Friendship, love et cetera

[Rulez]

Sonicwhatever, I also don't really find alcohol all that interesting, or rather, wouldn't really want to try more often, but you have to admit Spiral makes good fucking points. There's nothing he said so far that I would describe as "trying to convince someone else to drink". He's not trying to do that, he's just saying why your points are shit. I, for one, acknowledge and accept the fact that you wish to stay away from alcohol - so do I, really - but your reasons are pretty poopy. Here's a grotesque recap of what happened so far:

I don't want alcohol because x

Actually x is false because y, and also z

OH I GET IT YOU'RE SECRETLY MY BROTHER OR DAD OR BOTH AND WANT TO SHOVE ALCOHOL DOWN MY THROAT YOU FUCKING NAZI

[sonicbrawler182]

I did state that, but when put on top of the rest of the post, it really sounded more like a serious "you're Irish, so why don't you drink?" question. I'm personally not the sort of person who considers them self Irish in terms of how my nationality has influenced my personality, so I hate the "You're Irish" card.

They are being blown out of proportion. I wasn't even arguing anything, simply stating why I PERSONALLY don't drink (as everyone else was stating why the do, or don't), then you two tried to argue something with me, even though my reasons are completely valid, as they are purely personal, and not objective reasons. As I said from the very beginning, one of my biggest reasons for not drinking is purely to strengthen my own sense of determination in general, as from a very young age, I swore to not drink. In breaking that promise, I would feel I am letting myself become overly lax. And while there are other more personal reasons as to why I wouldn't drink, I'm not going into those. Telling me my reasons are invalid is like saying it's invalid for me to like a band because I feel I relate to the lyrics in their songs.

Also, Rulez, that brother comment was a joke. I was merely having fun.

And spiral's points are good - in his mind set. But that's the thing about this issue. It's not meant to be debated (as in, people's reasons to drink it or not). It's pure personal taste. Spiral does make a good point, for example, in saying alcohol makes some people happier, or improves them. But that only applies to some people. It doesn't apply to me, and it never will, so that's a useless argument to present ME with.

[Bzzit]

Spiral does make a good point, for example, in saying alcohol makes some people happier, or improves them. But that only applies to some people. It doesn't apply to me, and it never will, so that's a useless argument to present ME with.

But the thing is you haven't actually tried being drunk, therefore you don't know for certain if it doesn't apply to you.

[sonicbrawler182]

Spiral does make a good point, for example, in saying alcohol makes some people happier, or improves them. But that only applies to some people. It doesn't apply to me, and it never will, so that's a useless argument to present ME with.

But the thing is you haven't actually tried being drunk, therefore you don't know for certain if it doesn't apply to you.

It doesn't apply to me for certain other reasons.
Again, personal stuff. I'm not going into my life story, or the darker elements of my life and personality to explain what I mean, you guys can think what ye will of me. But trust me when I say, I know drinking would be bad for me.

[Adsolution]

Regardless of what's happened to you in the past, unless you have some disorder that results in alcohol affecting you in a profoundly negative way regardless of the situation or mindset, then you can't know unless you try it. I'm saying this because that's quite literally how it is.

Note once again that no one is trying to get you to try it or anything if you don't want to, but it doesn't make sense to formulate a standpoint on something impossible to fathom if you haven't even experienced it for yourself.

[spiraldoor]

They are being blown out of proportion. I wasn't even arguing anything, simply stating why I PERSONALLY don't drink (as everyone else was stating why the do, or don't), then you two tried to argue something with me, even though my reasons are completely valid, as they are purely personal, and not objective reasons.

I don't know, quite a few of your statements about other people's drinking habits have been fairly vast and sweeping. "Well, that's what people generally do. Drink depression away" and "Nobody I have ever met has been better for drinking alcohol" are not really objective personal statements about your own life. The second one in particular strikes me as shaky, since a lot of the people you and I deal with on a daily basis are very similar, and what I know to be true of them is starkly different from what you seem to think is the case.

It doesn't apply to me for certain other reasons.
Again, personal stuff. I'm not going into my life story, or the darker elements of my life and personality to explain what I mean, you guys can think what ye will of me. But trust me when I say, I know drinking would be bad for me.

I don't know if this is relevant to your situation, but my father and I react to drink in radically different ways. You may think it would be a bad choice for you, but I don't believe you can actually deduce this with the experience at hand.

[sonicbrawler182]

The "drink depression away" comment was a joke of sorts, but I suppose people didn't pick up on it at all.

And how the heck can you say the people you and I deal with are very similar? We live in the same country, but that doesn't mean anything. The people we know are individuals, each with their own complex psyches. We can't just say they are all the same based on country of origin. Being Irish doesn't automatically mean you're better if you drink, no matter what media stereotypes say.
I have not met a single person who drinks, and thought to myself "man, it'd be a shame if that person didn't drink at all. They wouldn't be nearly as endearing if they never had a drink". Of course, they might evaluate themselves differently, but I've never thought the people I know who drink were anymore endearing for drinking. In most cases, it hasn't made them better, or worse. However, I actually know a few people who are WORSE because of drink (for example, my mother's ex-husband pissed all over the carpet just inside the door of our old house when we lived there, after coming into the house drunk, from a party next door, and then proceeded to speak to my mother in an incredibly disrespectful manner). So as you can see, I have literally no reason to believe I would be a better man if I was into alcohol. Everyone in my life has proven that I wouldn't be any better, or that I'd just be a huge shithead (like my mother's ex-husband).

But even all of that isn't my main reason for staying away from alcohol. My main reasons are merely very personal ones that I'm not going to discuss here, past the determination thing. They're reasons that purely involve me, and not others. It's much like romance, I also have very personal reasons to steer clear of that for a while, more to do with myself than anyone else.

[Adsolution]

But even all of that isn't my main reason for staying away from alcohol. My main reasons are merely very personal ones that I'm not going to discuss here, past the determination thing. They're reasons that purely involve me, and not others. It's much like romance, I also have very personal reasons to steer clear of that for a while, more to do with myself than anyone else.

You don't know if either would actually be bad for you though.

[sonicbrawler182]

Yes, I do know. Again, I'm not going to explain why because it's personal, and I'd rather keep most of my personal life separate from this website.

And for the record, romance is something I have experience with. Quite a bit of experience, actually.

[spiraldoor]

And how the heck can you say the people you and I deal with are very similar?

Eighteen-year-old Irish undergraduate students of computer games design are a very particular demographic.

[sonicbrawler182]

I was referring to people I have met across the entirety of my life. Even within my age group, I'm well acquainted with many people who do things entirely different to games design.

[Rulez]

Also, Rulez, that brother comment was a joke. I was merely having fun.

rly

[sonicbrawler182]

ya rly

[Rulez]

yea i was havin dowbts.,

[sonicbrawler182]

jus follo ur heart and it will be a-ok

[OCG]

I love how topic about Friendship and love turned into topic about drinking

[sonicbrawler182]

I can show friendship and love.

if ya kno wat i mean

[Master]

Can you also extend your reach to the stars above?

[Keane]

I can show friendship and love.

if ya kno wat i mean

you want gay sex with ocg

[Rulez]

I can show friendship and love.

if ya kno wat i mean

you want gay sex with ocg

who doesnet?