Next-Gen Consoles/Games

[sonicbrawler182]

Regarding the whole TV thing - I don't see how Microsoft think "TVTVTVTVSPORTS" is a good selling point. It's like trying to sell us a console with a built in oven - most people have it as standard anyway. Our games console doesn't need it.

Consoles don't have to be just for gaming, but at the same time, it's unwise to throw any old feature in, let alone as a big selling point.

[OCG]

Cable Box > Xbox One

[Adsolution]

Cable Box > Xbox One

What?

[OCG]

Cable Box > Xbox One

What?

[Master]

The video's broken, did you copy the video ID correctly?

[OCG]

It shows good for me. Try refreshing it.

[Master]

Just did, got it now.

[Adsolution]

Cable Box > Xbox One

What?

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[sonicbrawler182]

That's pretty funny, OCG.

[Adsolution]

Not sure if I'm missing the point of OCG's joke here (or if it's just extremely poorly executed), but the dashboard was never a point of complaint for either the 360 or the demoed One.

[Rayfist]

I'm not slamming down on Xbox One at all, like I said, it looks like an alright console, but I easily think PS4 will be the better choice. I guess I should re-state what I said, it's not so much the problem I have with Microsoft taking a different approach and doing stuff other than gaming, but mostly trying to use that as a selling point (A bit more than the games at times). I'm not saying all consoles should be GAMING ONLY, but for the most part, that should be the top priority. Nobody is going to use the TV feature, nobody cares about the sports implementations, none of that. Hell, the reason why most people want an Xbox One right now is for the launch games. I'm not saying Microsoft shouldn't be doing what it is doing, but I'd rather it takes its focus on games more than anything else, not completely drift away from those focuses, but you know what I mean. Now you're right about me saying 'consoles are for just gaming' -I barely threw any details as to why I thought that, I didn't think I'd have to explain that though. When most people here think consoles, they think gaming, that's completely normal. Please don't start a console war (not implying you are), as I'm not trying to bash the Xbox One, but I'm saying I preferred if they tried to take more of a focus on gaming, as that was heavily lacking during the announcement. Because I doubt most of you will end up using the other features of Xbox One and mostly play games. If you truly think Microsofts approach is the best... well, I'd question it, but that's okay with me overall.

but the dashboard was never a point of complaint for either the 360 or the demoed One.

The 360 dashboard was very disorienting for me, it seriously gave me a headache, navigating that thing my first time using a 360 was horrid. It is infested with advertisements, I get we can ignore the advertisements easily (I mean this isn't a PC, we can't just install adblocker), but if you own XBOX LIVE gold, those ads should be rid of, but they aren't.

[Bzzit]

It is infested with advertisements, I get we can ignore the advertisements easily (I mean this isn't a PC, we can't just install adblocker), but if you own XBOX LIVE gold, those ads should be rid of, but they aren't.

I guess you could say it's in dire need of an Ad solution (I'm so sorry)

[Rayfist]

I'm not trying to start a war here, it's just what I think personally, I know Ad will probably reply to me with his strong vocabulary that will probably confuse the shit out of me. XD In all seriousness though, I'm not trying to start a war, it's just my two cents on what I think.

[Adsolution]

I know Ad will probably reply to me with his strong vocabulary that will probably confuse the shit out of me.

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I'm not saying all consoles should be GAMING ONLY, but for the most part, that should be the top priority.

Thanks for clarifying. Though, why, still? I think the notion of an all-purpose media centre and entertainment system is a great idea. This is, again, like saying that the TVs we use to play our video games on should primarily be used for watching TV. The marketing for the One has been rather obscure, because it is the successor to a gaming console (and the marketing team seem like a bunch of morons), but I think its pretty clear in their intentions and demographic.

Nobody is going to use the TV feature, nobody cares about the sports implementations, none of that.

You're generalising again, because I can tell you right off the bat that this isn't true. It's a far better, more responsive and reliable alternative to Cable, no? If you watch TV, then the One's TV feature will be a very welcome. I mean, I don't watch TV really, but I know many people in real life who are happy with the feature.

I'm not saying Microsoft shouldn't be doing what it is doing, but I'd rather it takes its focus on games more than anything else, not completely drift away from those focuses, but you know what I mean. Now you're right about me saying 'consoles are for just gaming' -I barely threw any details as to why I thought that, I didn't think I'd have to explain that though. When most people here think consoles, they think gaming, that's completely normal. Please don't start a console war (not implying you are), as I'm not trying to bash the Xbox One, but I'm saying I preferred if they tried to take more of a focus on gaming, as that was heavily lacking during the announcement. Because I doubt most of you will end up using the other features of Xbox One and mostly play games. If you truly think Microsofts approach is the best... well, I'd question it, but that's okay with me overall.

So you would prefer for console wars to exist? What Microsoft is doing here I find to be both beneficial for PlayStation and Xbox fans alike: aside from exclusives, the choice is moreorless "do I want a console purely made for gaming" or "do I want the media centre console"? It's pretty swell, in my opinion, but I don't see why anyone would be against that almost peacekeeping benefactor. I know you prefer the sole gaming focus, which is why the PS4 would undoubtedly be the best choice for you.

The 360 dashboard was very disorienting for me, it seriously gave me a headache, navigating that thing my first time using a 360 was horrid. It is infested with advertisements, I get we can ignore the advertisements easily (I mean this isn't a PC, we can't just install adblocker), but if you own XBOX LIVE gold, those ads should be rid of, but they aren't.

Agreed, I don't know why they still have ads around even if you have Gold, I hope they do so with the One. Though, I never had a problem navigating either the PS3's or the 360's interface, I thought they were both some of the best dashboard interfaces I'd ever seen, though my preference does lie slightly with the 360's, as I found myself being able to flip through menus much faster (horizontally, the menus are condensed to roughly half of the scrolling time and size needed compared to the PS3's).

[Rayfist]

Good to see we had just a normal chat rather than an argument, usually when me and my friend discussed the 360, it'd end up from a normal conversation to an argument... anyways.

Thanks for clarifying. Though, why, still? I think the notion of an all-purpose media centre and entertainment system is a great idea. This is, again, like saying that the TVs we use to play our video games on should primarily be used for watching TV. The marketing for the One has been rather obscure, because it is the successor to a gaming console (and the marketing team seem like a bunch of morons), but I think its pretty clear

No problem. I just don't see 'tv' as a selling point, yes it is most certainly something other consoles have not attempted, but most people I know have TV, so at least for MOST people I personally know, I don't think they'll be using that feature. Maybe if you know some people, that's cool, but I for one don't know any who would use it for that purpose.

So you would prefer for console wars to exist? What Microsoft is doing here I find to be both beneficial for PlayStation and Xbox fans alike: aside from exclusives, the choice is moreorless "do I want a console purely made for gaming" or "do I want the media centre console"? It's pretty swell, in my opinion, but I don't see why anyone would be against that almost peacekeeping benefactor.

Well I guess I didn't think of it that way. As I have said though, I'm totally fine with Microsoft keeping focus on TV, but I'm just a bit skeptical about the idea of making it mainly for TV, it's a neat little option, yes. But as I've said in my previous statement, I don't see it as a selling point nor people using it as an alternative since most people own a TV and cable, as far as people I know at least, of course this doesn't apply to everyone, nor am I saying this is really a bad alternative.

Anyways on the note of Xbox One:


If I were getting an Xbox One, this game would be amazing for me. It's only looking better and better, I'd like a PC port. Seems they're going with the old DR tradition where you get a Mega Man unlockable, such a fantastic reward.

[technology4617]

Well yes, technically it is, but you know what I mean.

I know what you mean, but I see it a little differently than you do. In addition to features and hardware, I use games to judge a system as well.

A PC is also a unique system with a unique library of games, so the decision to buy good enough hardware to PC game (if you don't already have it) pretty much comes from your satisfaction with its library. Almost all PC games (aside from obvious MMOs) have controller support for cross-platform titles as well; even exclusives do.

I love the PC as a platform, and you seem to have misunderstood my point. What I meant to say was that each different model of PC does not have games unique to it, since all PCs have the same list of games, for the most part. So, naturally, you would opt for the one with the best hardware.

Yeah, that 5% performance difference is really the deal-breaker over all of the One's features, isn't it? It's a matter of opinion on personal preference, sure, but it's not at all a very realistic opinion to put in the mouths of the majority.

That is your own opinion. And, also, the "majority" actually prefers the PS4's feature set. You are in the minority, not the majority. I don't have a problem with this, as everyone has their own opinion, but my opinion is just as valid as yours. I want a console purely for games, personality, so I'm naturally going to wait and pick the one with the better games (which is not apparent yet).

[MrBadGuy]

I don't have much of a preference but so far this is what I'm feeling

PS4 refines everything Sony has done so far with gaming, it's a more powerful machine that focuses mainly on gaming, but doesn't take any risks (understandable after the PS3) I'm also very interested to try their new controller, because I really don't like the DualShock 3.

Xbox One is obviously more of an entertainment hub, but also a capable gaming device, I'm interested to see what devs will do with Kinect now that everyone will have one out of the box; it could go either way.

[sonicbrawler182]

@Mega Man X in DR3: YEAH, LEMONS!!!!

Now that would be perfect if you could infinitely wall jump. :V

[Adsolution]

I know what you mean, but I see it a little differently than you do. In addition to features and hardware, I use games to judge a system as well.

You are seeing it differently, in that you're seeing my statements differently than I intend you to. This is a simple concept, and I know you know what I'm talking about: Games literally and technically have nothing to do with the quality of the physical console itself. Games play a role in determining the quality of the appeal and presentation of the console. For instance: I don't dislike how Google is forcing Plus on us because I think Plus sucks, no, I dislike how Google is forcing Plus on us because nobody uses Plus - Google Plus doesn't suck - in terms of usability and interface design, I think that it trumps Facebook in every way. By your logic in response to what I'm saying, Google Plus sucks as a social networking platform simply because nobody uses it, not because of any actual flaw with Plus itself; however, I don't believe this to actually be your logic, and I'm certain you actually do agree with me, I simply think you're misinterpreting what I was saying due to how utterly trivial and unimportant the matter is, and I was only using it as a minor reinforcement for a different point I was making.

I love the PC as a platform, and you seem to have misunderstood my point. What I meant to say was that each different model of PC does not have games unique to it, since all PCs have the same list of games, for the most part. So, naturally, you would opt for the one with the best hardware.

I actually agree (to an extent), so I'm not totally sure why you're telling me that I'm misunderstanding you.

That is your own opinion. And, also, the "majority" actually prefers the PS4's feature set. You are in the minority, not the majority.

Of course preference is my own opinion, I literally just said that, but… where are you getting your statistics exactly? General preference for the consoles is a fairly even split, as it's always been, and, as far as I'm aware, the One literally just has more features than the PS4. If they had the same library of games and were held at the same price, aside from interfacial differences which are based on preference, the One would be the most obvious choice, as it can simply do much more than the PS4 can. Again, those interfacial preferences can be the deciding factor for someone, but both share virtually identical features (even moreso than in the previous generation), one simply has more features, and one has fewer. Given that the PS4 is cheaper, I think that's great, it gives people more of a reason to pick a console than just which exclusives they want.

[technology4617]

You are seeing it differently, in that you're seeing my statements differently than I intend you to. This is a simple concept, and I know you know what I'm talking about: Games literally and technically have nothing to do with the quality of the physical console itself. Games play a role in determining the quality of the appeal and presentation of the console. For instance: I don't dislike how Google is forcing Plus on us because I think Plus sucks, no, I dislike how Google is forcing Plus on us because nobody uses Plus - Google Plus doesn't suck - in terms of usability and interface design, I think that it trumps Facebook in every way. By your logic in response to what I'm saying, Google Plus sucks as a social networking platform simply because nobody uses it, not because of any actual flaw with Plus itself; however, I don't believe this to actually be your logic, and I'm certain you actually do agree with me, I simply think you're misinterpreting what I was saying due to how utterly trivial and unimportant the matter is, and I was only using it as a minor reinforcement for a different point I was making.

My point is that I use the games for a system as a judge for its quality, the quality of the actual, physical thing. I know exactly what you mean, but games for me are an integral part of the system, like Windows is an integral part of a PC. I still understand what you mean, though. We agree to a certain extent, but view the concept of a console differently.

I actually agree (to an extent), so I'm not totally sure why you're telling me that I'm misunderstanding you.

I just was worried that you thought I meant that PCs weren't a legitimate platform, which is totally not the case. I love PCs and PC games. I get most multiplatform games on PC, so I don't have to deal with the toned-down graphics and framerate issues that I will often get on console. For instance, I can play Walking Dead on my PC at a consistent framerate of 60 FPS, but on my PS3, the framerate is capped at 20-30, and occasionally drops below that. Also, load times are virtually nonexistent, compared to other platforms.

Of course preference is my own opinion, I literally just said that, but… where are you getting your statistics exactly? General preference for the consoles is a fairly even split, as it's always been, and, as far as I'm aware, the One literally just has more features than the PS4. If they had the same library of games and were held at the same price, aside from interfacial differences which are based on preference, the One would be the most obvious choice, as it can simply do much more than the PS4 can. Again, those interfacial preferences can be the deciding factor for someone, but both share virtually identical features (even moreso than in the previous generation), one simply has more features, and one has fewer. Given that the PS4 is cheaper, I think that's great, it gives people more of a reason to pick a console than just which exclusives they want.

It does, but many people are more concerned about the PS4's higher specs than the feature set of the Xbox One, so that is also fairly split. I shouldn't have said you were in the minority, as that's probably not true, but you are not in the majority either.