Official Nintendo Topic

[OCG]

Meh, considering the PSP is old gen, and the actual console the 3DS should be shaping up to, is the Vita, that's rather obvious, no?

Seems like the death of the Wii continues: http://www.gamespot.com/articles/wii-st ... 0-6415783/

Yep, Wii is giving the first steps for its discontinuation. At least I read that Wii Minis will still be manufactured and sold along with the Wii accessories and software. I still look to my Wii, amazed that it is going to be 7 years old in a few days. How time really flies !

I don't see why would anyone get Wii Mini right now. It is much wiser to save money for Wii U.

[Master]

Indeed, though it's a nice budget option if you want to have a good console and are cash strapped.

[sonicbrawler182]

So has anyone else watched Game Theory's "Why Mario is Mental" two-part episode?

Because holy shit, I always had the head cannon that Mario was a stuck up jerk who is consumed by his fame, but now I see legit points backing up how Mario could easily be interpreted as a sociopath.

[Master]

Hm, I see, I'll give it a watch sometime.
Though this begs another question, if Mario is a sociopath, why does Luigi stick with him?

[OCG]

I watched Part 1. Is Part 2 uploaded yet?
My younger brother watched the Part 1 with me, and he was shocked. He is huge Mario fanatic. He used to be Crash fanatic in past but not anymore at all. Now he could not care less for any game thats not Mario and he still tried to defend Mario after the video was over (spoiler, he failed)

@Master
Luigi is blinded by Mario's fame to see reality
Although in Mario Tennis, Mario was a real dick to Luigi.

[Master]

Interesting, I don't come across many Mario fanatics irl.

[sonicbrawler182]

@OCG: Yes, part 2 is up.

@Master: They do actually address the point of why Luigi sticks with Mario. It's due to Luigi looking up to Mario (proven through his diary entries in Paper Mario), and the fact that Luigi has a loving personality (as we see him genuinely shed tears when he finally rescues Mario in the original Luigi's Mansion).

Also, I'd personally be willing to bet that them sharing a house in Paper Mario has something to do with it.

[OCG]

Nintendo, why on earth are you killing fun for us?

[Haruka]

Clara just told me, and I did confirm this on my 3DS. I also read the article in Nintendolife: http://www.nintendolife.com/news/2013/1 ... y_concerns

First, I think Nintendo is being ridiculous by shutting down the service to everybody, especially to the people that have nothing to do with the violations of the use of the app. I did have the Streetpass deactivated to avoid getting letters from strangers in the street, and only receiving from my friends on the internet through SpotPass. With this dumb decision, this app is totally useless now, just like the PictoChat back in the DS era, that I never used because of the lack of online interaction. It isn't even the same fun sending letters to the friend that is one meter far from me. We did downgrade to 2004 right now.

Secondly, both the kids and the parents are idiots. The kids, for sharing their personal friend codes on forums and accessible to strangers that can have either good or bad intentions, and the parents for not controlling the activities of their kids, to give them proper advices about a safe use of the internet (and this also applies to the use of the 3DS) and not seem to have even a clue that the console owns a Parental Control option.

There's honestly no excuse for such thing happening. Why Nintendo didn't simply block the use of the Letterbox to the infractors? The kids can get offended anyway by using the 3DS browser and landing on an unfortunate website. I would like to remember that the Wii U owns the Wii U Chat app, so I can already imagine a possible next service to flush down if the same policies are applied. Thanks for ruining the fun to the innocent users, Nintendo.

[sonicbrawler182]

Although it seems stupid, you have to look at things from Nintendo's perspective:

As you just pointed out, it's up to the kids and their parents to limit the use younger people have on the service, as well as the sick people misusing it to stop...

...but the problem is, they're NOT gonna do that. Ever. So someone has to take action. If Nintendo just let this continue, then it would have VERY serious repercussions for them. So they had to do something. The smartest - no, ONLY thing they can do - is shut down the service.

It's sad the service has to be shut down, but why are people getting angry at Nintendo? They're making the right decision. It's the only option they have to counter the noticeable abuse of the service. We can say "we shouldn't have to suffer because of the actions of ignorant parents and sick people", but there is absolutely nothing Nintendo can do to set those people straight. And they're not going to set themselves straight.

Really, people getting mad at Nintendo over this is a perfect example of how today's gamers have this obnoxiously large sense of entitlement that is completely unjustified.

And no, I'm not an apologetic Nintendo fan - I call them out on bad decisions all of the time (not here, as I have not been in such discussions here, but on another forum, and even in real life conversation, I do so). But they ARE making a logical decision here.

[OCG]

I don't think this is right decision Sonic. If something like this happened on Microsoft and Sony Console, do you think they would care? If this happened to any other company they would most likely not give shit. I do love Nintendo games very much but I am questioning many decisions Nintendo makes. Nintendo needs to stop worrying about kids, kids need to learn how to behave online (seriously, I get insulted by kids for opinion many times on YouTube - not that I care much but it shows what are they doing), and freaking parents should read console instructions and make parental code before giving console to child if they are immature pricks. I am sick of kids like that who ruin everything just GTFO of internet.

[Master]

Meh, I can appreciate Brawler's viewpoint, seeing as how video game bashing is a thing, last thing Ninty wants is trouble for what its users are doing.

[OCG]

What kind of trouble could Nintendo possibly be in? Like I said before, if it happened on any other system, nobody would care. Nintendo shouldn't care either.

[Master]

Put it this way, Portal 2 once attracted controversy merely for its adoption jokes, people can and will overblow the simplest of issues regarding a game for attention.

[sonicbrawler182]

OCG, as I said, you are right in saying that it's the fault of ignorant parents and sick individuals that this problem exists.

But the problem is, do you honestly think THEY'RE going to take responsibility, in order to maintain the fun for the rest of us? Short answer is, no. They are not.

The reason this would have repercussions if Nintendo didn't shut down the service is because these ignorant parents are incapable of taking responsibility, and therefore, if they don't see Nintendo doing something to stop the inappropriate use of the service (and the only thing they can do is shut it down, sadly - there is no way for them to disable SpotPass on the individual 3DS' of the people misusing the service), then they will start spreading word that "NINTENDO IS A PERVERTED COMPANY" or some crap like that. Then the media hears this, and distorts the truth even further (for example, they might start to claim that Nintendo's games promote inappropriate behaviour directly. And considering how easy it is to warp Mario's character into being classed as a sociopath, it's not that hard to convince people of that sort of thing). Then you would see a severe drop in the sales of Nintendo products, as these parents would be boycotting Nintendo products at this point, and like or not, these parents and their kids are a large part of Nintendo's demographic and get them the majority of their sales (larger than us older gamers, anyway).

And Microsoft and Sony WOULD care if this sort of stuff is happening. If something like this happened to them, they'd take action even faster than Nintendo, as both Microsoft and Sony have had much more controversy to deal with then Nintendo over the years. The last thing they need is more.

[Haruka]

...but the problem is, they're NOT gonna do that. Ever. So someone has to take action. If Nintendo just let this continue, then it would have VERY serious repercussions for them. So they had to do something. The smartest - no, ONLY thing they can do - is shut down the service.

It's sad the service has to be shut down, but why are people getting angry at Nintendo? They're making the right decision. It's the only option they have to counter the noticeable abuse of the service. We can say "we shouldn't have to suffer because of the actions of ignorant parents and sick people", but there is absolutely nothing Nintendo can do to set those people straight. And they're not going to set themselves straight.

I think it would be more clever doing an obligatory update to the software of the Letterbox in order to be possible to exist moderation about the use of the app, and the people violating the rules would be punished. It would be much more fair if this was done in this way. Me and more people have nothing to do with this, and the console isn't even 3 years old to have such thing obsolete right now. The app suddenly got as useful as PictoChat, and to make myself clearer, I never used PictoChat. It is just sad that things had to be solved like this, which is why I'm expressing my unsatisfaction.

Really, people getting mad at Nintendo over this is a perfect example of how today's gamers have this obnoxiously large sense of entitlement that is completely unjustified.

And no, I'm not an apologetic Nintendo fan - I call them out on bad decisions all of the time (not here, as I have not been in such discussions here, but on another forum, and even in real life conversation, I do so). But they ARE making a logical decision here.

I made myself clear in my reasons to be unsatisfied with this decision so I don't think my opinion is unjustified. It would be the same thing as YouTube getting shutdown worldwide because of people uploading offensive material. I can call myself a fan/admirer of Nintendo but I can admit whatever the company does good decisions or not, contrary to many fanboyism out there. This one wasn't neither excellent or abysmal. Hopefully, Nintendo will eventually solve this issue later.

[OCG]

I was planning to use Swapnote/Letterbox in future, and I am still mad at this. Now I might as well delete app, since I don't know anyone in real life who has 3DS so this is useless to me. I do hope Wii U will still have chat option once I get the console.

[sonicbrawler182]

Again, there is no need for Nintendo to be the ones we get angry at. They're just doing their job in this case. SpotPass and StreetPass already can be turned off entirely, but as stated before, ignorant parents are not privy to this. Nintendo realise this. They've provided the tools for moderation that could fix this problem, but nobody is using them. So in order to avoid some very serious repercussions, they shut down the service. Like it or not, this is the right decision for them. Would you rather this one little service get shut down, or a string of controversy and propaganda to damage their name, their sales, and as a result, the quality of future products, as well as the rate at which we get them (Wii U is JUST starting to get waves of good games, the last thing we need is for controversy to slow that momentum down)?

YouTube is not a good comparison to make here - with YouTube, your videos are being uploaded onto the Internet, more specifically, YouTube's OWN servers. Therefore, if you upload something inappropriate, it can easily be spotted and taken down. However, StreetPass merely sends files saved on one's internal 3DS memory or SD Card directly to another person's 3DS. It does not use the Internet, and therefore, Nintendo cannot moderate it at all, beyond providing the option to turn it off (parents will not use it though, because they are ignorant). As for SpotPass, that uses Wi-Fi hotspots, which use servers that are not owned by Nintendo in most cases, therefore, cannot be moderated by Nintendo.

[Haruka]

Again, there is no need for Nintendo to be the ones we get angry at. They're just doing their job in this case. SpotPass and StreetPass already can be turned off entirely, but as stated before, ignorant parents are not privy to this. Nintendo realise this. They've provided the tools for moderation that could fix this problem, but nobody is using them. So in order to avoid some very serious repercussions, they shut down the service. Like it or not, this is the right decision for them.

I hope you are understanding that I'm not defending that Nintendo should shrug to the problem and let the kids getting victimized with the service anyway. I know they are only preventing the existance of more cases, but I really find sad that it had to be Nintendo taking these measures while the parents could have prevented this in first place, but then, we aren't all equal. I'll repeat also what I said before: they could simply have created an update to the Letterbox to add moderation, like the one that exists in the Miiverse. This would have been even more correct than what they did. In other words, I'm not saying it was a terrible idea the service shutdown, it wasn't really that clever. Because of few everybody needs to pay. Unfairness. If they somehow knew that this problem could happen, then I don't know why the app was developed in first place. This can totally happen with much bigger damage to the victims in the Wii U Chat.

Would you rather this one little service get shut down, or a string of controversy and propaganda to damage their name, their sales, and as a result, the quality of future products, as well as the rate at which we get them (Wii U is JUST starting to get waves of good games, the last thing we need is for controversy to slow that momentum down)?

I'm sorry but I am really not seeing how this is linked to the sellings of the company's products. Like if Nintendo is the guilty for what happened to the kids. By your logic, this would be the thought of the future costumers: "They saw innapropriate content on the PSVita's Skype, so lets not buy more consoles from Sony." "They were redirected to a porn website, so lets not buy more computers". Doesn't this sound ridiculous? Owning the service is a totally different thing of people that use the same service innapropriately. It isn't also like they didn't warn about the conduct code of the app.

YouTube is not a good comparison to make here - with YouTube, your videos are being uploaded onto the Internet, more specifically, YouTube's OWN servers. Therefore, if you upload something inappropriate, it can easily be spotted and taken down.

As far as I'm aware, the letters from the Letterbox also get uploaded on Nintendo's own servers, thus this comparasion.

However, StreetPass merely sends files saved on one's internal 3DS memory or SD Card directly to another person's 3DS. It does not use the Internet, and therefore, Nintendo cannot moderate it at all, beyond providing the option to turn it off (parents will not use it though, because they are ignorant).

I don't know if you are aware that I'm talking about the SpotPass since the very beginning of this discussion, and you know that the StreetPass letters aren't the source of the problem that leaded to Nintendo's decision.

To end with this discussion, I just hope that the infractors are happy now that they made Nintendo leading to the decision of cutting down the service to everybody.

[Dart]

at the very least we might be getting the 3ds plaza app soon.