Rayman 3 scores

[GOT4N]

Wanna do a TAS of Max Score to see whats max theorical score is possible.

[Cut]

Wanna do a TAS of Max Score to see whats max theorical score is possible.

I think the only interesting levels would be FC and SBTC (where the final combo is just impossible to play on maximum as a human) due to the 100k-border which prevents us from even scoring up to 140-150k in several levels. Then you should better try on Rayman 3 HD where this border is removed, but this makes scoring really absurd due to the snowboard-trick which would allow infinite points. But if you ignore the snowboard-trick this would be actually pretty interesting.

BTW, did you ever think of a 0-cage-run in R3? As far as I can remember, there are only 4 cages left you would have to find a solution for (BOM part 2, BOM part 4, DOTK part 7 red can and TOTL part 1 final cage)

[GOT4N]

DOTK Part 7 is skippable. So I still have to find a solution for BOM Part 2,4 and TOTL part1. But still have also to do a 100% run.

[Hunchman801]

Wanna do a TAS of Max Score to see whats max theorical score is possible.

I remember suggesting you to give it a try, so I do indeed find the idea interesting.

[GOT4N]

Yup. I'm pretty sure even if the max counter is 9999, the score value herself doesn't stops.

[DTUCC]

not sure what exactly you mean, but if the score goes post 99.999, no object gives you any points anymore, while the combo counter can go past 9999 multiple times. in fact, there is a >20k combo in TOTL.

i find a score TAS hardly redundact, since everything listed in the solution on page 1 has been done non-TAS already. the only level where it would be remotely interesting is SBTC, where the final combo is pretty much a pipedream for a non-TAS player. if you're willing to put some thought into it, go ahead, but if you just want to TAS the solution on page one, you wouldn't even make it further than #5 spot in the HoF in terms of scores. if you want to do it anyway, go ahead, i certainly wouldn't mind having a complete video solution for the articles on page 1 here

like cut, i'd find a 0 cage run a lot more interesting. i have attempted this a few weeks ago and gotten the game down to the 4 cages cut mentioned. and no, the speedrunners don't skip the cage in DOTK part 7 that gives you the red can. maybe there's a slower strat that allows you to skip that cage i don't know of, though.

[sfn42]

As CC and Cut said, a R3 scoring TAS wouldn't be that interesting, really because you could exceed the current maximum score only in one level, SBTC, and even there, you'd probably get 500 points at most. There is also the issue of the 100k-limit. If you play every combo perfectly in e.g. TLOTLD or HH you'll have way too many points at some point to get the actual maximum, so you'd either have to get hit a few hundred times or play a few comboes imperfectly. The former would be monotonous as hell for you and the latter kinda defeats the purpose of a TAS. What I'd really welcome, though, would be a TAS of R3HD (as Cut suggested), as that game doesn't have the 100k-limit. A TAS would be a good indicator of what is actually possible in that game, in terms of maximum scores.

[Sajiki]

at this point i want to add that i highly appreciate and respect your opinion xenon, as youre the only one from the other side who always gave understandable explanations and the will to find compromises in your answers. as i explained in my previous post i also have a lot of respect for mandm as a player even though i find his way of arguing sometimes highly questionable.

for adsolution however i did definitely not feel the need to show any respect because the sole purpose of his posts on the last 20 pages were to mock and annoy people who were actually trying to contribute. yes, theres a very VERY large difference between direct insults as "asshole" and showing a disrespectful attitude towards an opinion you do not understand and even more so when you are an accomplished member of this community i.e. a moderator (you can clearly see this in politics for example) and the only reaction i have seen on this matter has been that he edited the insult out of his post. this is in no parallel universe showing regret or apologizing. even now his last few posts in this thread have been about him justifying himself and trying to get his reputation back. therefore, yep, i dont care about what he thinks about his deeds or w/e. i would be happy for him if he regrets them but in the end hes just another random guy on the internet.
additionally i think the last page showed the nature of the rest of this board pretty well. as theres no moderation for trolls in this thread i shouldnt expect a bunch of circlejerking kiddos to be moderated amirite? adsolution army fighting!

Under the right context, possibly, as "asshole," "dumbass," "dipshit," and other insults along those lines, though vulgar, are fairly generic, and aren't really that offensive to your character unless you're a Christian curse-Nazi nun who whips small children for talking about boobies. Other, more personal, insults (not necessarily "bad words") can be much more offensive, since they effectively dehumanize the person in question.

okay. ill just leave that here for later laughs.

so, btt.
no, im not being pessimistic, im just trying to picture you how much there is on line with this discussion and how important it is for me that the people i care for in this game actually come to a consensus. and i think after the outburst some pages ago were finally on the way to that.

How about this suggestion: We make a column in the HoF for every glitch or glitch category. A column for launching glitches, a column for the Razoff glitch, a column for the IPG, a column for black lums glitches, a column for superjumps etc. That would increase transparency of the HoF without ostracizing or branding any players.

Thanks for the constructive suggestion. I'm very pleased to see you are ready to categorize all glitches and thus making them public for anyone to use. It could be a way to move forward and an important step in reaching a solution.

so yeah.. that was suggested weeks ago. we said a long time ago were fine with any kind of modification as long as the IPG is NOT TREATED SPECIFICALLY. do whatever you want with the hof. just do something. stop saying "might perhaps be a tiny step in the possibly right direction if we consider..". no. make suggestions or get on with the vote. im getting so tired of you dodging every reasonable idea. im also fine with the "publish every glitch and trick for a top10 score in this thread" by rolesfamily. thats how it should be anyways if we work together in the end.
i also want to add that superjumps and launching glitches are EXACTLY the same and should be treated and called the same. even the glidewalk is just a superjump whilst being in the standing animation. maybe understanding the nature of every glitch gamewise helps some of you to get along with them?

[Hunchman801]

for adsolution however i did definitely not feel the need to show any respect because the sole purpose of his posts on the last 20 pages were to mock and annoy people who were actually trying to contribute. yes, theres a very VERY large difference between direct insults as "asshole" and showing a disrespectful attitude towards an opinion you do not understand and even more so when you are an accomplished member of this community i.e. a moderator (you can clearly see this in politics for example) and the only reaction i have seen on this matter has been that he edited the insult out of his post. this is in no parallel universe showing regret or apologizing. even now his last few posts in this thread have been about him justifying himself and trying to get his reputation back. therefore, yep, i dont care about what he thinks about his deeds or w/e. i would be happy for him if he regrets them but in the end hes just another random guy on the internet.
additionally i think the last page showed the nature of the rest of this board pretty well. as theres no moderation for trolls in this thread i shouldnt expect a bunch of circlejerking kiddos to be moderated amirite? adsolution army fighting!

Under the right context, possibly, as "asshole," "dumbass," "dipshit," and other insults along those lines, though vulgar, are fairly generic, and aren't really that offensive to your character unless you're a Christian curse-Nazi nun who whips small children for talking about boobies. Other, more personal, insults (not necessarily "bad words") can be much more offensive, since they effectively dehumanize the person in question.

okay. ill just leave that here for later laughs.

Since you seem to be so much wiser and more intelligent than the “rest of the board”, to quote your own words, why don't you set an example for us contemptible idiots and leave this uninteresting, already resolved issue behind so that we can all move on to a constructive discussion and make some actual progress on the subject? I would also have expected someone of your level to show some respect to those who don't show any, but there again I should probably lower my expectations.

Now all back on topic, and don't make me say it twice.

[GOT4N]

PS3 - X360 - PC are not TASable.

[Cut]

PS3 - X360 - PC are not TASable.

Well then you would have to find a proper interim solution (maybe finding the level-score-variables and setting them down to 0 when your score reached around 90k to add "both" scores you achieved in the level finally for the "real" maximum score)

[Adsolution]

There exist key input sequencers, so I'd imagine that the PC version is completely TAS-able, just maybe in a less convenient and more labourous way than the GameCube (?) version. The PS3/360 versions as well, if you were to deconstruct a controller and wire up the inputs via arduino/MIDI, but that's even less convenient, but might make a cool project, especially seeing how that would allow you to rank #1 in the official leaderboards.

[Xenon]

What's an OG glitch? Sorry I'm not totally with it on the lingo here - I think the line should be drawn at the top 10. Because that's when it's getting pretty serious in terms of scoring. Otherwise who really cares if someone did a score of like 300k with a few glitches? - That wouldn't affect the HOF. Whereas if someone ranks 3rd using cheats(or whatever) then that's a different matter altogether.

Theoretically, it's a fantastic idea. But in practice, it's not really convenient to have to provide photographic documentation for score improvements in this region of the HOF (bearing in mind the combos will be some of the hardest in the game). I agree with sfn in that there does haave to be a certain degree of trust amongst us in order for the competition to operate most effectively. It sounds weird but it's true.

I was about to reply to a post made by Sajiki but it looks like he's deleted it.

@ everyone

So, are we all pretty much agreed that the glitch categories idea is the way forward from here?

I'm also in favour of as few descriptions as possible. Perhaps we could categorise them:

• Launching glitches (covers all launching glitches, superjumps etc.)
• Black Lums glitch
• IPG
• Razoff glitch

PLUS any miscellaneous glitches used in the game, if applicable (such as the one in CF, if that's significantly different?)

[Sajiki]

I was about to reply to a post made by Sajiki but it looks like he's deleted it.

i havent written anything since my last post on this page and that one is still there.. so im not quite sure what you mean.

[DTUCC]

I'm very much in favour of the suggestion to make as few glitch categories as possible. There's two things I'd like to adress before we can move on with the missing glitches. Videos are in the making at the moment.

1. "The Razoff Dungeon Glitch" has been mentioned earlier by cut. I believe this one is pretty borderline and I've talked to cut about his reasoning behind that, as I myself have not considered this to be a glitch at all (it just makes sense what's happening, i guess...) but he managed to convice me: had the mechanic of razoff not falling off his ball been intentional, i'm pretty sure it would work at every part of the edge. this is clearly not the case. it's not even working in any other particular spot of the dungeon at all. at first, our idea was that this was a safety measure implemented by the programmers so razoff wouldn't fall out of the stage, but even then, this mechanic should work at every part of the edge. i think that therefore it's a reasonable assumption that this is a glitch as well. if the majority of people doesn't think it's necessary to list it as a glitch, i don't really mind either, though.

2. what about the glidewalk? i believe this is actually a lot more important than what i've said about the dungeon glitch. it's been pointed out during the previous debate that version differences are already marked in the HoF. the glidewalk could be easily covered by another glitch category. furthermore, it doesn't take away skill nor creativity like the PC cheat does. i wouldn't mind adding the glidewalk to the competition under these circumstances, yet again i don't mind keeping it out either, although i would find it inconsistent.
on that note, i suggest we still keep the PC cheat out of the HoF. what do you think?

[Cut]

As I totally agree with CC's post, I would like to take up again sfn's suggestion of a RayWiki-article about all Glitches and Tricks in the game and implementing a link referring to it at the top of the HoF. There we could add every glitch we know which would be useful as for instance launching glitches are summarized into one category which does not help when nobody knows what launches are even meant by this category, also we could mention glitches/tricks which do not deserve an own category. One example would be the Knaaren Glitch as there is a legit (between gamers this means "glitch-free" but this word deceptive in context of this discussion) alternative due to MandM's passing-trick so we can't distinguish whether the glitch or the legit method is used by someone who got 14k after DOTK part 1. Roket's Glitch (as far as it's even a glitch) etc. would take place there either. Also I would suggest to link to the "Rayman 3 Scoring System" article at the top of the HoF either and replacing the "Report a Cheater" Link from the bottom to the top.

[sfn42]

I fully agree with what Xenon, CC and Cut have proposed. In order to proceed (with stuff like the article, videos etc.), though, we need a definitive commitment to this solution by everyone who has been deeply involved in this discussion. If anyone has any problems with what we've suggested and planned so far, please state them now. I'd like to avoid another scenario like the voting, which nobody complained about and everyone seemed to be fine with when we proposed it, but two days before the end of the vote, people started to complain about it.

[Sajiki]

such thread.. much activity.. wow.. very discussion..

[OCG]

Tell me about it. Best thread evah

[Cut]

we could have saved our breaths the last 6 weeks when I see now that no one of the claimants are showing interest when we are in the final stage of finding a solution. it's funny, actually, when you think about it. one day we will remember this and laugh... and laugh... and laugh... oh boy!