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Re: EU
Posted: Fri Oct 02, 2009 7:09 pm
by spiraldoor
PluMGMK wrote:Just to clear things up, Lisbon will not federalise the EU. If it would, we would know about it.
Wikipedia wrote:The European Union (EU) is not a de jure federation but some academic observers conclude that it is one, after 50 years of institutional evolution caused by the European Court of Justice.[3] The European Union possesses attributes of a federal state. However, its central government is far weaker than that of most federations and the individual members are sovereign states under international law, so it is usually characterized as an unprecedented form of supra-national union. The EU has responsibility for important areas such as trade, monetary union, agriculture, fisheries. Nonetheless, EU member states retain the right to act independently in matters of foreign policy and defense, and also enjoy a near monopoly over other major policy areas such as criminal justice and taxation. The proposed Treaty of Lisbon would codify the Member States' right to leave the Union, but would at the same time also provide the European Union with more power in many areas.
Re: EU
Posted: Fri Oct 02, 2009 7:16 pm
by Hunchman801
Most Europeans countries have centuries of history behind them (France, Denmark and Poland being the oldest), which makes it totally impossible to merge them together. Settlers had hardly been there for three centuries when the USA was created, which made it much easier to federate it as most states had no real identity back then.
Re: EU
Posted: Fri Oct 02, 2009 7:19 pm
by spiraldoor
Hunchman801 wrote:Most Europeans countries have centuries of history behind them (France, Denmark and Poland being the oldest), which makes it totally impossible to merge them together. Settlers had hardly been there for three centuries when the USA was created, which made it much easier to federate it as most states had no real identity back then.
Centuries of history didn't stop Hitler from merging Austria and Germany.
Re: EU
Posted: Fri Oct 02, 2009 8:07 pm
by Tobbe
Germans and Austrians spoke the same language, many were of the same nationality, and there was strong support within the population of Austria to be annexed into Nazi Germany.
Re: EU
Posted: Fri Oct 02, 2009 8:16 pm
by Hunchman801
spiraldoor wrote:Centuries of history didn't stop Hitler from merging Austria and Germany.
Did it last?
Re: EU
Posted: Fri Oct 02, 2009 8:21 pm
by spiraldoor
Hunchman801 wrote:spiraldoor wrote:Centuries of history didn't stop Hitler from merging Austria and Germany.
Did it last?
It would have if the Americans hadn't fucked everything up. They won't do that this time
Re: EU
Posted: Fri Oct 02, 2009 9:27 pm
by Xenon
Federating countries is probably the worst possible thing to do.
Re: EU
Posted: Fri Oct 02, 2009 10:47 pm
by PluMGMK
Hunchman801 wrote:Most Europeans countries have centuries of history behind them (France, Denmark and Poland being the oldest), which makes it totally impossible to merge them together. Settlers had hardly been there for three centuries when the USA was created, which made it much easier to federate it as most states had no real identity back then.
+1
Re: EU
Posted: Sat Oct 03, 2009 2:20 pm
by El Dango
If you ask me, United States of Europe sounds pretty bad.
Re: EU
Posted: Sat Oct 03, 2009 5:39 pm
by spiraldoor
The results are out today. Lisbon has been passed by a two-to-one majority.
Re: EU
Posted: Sat Oct 03, 2009 6:40 pm
by PluMGMK
spiraldoor wrote:
Why do you say that? It's alost as if you believe the Treaty is evil.
Re: EU
Posted: Sun Oct 04, 2009 2:27 pm
by spiraldoor
PluMGMK wrote:spiraldoor wrote:
Why do you say that? It's alost as if you believe the Treaty is evil.
Isn't it?
Re: EU
Posted: Sun Oct 04, 2009 4:03 pm
by PluMGMK
spiraldoor wrote:PluMGMK wrote:spiraldoor wrote:
Why do you say that? It's alost as if you believe the Treaty is evil.
Isn't it?
Whatever, Poland and the Czech Rep. still haven't ratified it. So there's still a chance.
Re: EU
Posted: Mon Oct 05, 2009 2:24 pm
by Haruka
I still think that on Escudos ( $ ) era, Portugal lived better economically.
1€ was around 200$.
And with 2000$ (10€ approximately) you could buy a lot of stuff, now 10€ is just for a complete lunch.
But honestly I even don't know what's all about Lisbon Treaty.
All what I know is that Lisbon Treaty will reforce the EU's democracy and make a better capacity of defend the citizens' interests on their daily lives. (And a treaty signed in my country's capital by other state members)
I also heard recently that the majority of Ireland people voted "Yes".
Re: EU
Posted: Mon Oct 05, 2009 5:16 pm
by spiraldoor
PluMGMK wrote:spiraldoor wrote:PluMGMK wrote:spiraldoor wrote:
Why do you say that? It's alost as if you believe the Treaty is evil.
Isn't it?
Whatever, Poland and the Czech Rep. still haven't ratified it. So there's still a chance.
It's already been ratified by the Czech parliament, it only needs to be signed into law by that Czech president or prime minister or whatever he is.
And what's this about Poland?
Re: EU
Posted: Mon Oct 05, 2009 5:20 pm
by PluMGMK
spiraldoor wrote:And what's this about Poland?
I have absolutely no idea! All I know is that I heard it on the news.
Re: EU
Posted: Mon Oct 05, 2009 5:37 pm
by spiraldoor
PluMGMK wrote:spiraldoor wrote:And what's this about Poland?
I have absolutely no idea! All I know is that I heard it on the news.
Television or radio?
Re: EU
Posted: Mon Oct 05, 2009 5:54 pm
by PluMGMK
spiraldoor wrote:PluMGMK wrote:spiraldoor wrote:And what's this about Poland?
I have absolutely no idea! All I know is that I heard it on the news.
Television or radio?
Radio.
Re: EU
Posted: Mon Oct 05, 2009 6:09 pm
by spiraldoor
What station?
Re: EU
Posted: Mon Oct 05, 2009 6:10 pm
by PluMGMK
RTÉ 1.