Rayman: Revenge of the Dark

[SpaceJoker]

Uhm... The magician will be a Teensie or a Raycreature?

[MisterDark'sFanClub]

Uhm... The magician will be a Teensie or a Raycreature?

The summary says he's a Teensie who uses magic to disguise himself as a Toon (my nickname for the limbless people) because he doesn't quite fit in with his own Teensie race. So he's both classic AND modern Magician.

Edit: @ Adsolution

So is Betilla Sr. the Betilla we know from the games? Or will that be Betilla Jr? Will it be like Betilla Sr. has limbs and Betilla Jr. is a Toon fairy? Or will Rayman and Raven be the only actual Toons in the game?

[incognito]

Spam.

Ly did she became Valérie ?

[Adsolution]

The summary says he's a Teensie who uses magic to disguise himself as a Toon (my nickname for the limbless people) because he doesn't quite fit in with his own Teensie race. So he's both classic AND modern Magician.

I'd avoid calling them by any made-up species name when referring to ROTD because if he's the only of his kind here, it doesn't seem appropriate to assign him such a name for his 'species', especially if that's a name already officially used to abbreviate electoons/antitoons.

That's essentially the gist with the Magician. He's an incredibly talented teensie with extraordinary magical capabilities, to the point where he can basically disguise himself using just his magic - one of his many tricks he uses as a performer. Though, his motivation for disguising himself as a limbless being is moreso his envy of Rayman, as before Rayman showed up, the Magician was supposed to be the Valley's hero. He doesn't trust Rayman, and while he truly wants what's best for the Valley, his want to simply spite Rayman through jealousy is just as powerful. So while he will almost solely appear as he does in Rayman 1 here, there is a scene or two where he's shown in his teensie form. He and Betilla (Sr) are also shown to be very close, which while not really focused on, is important for more than one reason in relating to both Rayman 2 and Origins/Legends, indirectly.

"Betilla Sr" is the Rayman 1 Betilla. All the nymphs who show up in Origins, including 'Betilla', are her daughters.

Ly did she became Valérie ?

Not sure I'm familiar with that term!

[Earth Gwee]

I'm still kinda wondering if Betilla and her daughters are supposed to play any sort of major role. And it may be just my bad memory, but I'm also wondering why Betilla would name one of her daughters after herself. And what if Betilla was around the same age as Ly (in terms of appearance) and her younger sisters appeared as toddlers?

[incognito]

Ly did she became Valérie ?

Not sure I'm familiar with that term!

Farcry reference

1 Builted with CryEngine

2On a an Island

[Adsolution]

@Gwee:

Don't worry, all your (and other team members') curiosities will be answered as soon as the overview script is done, it shouldn't be more than a week or two. Afterward, other work-in-progress design documents should be coming as well.


If I were to assign human ages to them just to make explaining their relative 'age' easier, then Betilla (Rayman 1) would be somewhere around 40-50, Ly would be around 18-23, and Betilla's nymph daughters around 1-3, the oldest being Betilla Jr, the only one who can speak yet. In terms of being people that Rayman doesn't directly encounter outside of the Dream Forest where he starts, Betilla and the Magician are the two main side-characters back home, and are probably given the most time aside from Rayman himself. During the periods in which you control the Magician, that plot thread is given ample time.

- I want to tell this side-story (which certainly does relate to the main plot) without stuffing in multiple lengthy cutscenes that continuously segway away from Rayman and the gameplay, so I figure a great solution would be to have a couple levels where you play as the Magician, so you can directly experience what's happening back in the Dream Forest. Additionally, I think the idea of playing as the Magician is damn cool.


The nymphs are only seen twice (or so), and Betilla is shown to be very protective over them, but there is one very prominent scene toward the end of the game where they're kidnapped and Rayman has to save them. Ly also plays an essential role near the end of the Magician's/Betilla's storyline in ROTD, but I'd rather not go too in-depth in public.

- Also, if at any point I said 'five daughters', then I'm an idiot and can't count, because there are clearly six nymphs.

Farcry reference

1 Builted with CryEngine

2On a an Island

Oh. I've played through Far Cry many times of course, I just missed the Valérie... 'comparison'.

[incognito]

I finished Farcry a month ago. Nice game.

[MisterDark'sFanClub]

@ Adsolution: Wait a bloody Glade/Valley minute. So the Magician is almost evil here? Or just jealous? Is he jealous because Rayman's the real hero?

By the way, I'm writing a fanfiction where Toons are the name of Rayman's race. So calling them Toons is a force of habit (and it's technically an abbreviation of Protoon).

[Adsolution]

@ Adsolution: Wait a bloody Glade/Valley minute. So the Magician is almost evil here? Or just jealous? Is he jealous because Rayman's the real hero?

Almost evil, yep. And yep.

[Bionichute]

I have a slightly better idea for the Magician levels. How about, instead of interrupting the flow of Rayman's quest, the Magician levels are made as secret bonus levels you get by fully completing certain levels? Kinda like the bonus levels Ly gives you for collecting stuff in Rayman Revolution? That way it wouldn't interrupt the main flow of the story, while still remaining there for people who want to fully complete the game and experience the full story.

Also, I'm glad to see the story's coming along, but what about that website?

[Adsolution]

I actually had something exactly like that in mind! While the levels would progress like they do in Rayman 3, where it simply loads one level after the next. In between each, you'll receive a prompt first that asks you if you wish to save and/or return to the Memory Realm (hub area), as well as notify you of new unlocks such as the Magician levels. I have it in such a way so that while it reveals a considerable amount more of the story and ties things together, it's not quintessential to the main plot, though does relate to some things that do happen in levels. If you didn't play them along the way, for instance, everything happening would be solely from Rayman's perspective, which doesn't make things quite as interesting, but could be good depending on how you feel like experiencing the story.

As for the website, it takes the backseat to some more important matters, such as the primary camera system (which I just finished), and a few more gameplay mechanics, the current one in production being where Rayman, instead of flicking instantly to the pressed direction, will rotate to face the direction, like in the actual games. It's a simple thing that should be done very quickly, but what we're mainly having trouble with is the helicopter, simply because we're trying to integrate it as a state (CryEngine terminology), the documentation for which is severely lacking, resulting in it basically being trial and error.

I don't have much experience in web design myself, aside from HTML and some very basic CSS, but I'll fuck around in Dreamweaver and see if I can come up with something while the game programmer's busy working on these mechanics.

[Plejadenwolf]

I'd never considered the idea of Dark Rayman possibly having a thing for Raven, however, I think in concurrence with the way the story currently plays out, if he did, that could possibly just happen to make one of the current final scenes in the game actually very impactful and emotional, which I'm all for; it's not contrived or love-based either, because that isn't even how it was originally intended. But of course if these things were to exist, they would be left up to mere allusions, as I don't favour the idea of resorting to fanfiction-esque clichés, at least not explicitly.

Though it WOULD make sense if Dark Rayman had a crush on Raven; he's the dark epitome of Rayman. So if Rayman is in LOVE with Raven, then Dark Rayman would LUST after her; having all of Raymans bad attributes and all.

Very interesting point you mentioned here. Well, I think when Mr. Dark created Dark Rayman he really wanted him to be the absolute evil, someone who can hold up with Rayman which is only possible in making an evil clone of him. But because he is Rayman's dark alter ego there may be the slight possibility that he shares more independence from Mr. Dark's original plans than he originally wanted. At first he just wanted to create him to destroy Rayman, conquer the Glade of Dreams and then may get rid of him. Because of the spell Mr. Dark which gets himself deceased, Dark Rayman gains the possibility of developing an own personality, an own will which is overshadowed by the original intentions coming from his "father". I think there is much much interesting potential for this character, his inner intentions are ripped apart. On the one side he may refers to Mr. Dark as his creator and father as is Betilla the mother of Rayman. He wants to fulfill his original plans, his very own destiny.
On the other side he may get the clue that he was only a tool for domination which could be more introduced during the progress of the game. He thinks about things going on in Glade of Dreams, wandering around, observing the social life of the Glade's inhabitants (for example seeing friendship which he doesn't understand at first because he was only aware of using others to fulfill his own intentions, not aware of being a tool himself of a shadowing someone who doesn't exist anymore). It's a little bit like the Darth Vader and Emperor relationship some kind of.
He may be able to control the powers of darkness but is he absolutely dark in his very own personality, especially as a per se clone of Rayman who may have dark corners in his mind...? It's about that nightmares are not absolute, and even good dreams may turn into bad ones like clouds may turn into a thunderstorm and vice versa. Just think about the famous symbol of Yin and Yang: In every of the both dualist forces there is a spark of the other. This is where Raven comes into the game. She activates the spark into Dark Rayman's personality thus changing his inner forced bad motivations into something much more. This could lead up to an interesting story epilogue where Dark Rayman is captured in the mountain fortress of the Resistance where Raven gets into more contact with him showing a little bit of compassion for him. It's an idea I posted some time before which only gives an example how it could be:

I recently thought about a secret hiding place from Ly's resistance party on and into a mountain, a mixture between those cliffy terrains with all those tunnels and wooden footbridges seen in Rayman 2 and the mountain levels in Rayman 1. A place where you can see the sunset in the evening, the stars in the night and the wide horizon of Rayman's world in all it's glory.
I thought about Dark Rayman being faint, captured and brought to this place in the end. With some time he gets more and more interested in Raven and it becomes a some-kind-of Han-Leia-Luke-relationship (Star Wars) between Rayman, Dark Rayman and Raven. After some time, Rayman gets more interested in Ly up to the relationship we see in Rayman 2 (some kind of semi-romantic). In comparison to Rayman Dark Rayman could be similar to what Shadow is in comparison to Sonic the Hedgehog. He thinks more in philosophical terms and ways and always thinks about things going around in the world like: "When Polokus has bad dreams and wants them to get vanished, what role am I supposed to be in this world? Am I an undesirable, alien element in this world or am I a reincarnation of a long last dream, condemned for a destiny which is more or less inescapable?" Rayman is more the happy and joyful character as we all know him from the previous games and his Dark twin is some kind like the missing-link of his character. I imagine both Raven and Dark Rayman sitting on a tree branch on top of the described mountain, watching the world and the sunset (similar to one of those famous paintings from Caspar David Friedrich). Some kind of a happy end up to the moment when the first invaders of Razorbeards armada arrive to this place.

When Dark Rayman is arrested and powerless similar to what Rayman is in the beginning of Rayman 2 he – of course – wants to escape and waits for the right moment to do just that. The Resistance consisting of Rayman, Ly and the others are discussing what to do with him except Raven because she wants to get a little rest, sitting on a tree branch, enjoying the renewed beautyness of the Glade of Dreams. (Maybe the tree get's the name Raven's Oak because it's one of her new favorite places and it sounds cool.)
As he gets out of his cell, sneaking for a good place to escape, he sees Raven sitting on the tree wondering what she is doing there. Raven detects him and gets a little bit of panic but because Dark Rayman is powerless he isn't a danger either. Instead of attacking Raven he does the unimaginable: He just sits down on Raven's tree branch, saying that he won't hurt her and so on and so on.

As the rest notes that Dark Rayman is escaped they hurry up to Raven but they note that there is something going on between those two. They don't fight, they just sit there which is very uncommon for the absolute evil twin of Rayman.

The group can't understand Raven's decision and there is much dissension about what to do next because, well, he is the enemy or...was. Who knows?

This just floated into my imagination, it may not be perfect but maybe it helps for some other good ideas.

The summary says he's a Teensie who uses magic to disguise himself as a Toon (my nickname for the limbless people) because he doesn't quite fit in with his own Teensie race. So he's both classic AND modern Magician.

I'd avoid calling them by any made-up species name when referring to ROTD because if he's the only of his kind here, it doesn't seem appropriate to assign him such a name for his 'species', especially if that's a name already officially used to abbreviate electoons/antitoons.

That's essentially the gist with the Magician. He's an incredibly talented teensie with extraordinary magical capabilities, to the point where he can basically disguise himself using just his magic - one of his many tricks he uses as a performer. Though, his motivation for disguising himself as a limbless being is moreso his envy of Rayman, as before Rayman showed up, the Magician was supposed to be the Valley's hero. He doesn't trust Rayman, and while he truly wants what's best for the Valley, his want to simply spite Rayman through jealousy is just as powerful. So while he will almost solely appear as he does in Rayman 1 here, there is a scene or two where he's shown in his teensie form. He and Betilla (Sr) are also shown to be very close, which while not really focused on, is important for more than one reason in relating to both Rayman 2 and Origins/Legends, indirectly.

"Betilla Sr" is the Rayman 1 Betilla. All the nymphs who show up in Origins, including 'Betilla', are her daughters.

Ly did she became Valérie ?

Not sure I'm familiar with that term!

Hm, but isn't there the problem that in this case Rayman has 2 mothers? In both Rayman 1 and Origins it's said that Betilla is the mother of Rayman so this could lead up to a slight twist even if in Rayman 1 it was only said in the manual when my mind doesn't got that wrong. There is the in-universe question to solve why Betilla looks not like in Rayman 1. Not easy but the way mentioned above is maybe the best and easiest to answer this question even if I dislike the idea that Betilla has a daughter named after her. Hm, or maybe a spell of Polokus which turned Betilla into this specific form for a specific purpose (Guardian of the Protoon) which was no longer necessary or she just changes form like the Magician does.

As for the Magician I always prefer his limbless form and I really hope that this may be his true form because otherwise he's just another Teensie and there are just to much of them in Origins and Legends at least for my taste. Maybe he got the Teensie form as penalization for beeing jealous or something. Of course there may be other explanations, too. Who knows about the mind of all that shapeshifters?

[Adsolution]

Because of the spell Mr. Dark which gets himself deceased, Dark Rayman gains the possibility of developing an own personality, an own will which is overshadowed by the original intentions coming from his "father". I think there is much much interesting potential for this character, his inner intentions are ripped apart.

On the other side he may get the clue that he was only a tool for domination which could be more introduced during the progress of the game.

Both of these things I actually had in mind already, quite precisely too!

This is where Raven comes into the game. She activates the spark into Dark Rayman's personality thus changing his inner forced bad motivations into something much more.

I really like this. I initially hadn't considered any kind of character relation between Raven and Dark Rayman at all, but since you've brought it up, I've been entranced with the idea, especially this one in particular.

This could lead up to an interesting story epilogue where Dark Rayman is captured in the mountain fortress of the Resistance where Raven gets into more contact with him showing a little bit of compassion for him. It's an idea I posted some time before which only gives an example how it could be:

[quote="Plejadenwolf"]I recently thought about a secret hiding place from Ly's resistance party on and into a mountain, a mixture between those cliffy terrains with all those tunnels and wooden footbridges seen in Rayman 2 and the mountain levels in Rayman 1. A place where you can see the sunset in the evening, the stars in the night and the wide horizon of Rayman's world in all it's glory.
I thought about Dark Rayman being faint, captured and brought to this place in the end. With some time he gets more and more interested in Raven and it becomes a some-kind-of Han-Leia-Luke-relationship (Star Wars) between Rayman, Dark Rayman and Raven. After some time, Rayman gets more interested in Ly up to the relationship we see in Rayman 2 (some kind of semi-romantic). In comparison to Rayman Dark Rayman could be similar to what Shadow is in comparison to Sonic the Hedgehog. He thinks more in philosophical terms and ways and always thinks about things going around in the world like: "When Polokus has bad dreams and wants them to get vanished, what role am I supposed to be in this world? Am I an undesirable, alien element in this world or am I a reincarnation of a long last dream, condemned for a destiny which is more or less inescapable?" Rayman is more the happy and joyful character as we all know him from the previous games and his Dark twin is some kind like the missing-link of his character. I imagine both Raven and Dark Rayman sitting on a tree branch on top of the described mountain, watching the world and the sunset (similar to one of those famous paintings from Caspar David Friedrich). Some kind of a happy end up to the moment when the first invaders of Razorbeards armada arrive to this place.

When Dark Rayman is arrested and powerless similar to what Rayman is in the beginning of Rayman 2 he – of course – wants to escape and waits for the right moment to do just that. The Resistance consisting of Rayman, Ly and the others are discussing what to do with him except Raven because she wants to get a little rest, sitting on a tree branch, enjoying the renewed beautyness of the Glade of Dreams. (Maybe the tree get's the name Raven's Oak because it's one of her new favorite places and it sounds cool.)
As he gets out of his cell, sneaking for a good place to escape, he sees Raven sitting on the tree wondering what she is doing there. Raven detects him and gets a little bit of panic but because Dark Rayman is powerless he isn't a danger either. Instead of attacking Raven he does the unimaginable: He just sits down on Raven's tree branch, saying that he won't hurt her and so on and so on.

As the rest notes that Dark Rayman is escaped they hurry up to Raven but they note that there is something going on between those two. They don't fight, they just sit there which is very uncommon for the absolute evil twin of Rayman.

The group can't understand Raven's decision and there is much dissension about what to do next because, well, he is the enemy or...was. Who knows?[/size][/quote]Interesting, but iffy. With the way the story currently ends, this wouldn't be possible, but hypothetically, if one (major, but non-aesthetic) modification is made to your concept, it could. I don't want to speak about it in public though. From the amount of good ideas that you in particular have presented me that I want to actually integrate into the game, I will likely, in the near future, add you to the ROTD Dev Team group here on RPC as a writer. If you're okay with that, of course. I can also share with you the overview script in its current form once it's complete (quite soon), if you accept.

Hm, but isn't there the problem that in this case Rayman has 2 mothers? In both Rayman 1 and Origins it's said that Betilla is the mother of Rayman so this could lead up to a slight twist even if in Rayman 1 it was only said in the manual when my mind doesn't got that wrong.

Is that so? I don't recall anything ever stating that Betilla was Rayman's creator in Rayman 1, but maybe I'm just forgetting something. As for Origins' story, it's been changed so many times that I don't know if they intend for her to be Rayman's creator or not. As such, I'm siding with the Rayman 2 explanation, where his origin is unknown (this isn't to rule out the possibility of Betilla actually being his creator, it's just to shove it aside).

As for the Magician I always prefer his limbless form and I really hope that this may be his true form because otherwise he's just another Teensie and there are just to much of them in Origins and Legends at least for my taste. Maybe he got the Teensie form as penalization for beeing jealous or something. Of course there may be other explanations, too. Who knows about the mind of all that shapeshifters?

His true form is a teensie in ROTD, because Rayman (and Raven) are the only known limbless people around. They're mysterious, and that's important. Having the Magician be limbless in reality would sort of poop that.

[Plejadenwolf]

Interesting, but iffy. With the way the story currently ends, this wouldn't be possible, but hypothetically, if one (major, but non-aesthetic) modification is made to your concept, it could. I don't want to speak about it in public though. From the amount of good ideas that you in particular have presented me that I want to actually integrate into the game, I will likely, in the near future, add you to the ROTD Dev Team group here on RPC as a writer. If you're okay with that, of course. I can also share with you the overview script in its current form once it's complete (quite soon), if you accept.

It would be an honor, thank's a lot for this offer. I'm very interested in reading the overview script in particular.

I recently thought about the connection between the evil Dark Rayman in Legends which might do a twist to this concept. For me Rayvenge (or Raymesis) never was Dark Rayman but a whole new character who is similar to Dark Rayman. As for the Dark Rayman in Legends I would suggest that he isn't the original one appearing but more or less a dark spell called "Shadow of the Past" which transfers a virtual portrayal of Dark Rayman's consciousness as it is when he first appears in Candy Land. In this child form state his mind is reduced to his drive to destroy Rayman as Mr. Dark originally wanted, like a light which keeps him alive. If this light expires he is "redeemed" but he is not aware that this will annihilate him, too. He may later learn that there are other ways to be redeemed and other ways of expiring this inner death thrive. With his beginning thrives of personality it's similar to that scene in the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy here.
In this state, just born from a spell, he isn't aware of himself and can't differ between outer movement and inner motivations, he does not understand what he does but he knows that he has to do just that because it's there. Some stuff for philosophical thoughts I think and yeah, even Dark Rayman may have been a baby some kind off.

As for the Magician who, as we all know, is a great fan of Mr. Dark he wanted to overthrow him with a new Dark Rayman who does his job right. He reminds the spell of his role model in Candy Land which seemed ingenious for him and his world domination plans. But because he isn't as powerful as Mr. Dark in sorcery and even some of the nightmare creatures don't see him as a leader figure (the Magician may be the source of the chaos in Legends but that does not mean that he is in full control of everything going around) and couldn't do it all alone he is heavily offended in his pride and just uses a modified virtual portrayal consisting of dark matter which only works temporary but is more agile, aggressive and hurts all the good guys. He wanted to show the world that he is capable of doing all that kind of stuff like his hero and mentor but in fact it is only a trick to hide the truth. He isn't that powerful at all but it just looks like that. Think about the clones of himself, it's similar to that.

This solves many problems in my opinion:

1. It fits perfectly with the character of the Magician and his way of doing things and it adds some background information to Origins and especially Legends.

2. There is place for character development of Dark Rayman in 1.5 which doesn't stand in the way with the original canonicity.

3. It doesn't make Dark Rayman in Legends a whole new character which would make it look dull. Instead he is the badassery guy we all know and love (or hate) from the beginning but just as temporal physical representation to hide the incapacity of our little slob the Magician, the master of illusions.

Just some slight thoughts which I hope maybe help to make a bridge between Origins/Legends and the storyline of Rayman 1 up to 3.

Edit:

His true form is a teensie in ROTD, because Rayman (and Raven) are the only known limbless people around. They're mysterious, and that's important. Having the Magician be limbless in reality would sort of poop that.

Yah, definitely this. I very much agree that it's very important to hold up that mystery. It's similar to what species Yoda from Star Wars belongs, unknown up to today. It's especially great for the own imagination, you can think about who they may be and from what mysterious land they may come from.

As for the Magician I think as Teensie it fits better with his overall personality. And beside that we just have a very powerful limbless antagonist, so there's no need for another one. It's just that i like his original form a little bit more.

I think it's important that the main specialty of the Magician is deception and illusion. When you think about it, it's the way he handles things. He's a trickster. At first he seemed like the good guy helping and giving advice to Rayman, then it's clear that he is the source of all that what happens in Origins. Then in Legends he multiplies himself, also a way of illusion and trickery. And wandering around in limbless form is another way of that. Additionally it is indirectly related to Mr. Dark's appearance. I mean technically he's a living cape, a phantom. As a hint it fits quite well I suppose.

[Shrooblord]

Plejadenwolf, your ideas are incredible! I enjoyed the idea you had about the love counterpart for Dark Rayman a lot - it shows that someone's character, although flawed, may still be mended by the touch of love (right?). Beautiful.

Ad, I had no idea the Magician and Betilla subplots were so involved - I'm respecting your design ideas more and more!

[Plejadenwolf]

Plejadenwolf, your ideas are incredible!

Hey, thanks a lot. That means much to me.

I enjoyed the idea you had about the love counterpart for Dark Rayman a lot - it shows that someone's character, although flawed, may still be mended by the touch of love (right?). Beautiful.

I think another interesting point within all this is, that it shows some parallels to the development of the Magician's personality. Where Dark Rayman turns from the super-evil antagonist into an anti-hero who may stay in control of darkness (similar to Cynder in the Legend of Spyro-series) and at last may use it for another purpose as originally intended, the Magician turns from the great hero of the Glade into jealously which lastly turns into antagonism (especially against Polokus). He's a bit of his own since the beginning as he takes Tings for opening secret levels and barely giving advice without taking something from the hero. Additionally to that, he was replaced from Poloku's pawn Murfy which made him even more angrier against the one hedonistic god who doesn't care about the lurking nightmares. On top of that Polokus' may have given him the Book of Knowledge once stolen by Mr Dark to help Murfy doing his job and so Ales didn't have a duty in the Glade of Dreams anymore. Betilla as protector, Rayman as hero and Murfy as advisor, no need for someone with incredible magic powers. Polokus' wanted to do him a favor but just forgot to give him a new job, he was now free of duty. The Magician vanished, secretly making his very own plans over the years. But even in his later years he doesn't seem to have noticed that even as many copies he makes of himself they can't obliterate the failures he has done or changing his inner sorrows of being replaced by someone else. They are just magic copies of himself with all the same vice within them. It doesn't make him better. This is what holds him up being the evil guy, he forgot about what friendship is and how it really works repeating all his mistakes coming out from his disturbed personality all over again. So in my humble opinion his career is a mixture of unhappy and unfortunate situations which came all together making the person we now know as the Magician in Origins and Legends. I hope I don't flood you with my thoughts, it's just a little concept of my recent thoughts about him which could make a good parallel to the development of Dark Rayman.


Edit:

Hm, but isn't there the problem that in this case Rayman has 2 mothers? In both Rayman 1 and Origins it's said that Betilla is the mother of Rayman so this could lead up to a slight twist even if in Rayman 1 it was only said in the manual when my mind doesn't got that wrong.

Is that so? I don't recall anything ever stating that Betilla was Rayman's creator in Rayman 1, but maybe I'm just forgetting something. As for Origins' story, it's been changed so many times that I don't know if they intend for her to be Rayman's creator or not. As such, I'm siding with the Rayman 2 explanation, where his origin is unknown (this isn't to rule out the possibility of Betilla actually being his creator, it's just to shove it aside).

I just checked the manual from the gog.com version of the game but I've found nothing important about that in there. The manual of my PS1 version is no more, so I just guess that I was wrong and mixed it up with the Origins-version. And you're right, the Rayman 2 explanation seems the most appropriate one and it keeps the mystery part.

[BzzitTheMoskito]

I emerge from my absent.
Wow the progress, while not shown, but told, is big since I was on RPC the last time. Also Im sorry for my absent, I have just steered away from RPC for a while.
Great job.

[Master]

Well, it has been a while BTM, how've you been?

[BzzitTheMoskito]

I've been fine, thanks. Nothing special have been happening during my absence, just steered a little away from RPC.

Although I have been been on sometime just not logged on.