Favorite Game Console

[sonicbrawler182]

It's good for if there are any games you missed out on, though.

Not that it really matters in my case because I have a modded Wii and can get Wii and GameCube games for free as a result, ssshhhhh...

[technology4617]

We've got ePSXe for PS1 games. I don't think we need the PS4 to support PSone games.

ePSXe is an imperfect emulator that many games (including Rayman) won't even run on it. What sucks is that it could be so easily implemented, yet they chose not to include it. And what about PS2 games? There are a great number of people who would want to play PS2 games, and Sony has chosen to not implement that feature either.

[sonicbrawler182]

We've got ePSXe for PS1 games. I don't think we need the PS4 to support PSone games.

ePSXe is an imperfect emulator that many games (including Rayman) won't even run on it. What sucks is that it could be so easily implemented, yet they chose not to include it. And what about PS2 games? There are a great number of people who would want to play PS2 games, and Sony has chosen to not implement that feature either.

Are you kidding me? ePSXe works a charm, and can even be used to give you an experience BETTER than the original releases. I haven't even got a very good laptop, and I'm capable of doing this. And I know for a fact I could run Rayman 2 perfectly.

You just have to fiddle around with plug-ins and settings, like any emulator.

There is also a really good PS2 emulator available, though you admittedly need a higher spec machine to take advantage of it. It's wonderful if you have the specs for it, though.

[Snagglebee]

There is also a really good PS2 emulator available, though you admittedly need a higher spec machine to take advantage of it. It's wonderful if you have the specs for it, though.

Hehe, trust me bugs and glitches everywhere. I'd recommend original hardware!

[sonicbrawler182]

Of course there are a few, but I see enough videos of people playing PS2 games perfectly on an emulator (and sometimes in HD resolution).

[technology4617]

Are you kidding me? ePSXe works a charm, and can even be used to give you an experience BETTER than the original releases. I haven't even got a very good laptop, and I'm capable of doing this. And I know for a fact I could run Rayman 2 perfectly.

You just have to fiddle around with plug-ins and settings, like any emulator.

There is also a really good PS2 emulator available, though you admittedly need a higher spec machine to take advantage of it. It's wonderful if you have the specs for it, though.

ePSXe works like a charm. That's why it runs Silent Hill in slow-motion and won't even load Rayman 1 at all. Really, the only decent PC PlayStation emulator I have encountered is XEBRA, and it still has its own issues, like broken audio interpolation and no controller vibration.

As for the PS2, I have encountered many severe texture glitches with PCSX2, such as the textures showing up as gray or black, when they should be a different color. I have also encountered slowdown and framerate drops with some games (Sly 2 in particular). Really, I'm never using a PC emulator for the PS2 again.

Also, if a PS2 emulator (even a buggy one) can be implemented on the PC, why not on the PS4? Sony has the resources/documentation to make this happen, yet they are choosing not to. The only thing Sony is omitting that makes any sense is PS3 backwards compatibility, since they would need the PS3 chipset to make that work.

My desktop's specs:
Intel i7-3770K
GTX 560Ti 448 Core Edition
32GB RAM

[Snagglebee]

I fully agree with you Tech!
Still I wouldn't recommend emulators, Games weren't desinged to work on emulators you know

[sonicbrawler182]

won't even load Rayman 1 at all.

?????

Plug-ins and settings, they mean everything.

Also, I got controller vibration in ePSXe working without any trouble at all.

[Snagglebee]

It plays the PAL and NTSC-J versions but I heared that it won't play the NTSC version.

[sonicbrawler182]

Does that really matter? Just get the BIOS for all regions, that's what I did. So I can play any game from any region just fine.

[Snagglebee]

Do you acutally realise that all bioses are region free huh ⌐‿⌐

[technology4617]

?????

Plug-ins and settings, they mean everything.

Also, I got controller vibration in ePSXe working without any trouble at all.

Aren't those graphical glitches just lovely?

Also, the game (or at least the only versions that run at the proper speed) won't run at all in the later versions of the emulator. Try it and you'll see.

[Snagglebee]

?????

Plug-ins and settings, they mean everything.

Also, I got controller vibration in ePSXe working without any trouble at all.

Aren't those graphical glitches just lovely?

haha, cheers my friend! But you also have to admit that emulators can be also really good! The original playstation can output 240i and emulators can improve the image quality a bit and boom you have a good looking 1080p.

[Haruka]

A difficult choice. Hmmm... Since people are saying more than one, my favourites are Game Boy Advance SP, Playstation 2 and Nintendo 64 (I don't have one but it is a really good console).

[sonicbrawler182]

Then what's the trouble? That still moots your own argument of the NTSC version not working, because the PAL version works just fine. It's the exact same game.

I got the BIOS for each region just to be prepared, in case I needed them.

And regarding Sony not implementing PS1 and PS2 game support into the PS4, you do realise that even when a console does have backwards compatibility, it's usually only a generation back? To expect it to go any further is just being greedy on the consumer's part, and impractical on the engineer's part. PS3 may of had support for both PSone and PS2, but they started changing that because it was limiting the console and costing them too much to implement.

Even lacking PS3 backwards compatibility, while unfortunate, is completely reasonable, and if it helps the PS4 handle PS4 games better, I'd rather not have full backwards compatibility. I still own every Sony system, as do others.

@tech: Those glitches are probably fixable with a bit of tweaking, I was just proving that it does work, and is perfectly playable.

And Rayman 1 isn't the only game for the PS1. It runs TONS of other games just fine.

[Snagglebee]

Then what's the trouble? That still moots your own argument of the NTSC version not working, because the PAL version works just fine. It's the exact same game.

Nope, they are some small differences.[/quote]

[sonicbrawler182]

But as long as the core game is the same it shouldn't matter.

Like yeah, I know there are differences between NTSC and PAL (frame rates, for instance), but I've always found them inconsequential. It's rare that there are differences in actual game content between two different regional versions of the same game.

[technology4617]

Then what's the trouble? That still moots your own argument of the NTSC version not working, because the PAL version works just fine. It's the exact same game.

So the it's the exact same game, despite the fact that the PAL version runs at only 5/6 of the speed?

And regarding Sony not implementing PS1 and PS2 game support into the PS4, you do realise that even when a console does have backwards compatibility, it's usually only a generation back? To expect it to go any further is just being greedy on the consumer's part, and impractical on the engineer's part. PS3 may of had support for both PSone and PS2, but they started changing that because it was limiting the console and costing them too much to implement.

Your argument makes no sense. How is it "greedy" of the consumer to want a multibillion-dollar company to implement PS1 and PS2 on fucking x86 hardware. It's one of the easiest fucking tasks in the world for a company as big as Sony, who has tons of documentation on all of their systems! Hell, for PS1, they could just port the XEBRA emulator over to the PS4. And how is it impractical on the "engineer's" part if it's just software emulation?

Also, all models of the PS3 support PS1 games, since it's done through software emulation.

Even lacking PS3 backwards compatibility, while unfortunate, is completely reasonable, and if it helps the PS4 handle PS4 games better, I'd rather not have full backwards compatibility. I still own every Sony system, as do others.

I can kind of understand why they didn't implement PS3 backwards compatibility, since it would require them to install the PS3 chips, but still, why couldn't they? The YLOD problem in the PS3 wasn't caused by the PS2 chips, it was caused by the crappy ceramic thermal paste and the cheap parts they used in the PS3. Really, it would only increase the size of the console a little bit, and the benefit would be enormous!

Also, I don't want to own every fucking system Sony made to play all PlayStation games. I'd rather have one console that could do it all. Also, there are some benefits to backwards compatibility, such as infinite memory cards and progressive scan output.

@tech: Those glitches are probably fixable with a bit of tweaking, I was just proving that it does work, and is perfectly playable.

And Rayman 1 isn't the only game for the PS1. It runs TONS of other games just fine.

Like Silent Hill running "just fine?" http://youtu.be/7QigVoG8xUI

Also, what about all the other people who don't know how/don't want to configure an emulator? They want backwards compatibility in the console, even if it's just software emulation.

[sonicbrawler182]

I don't even need to respond to that post because you proved half of my points for me anyway, but one thing that needs addressing:

Also, what about all the other people who don't know how/don't want to configure an emulator? They want backwards compatibility in the console, even if it's just software emulation.

Maybe, just maybe, if gamers were not so entitled and not willing to do a bit of configuration of settings, or were at least willing to switch a few cords from time to time, we wouldn't be stereotyped like so:

[technology4617]

I don't even need to respond to that post because you proved half of my points for me anyway, but one thing that needs addressing:

Er, what of your points did I prove? I proved that PS1 and PS2 software emulation would be extremely easy to implement. I never brought up PS3 backwards compatibility until you did, since I can kind of understand why they omitted it. It's a crappy reason, sure, but I wasn't "proving your points."

Also, games don't instantly become bad because they're "old."

Maybe, just maybe, if gamers were not so entitled and not willing to do a bit of configuration of settings, or were at least willing to switch a few cords from time to time, we wouldn't be stereotyped like so:

So...Sony shouldn't (very easily) implement these features, because it would be convenient for the consumer. Okay....