Rayman Legends

[Master]

He is indeed, I think it was in the Swamps of Begoniax, but I'm not 100% on that.

[Electoon]

Though Rayman 3 strangely leaving out the whole cast is another discussion.

Atleast Rayman 3 brought over more cast from Rayman 2 than Rayman 2 did from the first game

[sonicbrawler182]

I hardly get emotional over Rayman 2's cutscenes

They're supposed to be charming and serene, not deeply emotional, unless we're referring to some kind of deep emotion as the inspirational basis for creating good art.

But charming and serene should still make you feel some kind of emotion. I never meant like Professor Layton deeply depressing levels of emotion or anything like that. Just something. I feel Rayman 2 doesn't succeed at being charming and serene in it's cutscenes (except for the gibberish language, which I love, but the actual dialogue and character interactions are so flat because of the lack of the development and build up), because because I feel so clueless half of the time. Like, Rayman and Clark act like such good friends, but the game does nothing to tell me why. Keeping in mind that I, the player, am supposed to be playing from the perspective of Rayman, I should be filled in on this, so I can better connect with the characters, and feel more involved.

That's basically why I feel the story aspects are Rayman 2's weakest. I love the game for it's mechanics (other than the combat and the awful mini games like the pirate ship segment), soundtrack, aesthetics, and it's atmosphere (Tomb of the Ancients being the perfect example, as it has a legitimate fear factor). But the plot is extremely simple (as simple as Origins or Legends, really), and the character interactions are flat and there is no sense of development. And I don't have a legitimate reason to care about the characters, as the game doesn't let me get to know them.

[Adsolution]

Rayman 2 and Ocarina of Time have a very similar way of conveying their great, iconic charm and serenity, which you didn't seem to feel in that game either, so I suppose it's difficult to describe.

[sonicbrawler182]

Please, enlighten me then. :I

Though I don't think Rayman and Link are the most comparable protagonists. They serve different purposes.

I'm not saying these games are without iconic charm, just not within the plot.

[Keane]

Rayman 2 and Ocarina of Time have a very similar way of conveying their great, iconic charm and serenity, which you didn't seem to feel in that game either, so I suppose it's difficult to describe.

Holy fuck, that's a great comparison. These two do have similarities.

[Adsolution]

Please, enlighten me then. :I

I would, if I had the time to type out a ten-paragraph post, instantly delete it after realising how waffled it is, spend four times the amount of time I took to write it to shorten it, post it, an hour later realise I left out a crucial detail, add it in using another three paragraphs, instantly delete it realising how waffled it is, spend four times the amount of time shortening it, re-post it, only then to have a 5% chance of actually convincing you of my view. I have novels to be read, assets to be modelled and assignments to be done!

[sonicbrawler182]

Alright, alright, I get the picture. :V

I was just legitimately open to hearing if there was something I was missing out on or something. It's just that, I can think of so many games that do what I feel Rayman 2 and Ocarina of Time were trying to do so much better (and in OoT's case, I can think of examples within it's own franchise).

[Disionity]

The cast of Rayman 2, like Adsolution said, primarily relies on charm above everything else. The characters, for the most part, lack in any emotional depth and this isn't an entirely good thing. While the game conveys it story quite well, it does it more so with charm than character development leading to emotional impact. For a new 3D Rayman title, I would rather have a game that takes inspiration from Rayman 2 and 3 in atmosphere and basic gameplay, while refining it and adding in new mechanics and to have a serious story and great character development as well. I believe ROTD really is doing a fantastic job on combining those factors. Now I just have to be patient and wait for the game to be finished.

[Keane]

If you want a hugely atmospheric platformer with a memorable cast of characters that can get emotional but you haven't played Epic Mickey then you're wasting while you complain.

Only difference is that Epic Mickey controls clunky and can be a little frustrating at times, but if that's what you want then look past that and you'll have a blast. And if you fall in love with it like me then prepare to have your heart broken by the sequel.

[Disionity]

Coincidentally, I have played the original Epic Mickey. While I have yet to complete the game, what I played of it was great, clunky controls aside. Is the sequel really as horrid as many make it out be though?

[Stoney!]

That ^

I do wish Clark and Sssam had bigger roles in the game I mean I love Sssam, I payed 1000 tings to get him on my signature, but he just kinda pops up, helps you out annnd that's it. He's not even in the ending scene with everyone else. He could have easily made a return in Rayman 3 at least. Though Rayman 3 strangely leaving out the whole cast is another discussion.

If I recall correctly, Sssam was in the GBA version of Rayman 3. The one I played, anyway.
My favourite characters had even smaller roles than Sssam and Clark...

Isn't Rayman 3 on GBA just Rayman 2 in desguise?

Well as for clark, i'd love to see return, he was badass, and acctually appeared more than once.
SSSS*boom* (JK rofl)
SSssam was killed by razoff.

"I won't forget you sssssam"
a level later he forgot about ssssam, and then he was killed by razoff, THATS HOW MUCH HE PHAILZ AT LYF

So you could PROBABLY tell I don't like sssam, which is true, he did nothing besides let you ski across water filled with pirahnaz. (I spelled things wrong, I know)

[OCG]

It has elements from R2 but there are Hoodlums in game too.

[Master]

Barely though, there's only a few levels with the hoodlums in, the majority are Robot Pirates, add the many Rayman 2 tracks and retreads, and it's clear that the game is more Rayman 2 than 3.

[sonicbrawler182]

If you want a hugely atmospheric platformer with a memorable cast of characters that can get emotional but you haven't played Epic Mickey then you're wasting while you complain.

Only difference is that Epic Mickey controls clunky and can be a little frustrating at times, but if that's what you want then look past that and you'll have a blast. And if you fall in love with it like me then prepare to have your heart broken by the sequel.

I have Epic Mickey, thank you. :V

I could say more on this whole charade as I don't find the characters in Rayman 2 very charming at all (there was great potential, but it was squandered, I feel), but I'm beginning to realise that trying to look at sacred games on the same level as any game doesn't get you very far on the forum that game is related to. I think every other aspect of Rayman 2 is exceptionally charming, but I feel the story and characters fell flat in that regard.

[Dart]

I could say more on this whole charade as I don't find the characters in Rayman 2 very charming at all (there was great potential, but it was squandered, I feel), but I'm beginning to realise that trying to look at sacred games on the same level as any game doesn't get you very far on the forum that game is related to.

THANK YOU! about time somebody realized that! and I posted earlier SNU that it happens to affect you depending on how and when you you were raised. it would be impossible to argue Rayman or TWEWY to me because THEY ARE APART OF ME! this is the only time i will use the word "nostalgia" as an excuse; but things like rayman do this to you just because they WERE YOU!


So please stop the madness of discusing whose childhood is better because it is absolutely pointless!

[Adsolution]

We're not arguing about childhoods or nostalgia. Wtf?

Also, that image implies the exact opposite of what you're saying: That The Lion King's impact clearly isn't simply a nostalgia factor. Not that that might not be the case with some people talking about Rayman 2, but that's not evidently so at the moment, so your post is totally irrelevant.

but I'm beginning to realise that trying to look at sacred games on the same level as any game doesn't get you very far on the forum that game is related to.

You don't trust any of us to compare them on an even scale, simply because you don't feel the same way most people do about Rayman 2? Should I be offended on behalf of the entire community?

[sonicbrawler182]

On the topic of Legends itself, how are those servers doing for everyone else?

[Keane]

I think that it's because both of you value different aspects, and I'm more on Ad's side. Just like Ad said I could write you several pages on why Rayman 2 has managed to stay at the top for me despite there being a lot of other games that I hugely praise and due to not having owned an R2 copy for years I feel no nostalgia for it. When we argued about Legends VS. Rayman 2 I compared Rayman 2 to Half-Life because both games are my favourites for similar reasons. While completely different games both manage to make themselves great trough even little things. The way locations look and act, the atmosphere that it creates, the characters and their personalities, even if, in both games, they play small roles. When music comes in and what it sounds like. In my opinion two of the best parts of any games I've ever played are The Woods of Light in Rayman 2 and Half-Life making you walk trough a disastrous, bloody area that was perfectly normal just moments ago. Both of these have a very unique feeling that was masterful at the time and still manages to impress after all these years. I think it depends on how you look at a game. I feel that Ad looks at it with a more artistic view whilst you view more based upon how the mechanics work, if the game is remaining to offer you new things and if a game can make you feel something without having to examine much.

I have Epic Mickey, thank you. :V

Well then play it. Look at this stuff.



If you're not excited enough to pop the game in right now instead of argue then I don't know anymore.

Coincidentally, I have played the original Epic Mickey. While I have yet to complete the game, what I played of it was great, clunky controls aside. Is the sequel really as horrid as many make it out be though?

The sequel is playable and can be fun at times but it really doesn't live up to the original at all. The clunky controls and camera weren't fixed which sucks, but it's the other things that don't work. While I think the story is good it's missing something. Part of what irritates me is that not until near the end of the game they do the typical "Bad guy pretends to be good but is obviously evil and the main characters fall for it" thing and a majority of the story is just them going to places that the bad guy tells them to. The ending is certainly charming, especially if you make the right choice, but it's a bit of a repeat from the original and if you made bad choices this ending doesn't really hit you as hard. I also wish they made actual new locations rather then putting you in the same world. Yes, they added on a lot of new stuff but it's still the same places. However there is at least two or three new places which are all actually very good parts of the game and make me wonder why they didn't make more. The music is also a lot of same tunes that are simply remixed a bit. While Epic Mickey does have a perfect soundtrack I'd rather they had made another one instead of reusing old tracks.

But it's the gameplay that really breaks it all. You HAVE to travel with Oswald ALL the time. His AI is fucking horrible. He doesn't do what you want him to do, gets stuck behind things, does almost nothing in combat and I spend about an hour to get him to help me with a puzzle. His role in the gameplay really isn't that big and I feel like they should have excluded him in single player. In multiplayer I've heard it's really fun but if you don't have a friend to play a whole game with you then you will have to deal with this constantly. The collecting aspect of the game is still a bit lame and once you get rich (About halfway into the game) there's nothing left to buy that you actually really need. The challenges are still tedious and really vague. Sometimes I'm told to do something and I really have no clue how to. And when you finally figure it out you get a fucking achievement for it. There's also a whole bunch of glitches but at least those are amusing at times (Worst I got was Oswald endlessly getting hit by nothing while he flew into the air. Meanwhile Mickey was standing on nothing and his feet were cut off. I don't even know)

It's no Sonic 06 and if you like the first one a lot then It's worth checking out but it's not gonna be the same fun. There's a ton of stuff to do after you beat the game but I never did any of it because I was just bored and tired of the bad aspects. Even if there's not as much care put into this one the world is still very appealing and beautiful and the cast is solid. I mean, sometimes the game does work and when that happens it's great. Some places can feel really melancholy and I even remember one part being a bit creepy with all these lifeless faces staring at you. So yeah, kind of a love/hate thing. I'd give it a 5.5/10

The third game is cancelled though. Not sure if that's a good or bad thing. But it's not like the ending is really open or anything, just a little nod towards a new installment at the end.

[Cairnie]

On the topic of Legends itself, how are those servers doing for everyone else?

Like complete garbage, the 700+ hour bug spread to the weekly ones now.