Rayman 3 Minimums!

[Maz]

I replayed FC today, and managed to improve (?) my Score.

After Part 1: 0
After Part 2: 10
After Part 3: 200
After Part 4: 490
After Part 5: 490

Unless you use Glitches, I guess that's pretty much as low as you can get.

[1234]

I'm shocked this topic hasn't been locked yet. Most of my ones are after the third page.

Gratulations, now that´s the fourth page (and i guess, it will be much more)

After Part 1: 0
After Part 2: 10
After Part 3: 200
After Part 4: 490
After Part 5: 490

Unless you use Glitches, I guess that's pretty much as low as you can get.

Well done Maz (and WeshKanapesh in LS)
I think, that you could get some other points less without using glitches (except, if you call following a glitch) : You have to lower all necessary mushrooms in the last moment and you´ll get only 10 points instead of 20.

I finished also the other levels:

SBTC:
after part 1: 1050 points
after part 2: 2190 points
after part 3: 2260 points

HH:
after part 1: 510 points
after part 2: 1040 points
after part 3: 1770 points
after part 4: 4770 points
after part 5: 4860 points

TOTL:
after part 1: 20 points
after part 2: 1240 points
after part 3: 5470 points
after part 4: 6970 points

In TOTL part 3 i didn´t kill all Hoodflyers so that the combo won´t be too long. The lost points (20 or 30) i took intentionally in another part, i hope that´s allowed!?
What are actually the rules? So, what glitches are allowed/prohibited? And may you lose points, in case you´ll take them later by Intention (e.g. you´ll lose 10 points, in return you´ll take a yellow gem)?
Maybe i´ll use some glitches next time, but i´m not sure...
By the way, could someone explain me, how a GW works? What keys do i have to press?

[iHeckler9]

SBTC:
after part 1: 1050 points
after part 2: 2190 points
after part 3: 2260 points

Was this at the end or as soon as you got on the board?

What are actually the rules? So, what glitches are allowed/prohibited? And may you lose points, in case you´ll take them later by Intention (e.g. you´ll lose 10 points, in return you´ll take a yellow gem)?
Maybe i´ll use some glitches next time, but i´m not sure...

...you mean you did all that WITHOUT GLITCHES!? I'm jealous and impressed.
I think I should post rules because everyone seems to be asking for them.
I just need to think of them first
EDIT: There'd be no point. You can glitch if you want to, if you want to gain points on purpose then go for it but it's pointless otherwise.

By the way, could someone explain me, how a GW works? What keys do i have to press?

I have no idea what a GW is.

[GOT4N]

GW is a glitch abbreivated "Glidewalk" I discovered on Rayman 3, all is explained here: https://raymanpc.com/wiki/en/Speedrunning#Glidewalk

[1234]

Was this at the end or as soon as you got on the board?

2260 points is the end score. So i started part 3 with 2190 and after killing the slapdash (the beginning of snowboarding) i had 2220 --> i took 40 points while snowboarding.

...you mean you did all that WITHOUT GLITCHES!? I'm jealous and impressed.
I think I should post rules because everyone seems to be asking for them.
I just need to think of them first

Thanks.

EDIT: There'd be no point. You can glitch if you want to, if you want to gain points on purpose then go for it but it's pointless otherwise.

So every glitch is allowed to use? If you want so, then it´s ok for me, but i think glitches like the PCM could be prohibited (playable camera mode (this glitch has the effect of the IPG "infinitive powerup glitch" and -as far as i know- you can activate it in each part, so e.g. in BOM part 1 you can activate the glitch, take the yellow can and helicopter to the end of the level, so i guess, this would make some levels senseless.))

GW is a glitch abbreivated "Glidewalk" I discovered on Rayman 3, all is explained here: https://raymanpc.com/wiki/en/Speedrunning#Glidewalk

Thanks. Could you also tell me a good place for trying it, please.

[GOT4N]

Was this at the end or as soon as you got on the board?

2260 points is the end score. So i started part 3 with 2190 and after killing the slapdash (the beginning of snowboarding) i had 2220 --> i took 40 points while snowboarding.

...you mean you did all that WITHOUT GLITCHES!? I'm jealous and impressed.
I think I should post rules because everyone seems to be asking for them.
I just need to think of them first

Thanks.

EDIT: There'd be no point. You can glitch if you want to, if you want to gain points on purpose then go for it but it's pointless otherwise.

So every glitch is allowed to use? If you want so, then it´s ok for me, but i think glitches like the PCM could be prohibited (playable camera mode (this glitch has the effect of the IPG "infinitive powerup glitch" and -as far as i know- you can activate it in each part, so e.g. in BOM part 1 you can activate the glitch, take the yellow can and helicopter to the end of the level, so i guess, this would make some levels senseless.))

GW is a glitch abbreivated "Glidewalk" I discovered on Rayman 3, all is explained here: https://raymanpc.com/wiki/en/Speedrunning#Glidewalk

Thanks. Could you also tell me a good place for trying it, please.

PC Version? If yes, ask RibShark, he is experienced with PC Glidewalks.

[Maz]

So, what about dem rules, Heckler?

[iHeckler9]

Can I get a list of all the glitches that can be pulled off in each level? I feel like I'm at a loss because I powered through the game without using a single one, whereas you all seem to know it like the back of your hand.

[Maz]

I'll try to tell you about the relevant ones (since there's no need to list the ones which don't help you avoid taking Points); sadly I have no videos on them:


FC:

Part 1: -

Part 2: -

Part 3: There's 2 Glitches here: One, after you got off the first platform (meaning you now stand in front of the entrance to the room with the Pigs), you can stand on one of the ledges, and roll towards the other one. You will then get launched into the air, and go through the roof. This saves 50 Points because you won't have to break the Piggybanks. Then, there's also a Glidewalk in the room with André, which saves 140 Points as far as I know.

Part 4: In the Fairy-Hole-Room, there's this Glitch where you pull a Glidewalk on a trampoline. Don't know how many Points that saves. Also, in the final room, if you roll from the platform with the Vortex on it towards the one to the right, you can get an SJ launching you to the upper level. Should estimatedly save 40 - 60 Points.

Part 5: -

Part 6: -


CF:

Part 1: You can trigger a Launching Glitch by rolling on the stairs (which can be seen in the video Got4n linked), and another one in the room with the second Cage (also to be seen in said video). This lets you finish Part 1 with only 100 Points.

Part 2: You can use an SJ on the wooden pathway in the first room, and then go through the wall, and land in the river area. in the final room, you can perform a roll on a Piggybank, and enter the final room without having to break the Wooden Door. I think the whole Part can be finished without getting a single Points this way.

Part 3: In the first room, there's a Glidewalk to skip this room. I don't know whether it saves Points though, because you might have to kill the Hoodmonger anyway. In the second area, there's the Mushroom-Trick (which is explained in the new CF-Walkthrough on the Scores-Topic), which means that you don't have to kill all those Hoodlums.

Part 4: When standing in front of the hole next to the Cage while facing the Cage, you can trigger a Launching Glitch by rolling towards said Cage. If you get launched high enough, you can skip the battle against Master Kaag. Avoids several thousands of Points.

Part 5: -

Part 6: -


BOM:

Part 1: You can use a PCM here (Playable Camrea-Mode?). To do that on PC, press the Photo-Button while the Loading Screen is on, and it allows you to skipp the fight with Begoniax, and end the Part without any Points.

Part 2: On the platform with the Hoodlock, you can roll on the edge to get launched onto the upper floor. All that's left to do is to kill the Hoodlock in this Part.

Part 3: -

Part 4: You can perform an SJ in the room with the Green Gem. To do so, jump out of the water, and roll towards the muhsroom while jumping upwards. If done correctly, you can reach the next area without having to kill all the Hoodlums.

Part 5: Go up the stairs, to the left, hit Razoff 4 times, and leave the room through the exit. Here, one can use a Glidewalk to reach a spot behind the closed gate. In consequence, you won't have to defeat Razoff here.

Part 6: -


LOTLD:

Part 1: In the final room, you can perform a roll on one of the Piggybanks on the upper floor. If you get launched high enough, you'll be able to skip the Wooden Door. This Part can presumably be finished with 0 Points.

Part 2: The Water-Glitch; right at the beginning, strafe backwards to an edge, and activate the Look-Mode as soon as you're about to fall into the water. You'll be able to swim through the land, and pass everything until you reach the final room. This Part can be finished with 0 Points this way.

Part 3: On the platform with 4 Yellow Gems and one Red Gem on it, you can trigger a Glidewalk to get over the closed gate.

Part 4: Another Water-Glitch. Use it to skip everything in this room.

Part 5: -

Part 6: -


DOTK:

Part 1: Once you fall down the hole, you can activate a Glidewalk. You can go through one of the walls, and reach the end of the level. This lets you finish this Part without any Points.

Part 2: -

Part 3: -

Part 4: -

Part 5: -

Part 6: You can roll on one of the obstacles (forgot which one) to get launched onto the Mushroom without having to screw it down.

Part 7: You can roll on the edge of one of the huge bones next to the Wooden Door to get thrown into the air, and pass the Wooden Door that way. Also, it's possible to let yourself get hit by a grenade from the Hoodbooms in the next room while jumping, and get launched onto the boxes, which lets you skip the whole Part without finishing off one single Hoodlum.

Part 8: -


LS: Got4n has a video on that. Unless a way to get a negative amount of Points is found, his game was pretty much perfect.


SBTC:

Part 1: -

Part 2: First of all, you can use a PCM here. As soon as you get the first Throttle Copter, helicopter towards the floow with the 2 Snowmen on it. Follow the path, and use one of the crates to trigger a Glidewalk, and pass the Wooden Door. In the next area, you can perform a Glidewalk yet again to reach this level's exit without having to obtain a Lockjaw.

Part 3: -


HH:

Part 1: Glidewalk right off the bat. Use one of the boxes at the very beginning to trigger it, and get over the closed gate.

Part 2: In the final room, you can kill the Elite Monger, and then use his stand to perform an SJ. If you get launched up high enough, you'll be able to land at the end of the level.

Part 3: -

Part 4: You can use a Glidewalk in the room of the Hoorible Machine to skip the Boss-Battle.

Part 5: -


TOTL:

Part 1: If you managed to perform an SJ at the top of the Pillar-Room, you'd be able to pass the Wooden Door, thus allowing you to finish this Part without getting any Points.

Part 2: You can trigger an IPG after killing the Lavicraft, but I can't really be bothered all that's needed to trigger it. Either way, after successfully triggering the IPG, equip one of the Throttle Copters, and just fly to the end of the Part.

Part 3: In one room, you'll be able to go through the wall, and skip all the rooms to follow (the second Hoodflyer-Room included).

Part 4: -

Part 5: -


A few notes:

[1] - I'm not an expert on Glitches, so some might be missing.

[2] - PCMs and Glidewalks might not work on PC.

[3] - As previously stated, I left out the irrelevant crap which doesn't help you avoid getting Points.

[iHeckler9]

Interesting. Mind if I move that to the first page?

And speaking of first page, while looking at GOT4N's YouTube channel I noticed he has beaten 1234's score of 5200 on the Bog of Murk by an impressive 1000 points.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6UvFfJnDX0s
4486! I'll amend the front page with that info at least.

Also 1234's impressive 4620 on LOTL was trumped by GOT4N again with 2720.

Is anyone else going to try and beat this? Or am I beating a dead horse here?

[GOT4N]

Interesting. Mind if I move that to the first page?

And speaking of first page, while looking at GOT4N's YouTube channel I noticed he has beaten 1234's score of 5200 on the Bog of Murk by an impressive 1000 points.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6UvFfJnDX0s
4486! I'll amend the front page with that info at least.

Also 1234's impressive 4620 on LOTL was trumped by GOT4N again with 2720.

Is anyone else going to try and beat this? Or am I beating a dead horse here?

It's beatable of course It's a TAS so I was going for fastest time, it's going to go more down

[1234]

Recently i replayed the first two levels and i could "improve" my score by a little bit, but i used some glitches.

FC:
after part 1: 0 points
after part 2: 0 points
after part 3: 120 points
after part 4: 170 points
after part 5: 170 points

CF:
after part 1: 100 points
after part 2: 110 points
after part 3: 210 points
after part 4: 210 points
after part 5: 210 points

There is still much to "improve", but i´m not really good at using glitches.

@iHeckler9: Do you really want to allow all glitches? I mean, e.g. the PCM does reset all your points at the beginning of the level (as far as i know). That would allow you to play all parts except of the last extremly bad, because you could simply activate the glitch at the last part and your points will be zero.
Like Maz, i also don´t know, whether all GWs are possible on PC. I think, that on PC you can only activate this glitch in certain fixed camera places and that would be a disadvantage for some players.
If you want to allow all glitches it´s ok for me, but maybe you should think a little bit about it.

[iHeckler9]

Remind me what a PCM is cos I keep forgetting
Also you have now knocked Maz off the leaderboard.

[1234]

Also you have now knocked Maz off the leaderboard.

Yes, but only because this time i used some glitches.

Remind me what a PCM is cos I keep forgetting

PCM = Playable Camera Mode. You can activate the glitch by entering the snapshot mode at the end of the loading Screen or after breaking a cage the first time. This glitch has several effects. The effect, what is useful for avoiding points, is, that powerups won´t run out. So you can take a yellow can and helicopter to the end of the level, how you can see here (2:05):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6UvFfJnDX0s

Another effect is, that your points will be reset. That you can see in this video (56:10): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFc9oPuZFFM

[Maz]

The PCM doesn't actually reset the Score. If you start a new part, take a close look at the counter: It will start at "00000", and then change to your previously reached Score. What the PCM does is basically breaking the game, and thus stopping the counter from going up in the start. Once the part is finished though, you'll be back to your old Score.

So, Gotan's Score counting means that Glitches are allowed then, I guess?

[1234]

Oh, yes, you´re right. I never played with the PCM and i also only looked at the second part of SBTC in the video, but not at the third.
Thanks for correcting me!
So you might forget the last point about the PCM, iHeckler9. Sorry for that mistake.

Well, what glitches are allowed/banned now?

[iHeckler9]

Let's say every glitch is allowed. "What would be the absolute minimum for each level" is the question I'm trying to answer.

[1234]

I think it´s platform dependend. As i said, to my knowledge the GW doesn´t work completely on PC (only in some special areas) and the PCM also shouldn´t work for GC as i read.
I have no idea, what the minimum is. At first i´m not a glitch expert and then i also never tried seriously to avoid points (except of FC and CF recently). Anyway, i can tell you the lowest achievable scores i know, but probably they are not the minimum, so there will be some errrors.

(The first number is for those, who can perform all GWs and PCMs, the right number for those, who can perform only some GWs in fixed camera places and for those, who can´t use PCMs.)

FC (after part 5): 50 points or less - 170 points or less
CF (after part 5): 100 points or less - 100 points or less
BOM: 1610 points or less - 3110 points or less
LOTLD (after part 5): 1000 points or less - 1020 points or less
DOTK: 1500 points or 1600 points or less (i´m quite sure the first number is right) - see left side
LS: 0 points - 0 points
SBTC (after part 2): 1250 points or less - 1800 poins or less
HH: I think 310 points or less, but i´m not sure - ???
TOTL: i think 1500 points or less - 2270 points or less
total: ~7420 points or less - ~10k points (?)

[Maz]

<1.000 in LOTLD? You'll get 1.300 Points just in Part 5.
LOTLD would be 1.320 I guess.

TOTL is hard to say, but if you'd go for "no points lost", you'll get at least 950 in the first room with the Hoodflyers, and another 1.500 for Reflux, so 2.450 maybe?

Also, the Glitches I mentioned are only those known by Speedrunners. There might be other Glitches which could reduce the Score, but have not been looked after because they were unimportant to Speedruns; so the actual minimums might be a lot lower.

[1234]

Again you´re right, the min. in LOTLD is maybe 1300 points or 1320 points. I made all this calculations in just some minutes, so that i forgot the extra points you get for killing hoodlums with one hit. Thanks for the correction.

About TOTL: As you said, if you´d go for "no points lost", the minimum should be 2450 points at the moment.
I indicated 1500 points as the minimum, because, when you don´t shoot any hoodflyer, you won´t get any points. The disadvantage is, that you lose some points. Since there are no rules about that in this topic, i took the rules i played by: If you lose points you have to take some gems, which you could usually pass without any problems, intentionally.
When you follow this rules, the minimum should be 1500 points.

While we´re on it, do you want to make some rules about whether you may lose points or not, iHeckler9?