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[Imco]

Just uploaded this new remix on my channel

[Snagglebee]

Oh yeah, I watched your recent video! I love it

[saerleiya]

Just finished a new video. Playing League of Legends with my brothers and a friend of us, alongside some editing and commentaries :



PS: I haven't had enough time to be able to add subtitles, so don't worry if you don't understand everything we are saying (as we are speaking in French). They are on the way. Another thing: it seems I messed up something for the first game, as the audio is a bit delayed when compared to the video. But it's not that big . Just saying...

[THEdragon]

I uploaded an animation a couple of days ago, but given YouTube's horrendously messy front page layout, I wouldn't be surprised if most of my subscribers missed it under a flood of recommended videos and 'watch it again's.

[saerleiya]

I uploaded an animation a couple of days ago, but given YouTube's horrendously messy front page layout, I wouldn't be surprised if most of my subscribers missed it under a flood of recommended videos and 'watch it again's.

Well, if they are good subscribers, they know how to do in order to see if you posted a new video since last time they came here. But yeah YT is not simplifying things, sadly .

[Bradandez]

I haven't made a lot of videos on my channel, but I kinda want to make limited animated reviews.

[saerleiya]

I haven't made a lot of videos on my channel, but I kinda want to make limited animated reviews.

It's okay, just take your time. Personnally, it took me almost 6 weeks to make two eight-minute long videos. Even if they have highlights and editing in them, it's still a very long time for such a small amount of time. I could be faster for that.

[OCG]

Got copyright strike today for Super Smash Bros 4 Crash4Smash video and it was not even from Nintendo. It was from Ultra Music and they claimed Trolololo Song (I am not sure how would they even have copyright to Russian song). That came unexpected. Ultra Music is known for filing a lawsuit against YouTuber Michelle Phan. Let's see if they will file one against me or not.

[saerleiya]

It was from Ultra Music

What the actual fuck? Like they owned this: Ultra was created in 1996, right?
Jesus .

[OCG]

Thats what is confusing me. Trololo Song was made way before. It could maybe be false claim too. Maybe they obtained licence after Khil passed away but I can't find concreate evidence for that. I am sure that after author dies, his son should be copyright owner.

[Adsolution]

That's almost disrespectful to Khil in my opinion. What in God's name are they going to gain by taking hold of the rights to Khil's performance of Я очень рад, ведь я, наконец, возвращаюсь домой? Who would even want to do that?

[Rayfist]

I really didn't want to say this to you OCG but it really irks me how you make a profit off of uploading OST you didn't even rip, directly for a game that you plan on buying said OST for. Sorry, I don't know how else to put it, I just find it really odd.

[OCG]

That's almost disrespectful to Khil in my opinion. What in God's name are they going to gain by taking hold of the rights to Khil's performance of Я очень рад, ведь я, наконец, возвращаюсь домой? Who would even want to do that?

I checked iTunes and it seems they are selling song rebranded:
https://itunes.apple.com/us/album/trolo ... d632118163

Seems that they somehow got the rights but I wonder how. I doubt that Khil's family would allow some big company to resell the song for cash and keep licence so I would not be surprised if they did it illegaly and the family does not have money for lawsuit. While alive, Khil wanted everyone to be able to use it and make videos with it. Shame that corporations want to ruin his original wish.

I really didn't want to say this to you OCG but it really irks me how you make a profit off of uploading OST you didn't even rip, directly for a game that you plan on buying said OST for. Sorry, I don't know how else to put it, I just find it really odd.

If you said that to compare me to Ultra Music, I am nothing like them. I would never take down any video with any SSB material, expecially since it would be fraudent takedown but I also support idea of as many as possible channels uploading it. I can name you at least few more YT users that profited off OST (and way more than me since they got more views) so I definitely am not only person doing it. I think best thing is not to talk regarding that topic anymore.

Anways, everyone! Take a look at this channel:
https://www.youtube.com/user/CrackerBounty

To demonstrate my power, I will revive this channel in like 20 days without knowing his email or password.

[Shrooblord]

OCG, this is what bothers me most about your views - and before this gets out of control, yes, I know you said you don't want to talk about it, but it's something I want to address anyway.

When you say "I'm not the only one doing it, so back off", you are casting aside the responsibility you have for your actions. You're basically saying "everyone's doing it so who cares". In rhetorical learning, this is known as an ad populum. To defend your actions, you cannot hide behind the masses. That is no way to justify what you did. I could give you an example of why not, if you don't understand, but I'd rather try for you to understand from the get-go instead of me chewing it out for you. OCG, do you see why you cannot simply use "everyone does it, so it's okay" as a logical argument to defend your case? Then I ask you again - why do you think it's alright for you to make money off of content that is not yours, even if it is 'just a little bit' as you highlight often enough? Or do you realise you're stealing and do you simply not care?

I'm sorry - but I'm trying to strengthen your own reasoning by highlighting this. And maybe make you change your mind. Mostly the former though.

[OCG]

I mentioned that I am not the only why doing it because you don't seem to go and comment on other people's videos and tell them same thing. You have full right to say what you said but you should not say it only to me then but to others who did it as well.

I already mentioned sometime ago that I will never consider this kind of things stealing. Stealing would be if I went in store and stole physical SSB Soundtrack CD.

Why I upload it? Because I believe in freedom of internet. For example, take a look at what Michelle Phan (YouTuber that got sued by Ultra Music) said:
http://recode.net/2014/10/27/ipsy-found ... net-video/

I am not even fan of her work and I did not even knew about her until she was sued but I really like the way she thinks about copyright and music usage. So far, neither Ultra Muisc or her won lawsuit but I really hope she wins it and damages Ultra Music good.

[Jewish Candy]

Okay, I do feel I need to respond to this.

Perhaps Shroob doesn't go and laboriously comment on other people's videos because that would require trawling after people he doesn't even know in order to say a thing over and over again. However, Shroob DOES know you (as an internet acquaintance at least) and is in regular contact with you - no trawling or copy-paste needed. Just as you shouldn't ad populum, don't put the responsibilty for your actions on someone calling you out for them.

You should understand that I am, to a degree, supportive of copyleft initiatives. I believe that copyright laws as currently written generally favour corporations/labels over inventors/artists, as currently written penalise smaller offences over larger ones and as currently written act to stifle the spread of new technology, particularly in the Global South. I would like to see this addressed first and foremost. I do not, however, believe that someone should be able to make money by putting up someone else's music.

Phan's case is not yours due to a simple matter of content. As she herself says in that video you linked, "it's not like it's a music video... there's a voiceover and instructions" - she isn't making money from the music, but from the make-up tutorials that the music is merely an accent to. She is clearly earning from her content and her work. Those who upload the SSB OST and make money off it are not earning from their content or their work; they are making money exclusively from the music. You can appreciate the difference.

I'd also add that Phan originally approached Ultra Music, was in communication with Ultra Music, gained ongoing permission from Ultra Music and was, as far as I can tell, essentially betrayed by Ultra Music. Somehow I doubt you have approached Nintendo asking if you can post the OST on Youtube and monetise it, though do correct me if I'm wrong.

I'm sorry to contribute to this topic again, I'll control my itchy fingers next time I promise you~, but this needed to be said.

[Shrooblord]

The difference between me going forth and spouting my beliefs all over YouTube and me having a personal conversation with you about it is relevance. Here, we are a community of people who sorta know each other. We talk to each other, we listen. We learn from each other, we discuss. YouTube is a much different society. See it as a city square in front of a train station. Would anyone listen to someone who's shouting his beliefs to the world about how we should change our ways when he's standing there? No, they would think him a mad man. His comments are irrelevant to our daily lives at that point. But would I listen to a friend in a one-on-one conversation who told me that I should change my ways (because...)? Yes! I might not actually go and do it, but I would at least consider it.

There is near to zero use in going onto the internet, going onto the actual streets or going onto something like the radio or tv and mass broadcast your opinion on their way of life. Once you get personal and start to criticise or highlight parts of what people do personally, it works a lot better if you're actually there in person, being personal. Who listens to campaigning posters? Maybe the subconscious... who listens to someone that they're talking to face-to-face? The aware. If you want to change your ways, it begins with being conscious of what you don't like about yourself. If you want to help someone else change their ways - or - in my case, better understand them and see where their reasoning comes from, you need to talk to them in person.

YouTube is not a good medium for talking to people in person. There are glimmers of actual conversation, but for the rest, it just isn't.
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BUT OldClassicGamer, nice deflection. I'll now return to what we were actually discussing:

I mentioned that I am not the only why doing it because you don't seem to go and comment on other people's videos and tell them same thing.

No you didn't. I'm 90% convinced that you didn't start writing your post thinking "Oh, I wonder what Shrooblord would say to other people about the matter - hey let me go out and check his YouTube comments to see if he tells other people what he possibly would respond to what I'm about to say. Oh, no he doesn't? Well, then I can go ahead and just say it."

No, what you did right there was a deflection and you know it. And it almost worked too! But I return to the question: why do you think it's okay to make money off of something you didn't personally make? You didn't put near to the amount of work into getting that content online as the person did making the content. How is it fair for your work to be paid, while you did none of the actual work? You don't see it as stealing, because you get all 'terminology nazi' on us. Fine. Then tell me you reasons, your beliefs. Do not talk to me about others. Talk to me about you.

Or don't. And leave it. I'm not even sure why I bother anymore. I guess I find it unfair what you do and want to make you realise that it is. Maybe that's because I regard you as someone I care about, as someone who's part of this community. But it seems obvious you have a completely different interpretation to what morals are than I do. We're not getting through to you after - what is it - two weeks of basically this same discussion? I wonder if we ever will. I wonder if that even matters now.

Go ahead. Answer my question and answer it with honesty. No deflections, no fallacious arguments, no cowering behind something else and throwing away your responsibility. Give me the honest you. Why do you do it?

PS
Candish, you pretty much said what I wanted to say, but I'm not going to erase my words just because you're a flippin' ninja. xD
And please, don't leave - every voice is allowed to be heard (also yours, OCG! But make it worthwhile).

[saerleiya]

I already mentioned sometime ago that I will never consider this kind of things stealing. Stealing would be if I went in store and stole physical SSB Soundtrack CD.

You only refer to physical stealing...which is not the case here. That's why Creative Commons were created.
If SSB OST is licensed under CC with no authorized free use for channels (or any other use) making money, then if you are using it even as a background music, it's stealing, because you are denying Nintendo money they should earn because you used their content for a content which makes money.
Whether they are a big company not making lawsuits for you because you are not 'big' enough doesn't matter: it's still stealing.

Now, if you are okay with using their content whiel you 'shouldn't', I don't see any problem with that, I'm not you, I'm not going to put you into custody...but do not tell me this is not stealing.

[Jewish Candy]

Candish, you pretty much said what I wanted to say, but I'm not going to erase my words just because you're a flippin' ninja. xD

Not at all, I think we both approached it from a different angle.

[technology4617]

I mentioned that I am not the only why doing it because you don't seem to go and comment on other people's videos and tell them same thing. You have full right to say what you said but you should not say it only to me then but to others who did it as well.

"I murdered someone, but Ed Gein did as well. Why don't you all go and piss on Ed Gein's grave for a change?"

As you said, many, many people do this. Many, many people are serial killers. Are we really obligated to go and talk to them all, and does the fact that many people do it make it any less wrong?

That goes for this statement as well:

I really didn't want to say this to you OCG but it really irks me how you make a profit off of uploading OST you didn't even rip, directly for a game that you plan on buying said OST for. Sorry, I don't know how else to put it, I just find it really odd.

If you said that to compare me to Ultra Music, I am nothing like them. I would never take down any video with any SSB material, expecially since it would be fraudent takedown but I also support idea of as many as possible channels uploading it. I can name you at least few more YT users that profited off OST (and way more than me since they got more views) so I definitely am not only person doing it. I think best thing is not to talk regarding that topic anymore.

That was in no way implied in Rayfist query, and thinking for a second that it was really shows how ingrained you are in the mindset of judging the moral standing of your actions entirely on how frequently they're performed by others.

Because I believe in freedom of internet.

No, you don't. Having no rules or regulations whatsoever isn't really freedom, but a form of anarchy.