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[sonicbrawler182]

Can't speak for anyone else, but I learn a hell of a lot more about myself while drinking than I do while sober. It doesn't "skip" the learning experience, it initiates it directly. I had similar attitudes when I was your age, which admittedly isn't long ago at all. You may come round.

There's nothing for me to come around to.
I just don't see the appeal in getting myself drunk to be unaware of a problem for a period of time. Doing that does skip the learning process, because just drinking my problems away means I'm not actually doing anything to better myself.

And regarding drinking at parties or with friends, I suppose I'm more comfortable being myself.

[spiraldoor]

I am not going to have a girlfriend until I get a well paid job. A woman wants the man to take the responsibility , and without money this won't fully be, tells my mom.

Because all women are exactly the same.

I also need to focus on uni and studying so I won't have time for a women anyway.

Because nobody ever has a relationship in university.

Sounds like there are other factors at work here that you aren't facing up to.

There's nothing for me to come around to.
I just don't see the appeal in getting myself drunk to be unaware of a problem for a period of time. Doing that does skip the learning process, because just drinking my problems away means I'm not actually doing anything to better myself.

Who ever said anything about making yourself unaware of a problem? You seem to be having a distinctly different conversation.

And regarding drinking at parties or with friends, I suppose I'm more comfortable being myself.

Setting aside your very questionable definition of "yourself", that's to be expected, considering that you have no frame of reference.

[sonicbrawler182]

Well, that's what people generally do. Drink depression away. They tell you it helps, and it doesn't. I don't need to try it to know, I just need to watch others who do it, and look at how miserable they end up.

Besides, whenever I did taste alcoholic drinks,they tasted bad. ECH.

[Adsolution]

Well, that's what people generally do. Drink depression away.

I didn't know people did that as a general thing.

[sonicbrawler182]

Welp, the world's full of surprises.

[Adsolution]

I was implying that people don't do that as a general thing.

You're referring to a specific group of people who don't know how to deal with their emotions and are also alcoholics, which, according to the NIH, equates to roughly 3% of the population. Since over 70% of people drink, that's still a relatively small percentage. It is an American statistic, but I can't imagine it being extraordinarily different for other first-world countries so as to make it a 'general' thing. The vast majority of people are actually responsible with their drinking.

Besides:


Using alcohol as a way to cheer yourself up in the midst of a problem ≠ avoiding the problem

Using alcohol as a way to fix the problem = avoiding the problem

[Zikken]

I am not going to have a girlfriend until I get a well paid job. A woman wants the man to take the responsibility , and without money this won't fully be, tells my mom.

Because all women are exactly the same.

I can't tell if you're being serious or not. Also Omar that's really stupid and incorrect from my point of view.

[sonicbrawler182]

@Adsolution: I know, I was being sarcastic.

Honestly, I'm just kind of sick of people trying to tell me that "aww yeah alcohol is gr8 u shud totes try it, makes u better".
Nobody I have ever met has been better for drinking alcohol, so clearly one does not need it to be better or to have fun.

[Zikken]

Nobody I have ever met has been better for drinking alcohol, so clearly one does not need it to be better or to have fun.

My best friend accidentally drank alcohol because she thought it was her grape juice and it apparently tasted like that,she became super hilarious in chats for 2 hours making a bunch of typos and doing weird jokes. But no you're right its not a need, but some people like it while others doesn't. It all depends on the person's choice.

[Adsolution]

Nobody I have ever met has been better for drinking alcohol, so clearly one does not need it to be better or to have fun.

Well, no one needs anything to be a better person or to have fun, it's simply something people enjoy doing, akin to playing video games, like said a while back. What can set it apart is the notion of it being a mind-altering substance, but every activity has its side-effects. It's not worth it to disprove the credibility of or bring to light the exploitable flaws of Miscellaneous Enjoyable Activity #138.

[sonicbrawler182]

Yeah, but there is such a thing as the degree of the side effect. Alcohol does have much more substantial side effects than say, video games.

[spiraldoor]

Well, that's what people generally do. Drink depression away. They tell you it helps, and it doesn't. I don't need to try it to know, I just need to watch others who do it, and look at how miserable they end up.

I'm a really happy person, and so are all of my drinking friends. That's your problem right there.

Besides, whenever I did taste alcoholic drinks,they tasted bad. ECH.

Some taste good from the beginning, some take some getting used to, and some never taste good at all. You know, like food. Or anything else in the world. I take it you haven't tried many kinds?

Because all women are exactly the same.

I can't tell if you're being serious or not.

...really?

Nobody I have ever met has been better for drinking alcohol,

Hello. Pleased to make your acquaintance.

If you seriously don't think you've met anyone whose life has been improved by the odd drink, you're deluding yourself. Come on, man, we live in Ireland. I can only think of a handful of people I've met whose lives *haven't* been improved by drinking!

so clearly one does not need it to be better or to have fun.

Again with the false dichotomies.

[Adsolution]

Yeah, but there is such a thing as the degree of the side effect. Alcohol does have much more substantial side effects than say, video games.

It's all about responsibility. If it turns out that you become a terrible person when drunk, then that should be initiative enough not to go that far again, unless you try to better understand your own psyche to rid your personality of those underlying negative tendencies. The same goes for driving: If it turns out that you're an absolutely terrible driver, then it may not be a good idea to continue driving unless you spend time off the road learning to better understand the concept and logistics behind it.

[Zikken]

Because all women are exactly the same.

I can't tell if you're being serious or not.

...really?

Yes really.

[sonicbrawler182]

Wow, spiral, you really want me to drink, huh? You wouldn't secretly be my brother, or someone from my dad's side, joining this forum to convince me to drink would you?

Seriously though, I don't understand what the big deal is. I'm not going to drink, and I don't feel like I would be missing out in doing so. And if you think I'm ignorant or whatever for doing so, then, as the saying goes, ignorance is bliss!

[Adsolution]

Wow, spiral, you really want me to drink, huh? You wouldn't secretly be my brother, or someone from my dad's side, joining this forum to convince me to drink would you?

Seriously though, I don't understand what the big deal is. I'm not going to drink, and I don't feel like I would be missing out in doing so. And if you think I'm ignorant or whatever for doing so, then, as the saying goes, ignorance is bliss!

wut

[sonicbrawler182]

I just don't see why there is a need to get confrontational over this subject. It's alcohol, not politics. Some people like it, others don't. Does it really matter if some people feel they need it to be better at certain things? Why should that mean that people who aren't interested need to try it? Because the way it's being discussed in this topic, it really feels like people who don't try alcohol are at a fault for doing so, for some wild reason.

[Adsolution]

It's not that, it's that you're assuming people are pressuring into getting you to drink, when that isn't at all what's happening; it's as if you're interpreting everyone's comments in the most obscure way possible and jumping to conclusions, resulting in a very disjunct conversation. Some of your arguments and statements clearly needed to be addressed, and that's exactly what's happened. Nothing more.

[sonicbrawler182]

I'm a really happy person, and so are all of my drinking friends. That's your problem right there.

Some taste good from the beginning, some take some getting used to, and some never taste good at all. You know, like food. Or anything else in the world. I take it you haven't tried many kinds?

If you seriously don't think you've met anyone whose life has been improved by the odd drink, you're deluding yourself. Come on, man, we live in Ireland. I can only think of a handful of people I've met whose lives *haven't* been improved by drinking!

...Are you still gonna try and tell me that doesn't sound like a person trying to convince another to drink (the "We're Irish" comment takes the cake)?
Not to mention that half of my points were blown out of proportion by others. Most of my points are why I wouldn't drink personally. Not once have I said others are bad for drinking. My best friend, who's sitting right beside me, drinks. So I have no problem with others drinking. I do have a problem with blatantly being told I need it to be happy.

[Adsolution]

...Are you still gonna try and tell me that doesn't sound like a person trying to convince another to drink

It doesn't to me.

(the "We're Irish" comment takes the cake)?

Didn't you yourself state that all you Irish folk are fond of making fun of and exploiting your stereotypes?

And don't get me started on Patrick, the Irish guy. Seriously, what's the point of putting an Irish character in there, giving him an American accent, and not touching much on Irish culture? It's redundant, and I'm sick of American made media portraying Irish people terribly). And honestly, it was just boring, plain and simple.

Are you damn kidding me? This is one of the most absurd, backward and self-racist 'criticisms' I've ever heard from anyone on any fictional character ever created. Patrick was born in America, so he wouldn't have an Irish accent, he's just proud of his Irish roots. That is all. How the bloody fuck is it a "terrible portrayal of Irish people" just because they don't indulge in his Irish lifestyle and give him an accent that he couldn't have possibly even had in the first place?

Not to mention that half of my points were blown out of proportion by others.

Nay, you must simply be interpreting it as such. Also, the proportion of your point doesn't matter, what matters is whether it's valid or not. What's being addressed the faulty arguments/points.