Pluses (+) and minuses (−) of this day

[saerleiya]

Cracking, keygens are the way to go for editing videos programs since they ask over $300 usaually which is insane.

Pleaaaaase, Keygens are so archaïc. .

Of course, when speaking about games made with previously copyrighted Intellectual Property (i.e. what you and I do, Ad), matters get a whole lot more complicated 'cause we're being cheeky and illegal from the start. I even wonder sometimes how passable copyrighted music is if it is made with the intention to go with a fan-made game.

It is the same for any kind of software you are using for your own purpose. If I start making money out of thevideos I create, then I will buy the software. But for now, it's only for my own personal use. I don't see where is the problem considering that as said OCG, these softwares are very expensive.

It depends on people: some won't be against spending hundreds of dollars to do their thing. Some (like me) won't spend too much if the investment is not worth at the moment they consider it for the first time(for example, I paid for my recording software while most people use bandicam or free equivalents, But it only costed 40 $). Some, like OCG, have an even lower threshold in terms of buy/not buy, which I find very low, but I understand that.

However, if you happen to start earning money with your channel, OCG, I would advise you to buy softwares you use: they proved they were useful and worth the money they should cost.

[Shrooblord]

It's not that I don't understand the advantages of pirating, especially when it comes to personal budget. Trust me, I do. I'm not a rich man myself, but if I really want to use a piece of software, I'll pay for it. I tend to look at it in two ways: I paid for it; it's mine to do with what I want ('cept reverse engineering and all that jive). But also, I am supporting the creators of software I enjoy using, so they may continue to develop new or improve upon old software that I like using.

[OCG]

why would using cracked version of program for making [an original work] prevent you from selling it?

Because legal issues? What if I were to steal someone's canvas and steal someone's paint and then make a masterpiece with those? The work of art was made with stolen goods; it came forth out of crime and thus propagates the crime. If I were able to sell that painting, I'd be rewarded for stealing; I'd be paid for stealing. Your dad's a lawyer, right? Ask him about the matter and tell us what he thinks (no, genuinely, do, I'm interested in hearing from one who has studied these sorts of issues).

I really cannot categorize stealing something physical IRL with cracking the program. When you steal something IRL, you are taking away the object and person who you stole from will notice, and what is achieved with that? Nothing? Plus, that person will no longer have stolen object and that is just horrible. When cracking the program, you are usually downloading file from site and just modifying some stuff with program to make full version run and activate all locked features. You didn't steal the program from creators so that they no longer have it and cannot use it. You didn't hack their PC, took source code and delete it from their PC. Now THAT is equivalent to stealing IRL. In my case with Camtasia, I downloaded from their official website, installed program, used fake product key, blocked internet connection with Camtasia, and Camtasia said that there is some server related issue at attempting to validate the key but that in the meantime I can use program normally.

My father generally does not give a single fuck about internet since his cases are way more serious then some internet piracy defending in court (not that any case like that ever happened here) and he is just a man born in the 40's who still didn't fully adapt to computers, speaks no English at all (he generally has trouble learning languages which is surprising because he knows pretty much all about history, philosophy, geography, biology, chemistry, math ect...). He does however think that nothing over $60 gaming and software related should be paid expecially if it is digital I can tell you that. Also, his job is usually to defend guilty people not to teach others what is wrong or not.

But in the end, you are free to have your view on things and I am not trying to change your views. This is just how I view things.

My views are that if something is worth and good deal I pay legally, if not fuck it, I need to crack it.
If I had talent and could make some original game, I couldn't care less if program I am making with was obtained legally or not. If it was something with good quality I would sell it.

Cracking, keygens are the way to go for editing videos programs since they ask over $300 usaually which is insane.

Pleaaaaase, Keygens are so archaïc. .

Heh, they are still used for some things

However, if you happen to start earning money with your channel, OCG, I would advise you to buy softwares you use: they proved they were useful and worth the money they should cost.

I do earn money with my channel since 2012
I earn about $80 a month these days and I do not think that is enough to spend $300 on Camtasia licence. I would consider it if I earned $500 month.

[Adsolution]

I completely see your point, but regarding legality, using any assets created with pirated software is basically not doable. You'll need to recreate assets 'based on' the ones you made in pirated software, i.e. recreate them from scratch using the old ones as 'sketches' only, or throw them out altogether.

Practically speaking, or morally speaking? Practically speaking that obviously isn't so - if you're super paranoid you could just change resave the files to change the creation date if anyone even cares. Morally speaking, can you elaborate?

'cause we're being cheeky and illegal from the start.

Actually not quite, as there's no law or any kind of rule against this. Fanworks, whether it's art, fanfiction, or games, are perfectly allowed, an IP holder simply reserves the right to order a cease and desist on your work if they please.

EDIT:

Unless you're referring to using cracked software to make 'em, didn't consider what you meant for some reason.

[Shrooblord]

I completely see your point, but regarding legality, using any assets created with pirated software is basically not doable. You'll need to recreate assets 'based on' the ones you made in pirated software, i.e. recreate them from scratch using the old ones as 'sketches' only, or throw them out altogether.

Practically speaking, or morally speaking? Practically speaking that obviously isn't so - if you're super paranoid you could just change resave the files to change the creation date if anyone even cares. Morally speaking, can you elaborate?

Morally, no - if you feel alright using pirated software, then there are no objections. If you do object but still use it, then you should look carefully into yourself and wonder why you're betraying your own principles. That's all I've got to say about morality in this matter.

Practically, of course, you can find ways to hide it. I'm not saying you should buy the tools just in case they find out you cracked them. I'm saying that if they find out and you sold stuff, you're screwed. And as such, if you plan on selling future work, don't steal the tools, basically. If you want to cover your ass, play it safe.

Mind that I've always implied 'if'. I'm not advocating either side of this per se - I just mean that if you want to sell, think about where you stand legally. If you think you're covered, you're covered. What happens after you submit your work to the market is all your (you, metaphorical reader of this post, not you personally, Addy, though you too are included as a metaphorical reader of this post, yes) business and none of mine.

I have one last thing to add to this, and that's this text from FruityLoops' website that basically changed my whole outlook on using pirated software and regarding the legality of used software: http://www.image-line.com/company/stoppirating.php
Specifically, points 4, 8 and 9 made an impact on me. Not immediately as such, but they got me thinking about the matter and inspired my current views on the matter.

All in all, if you want to
A ) support your product's creators;
B ) sell your (future) work; or
C ) appeal to your moral 'good' - if not pirating means something to you morally,
you'll need to buy it. It's as simple as that. Some programs come with lovely, free alternatives. Others have free trials, cheap dummy-versions (fuck you, crippleware piece of shit Photoshop Elements 11 - PE8 was a dream), free student programs (thank you, Autodesk!~), free beta trials leading up to cheaper-to-buy final products or massive sales (Native Instruments 80% off sales - what?!). Look around for opportunities to make the program fit your budget, if you're set on using that one program but can't make your budget fit its price.

Or pirate. Whatever. Just starting debates here. I love inciting talk and getting people thinking about things.

Oh, and OCG, thanks, I'll keep that in mind next time I think of a legal conundrum.

[saerleiya]

I really cannot categorize stealing something physical IRL with cracking the program. When you steal something IRL, you are taking away the object and person who you stole from will notice, and what is achieved with that? Nothing? Plus, that person will no longer have stolen object and that is just horrible.

It's still stealing. You are talking about physical stealing, but it's not because there is Internet and dematerialized exchanges that you are not stealing.
Think about softwares as work, not as property. If people do work, they do it so they can live with what they earned from their work. If you are not buying the software, you are not paying them. Giving them zero recognition IS stealing their work. I don't think those people who created those softwares were volunteers. There is nothing illegal in that until you are making money by using content you should have paid for.

Adsolution has a good point: if you are using a software people created so they can earn money out of it, at some point you gotta thank them/give them recognition for your work.

My views are that if something is worth and good deal I pay legally, if not fuck it, I need to crack it.

We agree on that point.

All in all, if you want to
A ) support your product's creators;
B ) sell your (future) work; or
C ) appeal to your moral 'good' - if not pirating means something to you morally,

We also agree on that point.

I have the weird feeling that the four of us are sayign exactly the same thing about piracy to each other, but we spent a good amount of time tying to show it to the others.

[Shrooblord]

Not necessarily. I tend to give some kind of broad analysis on why I think things - it's how I present my views here - and people end up telling me/us theirs and then I usually point out why I disagree with that in some case and somehow that turns around into everyone agreeing with each other. Pah, discussions with people you've known for years - they always turn out leaving everyone confused (when you're on the RPC)!

[Imco]

+ I don't have school tomorrow!
+ I've been working on Deep in the Caves and have my first WIP finished https://soundcloud.com/imco-de-gier/dee ... -caves-wip
- Test week starts next week :/
+ I got my L'Histoire de Rayman today

[Keane]

- Well, there goes most of my saturday. Nothing better than waking up to the already irritated face of my mother. I don't get this shit. Every once in a while, we go do something outside the house with the family, and she's always fucking pissed on those days. I don't even want to go, but if I say no now it'll result in a huge argument about how I'm ruining potential memories or whatever. The problem with this house is that I can hear everything from my room: Criticism, rants about me, casual talks about what's wrong with me this time. If you're so unhappy with me, don't fucking take me with you. And I can hear her in the living room, trying to play victim. Oh no, how did she get cursed with a son who just never listens... even though he took up a diet like you wanted him to, even though he took up fitness like you wanted him to, even though he took up a hobby like you wanted him to, even though he's tried to improve on every single thing you've told him to, but yeah, all he does is stubbornly sit in his room, if only he listened to his perfect mother with no flaws. I feel fucking shit in this family. It's like, you do something and it gets appreciated, but as soon as you do something else that they don't want you to, you're suddenly trash and what you did before no longer matters. And now we're about to get into the car, and we're all gonna pretend like nothing is wrong and nothing was said, just like we always do.

- And I got an email from my guitar teacher politely saying he doesn't think we click and he feels like he's wasting his time. Awesome. I really love living like this. Sit through a week feeling anxious and upset at school, get your weekend shit on by other people, restart the process. It was like this a year ago, and it probably will still be a year from now.

[Fifo]

--- Wiped the hard drive by accident on my Acer Aspire E1-532. Any ideas on how to restore everything?

[Imco]

--- Wiped the hard drive by accident on my Acer Aspire E1-532. Any ideas on how to restore everything?

How can you "accidentally" wipe an entire hard drive? O.o

[Master]

Magnets often are quite dangerous things to put near any piece of electronic equipment for one thing.

+ Watched Doctor Who
+/- We're in the finale for this series, feels so quick.

[Earth Gwee]

+ We closed on our new house yesterday and we've started preparing to move.

- I was an idiot with turning in a rough draft of a paper late to my online writing class, resulting in a complete loss of points and possibly a mark-down on my final draft. I was crying so much over it.

+ Got ice cream, which made me feel a bit better.

[Fifo]

--- Wiped the hard drive by accident on my Acer Aspire E1-532. Any ideas on how to restore everything?

How can you "accidentally" wipe an entire hard drive? O.o

I removed the Windows partition accidentally when installing Ubuntu.

[OCG]

+ It appears that timezone at my location changed and that it is now same time like in UK instead of 1 hour later.

[THEdragon]

- It's 8:30 pm, I'm a total rebel and I wanna stay up late but nothing's happening so I'm just sitting here listening to Gorillaz songs backwards while I wait for something to happen. It's so boring. My timezone can be a real drag.
+ Don't Hug Me I'm Scared 3 is only five days away!

[Shrooblord]

+ It appears that timezone at my location changed and that it is now same time like in UK instead of 1 hour later.

Wait, they shifted timezones? That's strange. Are you sure it isn't Winter Time coming into effect?

- I have an exam tomorrow and I'm completely unprepared. But at the same time, I knew I would be ever since this Wednesday when I got a big 'fuck that' attitude towards it in light of recent shitstorms. I'm gonna try my luck in January when the resits come along, see how things go then.

[Imco]

+ It appears that timezone at my location changed and that it is now same time like in UK instead of 1 hour later.

Wait, they shifted timezones? That's strange. Are you sure it isn't Winter Time coming into effect?

- I have an exam tomorrow and I'm completely unprepared. But at the same time, I knew I would be ever since this Wednesday when I got a big 'fuck that' attitude towards it in light of recent shitstorms. I'm gonna try my luck in January when the resits come along, see how things go then.

Hehe, I don't know what you mean... It's not like I have a test tomorrow as well... For which I'm not that well prepared...

[RibShark]

+ It appears that timezone at my location changed and that it is now same time like in UK instead of 1 hour later.

Actually, the UK switched from BST to GMT (because of Daylight Saving Time), so that is probably why.

[Shrooblord]

lol. High-failing-five, brother.

It's mostly because it's one of those tests that I'm completely and totally against. What objective reason could I need for wanting to know the exact signalling pathways of one tiny molecule in our body if I'm not focussing myself on studying that molecule?! Like seriously, why do I need to know these things by heart if they're not gonna be important to me for years as opposed to understanding what they do in concept and replicating my knowledge in several situations, so I can show that I understand as opposed to 'have seen it and memorised it flat by repeating it five billion times in a row'.

I hate exams that make you learn a bunch of useless stuff by heart for no reason.