand of people in the world that are like you, you aren't alone in this. Life isn't always bad, there is a lot of things enjoyable, if there wasn't any bad things, there wouldn't be anything good either, just like how if there is no Sun, there wont be shadows because the Sun isn't there to make them appear. If anything bothers you, you can always ask help from a friend, a relative or people you trust. People always judge, no one can do anything about that.

So much of text, and probably half of it makes no sense because I'm really tired and I often express myself badly already.

Bleh, going to bed now, I should have been sleeping since an hour and half ago.

[Adsolution]

I think he already knows most of this deep down, and that much of the anxiety simply thrives off of older, less-sensical thoughts, things that aren't not necessarily what he still believes about himself to this day.

That's just my guess though, I may be completely wrong.

[Master]

In my younger years, when I did have to suffer bullying and the like, I believe I did sometimes go under the impression that I wasn't generally liked, though as I've gotten older and with support, I've learnt to not allow that to not put me down, though I think I've become a little bitter internally at times.

Anyways, just an update on Mighty No 9, 16 hours left, and they've surpassed $3,300,000, meaning that the PS4 and Xbox One are now going to be supported platforms.

[OCG]

I knew it would happen
Speaking of kickstarter, what are your opinions if Rayman game ever gets put on kickstarter? Would fsns donate or would they think that Ubi just wants money?

[Master]

I doubt Ubi would put Rayman on a kickstarter.

[OCG]

Maybe if they have money issues.

[Master]

Meh, given the amount of franchises they have that do work, I doubt that'll be the case for some time to come.