Next-Gen Consoles/Games

[technology4617]

Is there anything you're looking forward to for the next generation? Anything you are dreading? Overall, are you happy with the next generation, or are you disappointed?

Personally, I'm a bit disappointed, since I was looking forward to the PS4, but the lack of decent launch titles means that it could go two ways: it could either be really great, and have an ever-expanding library of great exclusives like the PS3 did, or be another Vita or Wii U, lacking decent exclusives and focusing on gimicky features, rather than perfecting the basics. I'm going to hold off attempting to get one until I see some decent games.

EDIT: Some of the stupidity on here removes some of my faith in the next generation, as well as humanity itself. Some douchebag there by the name of x058261 wrote this:
[quote="z058261"]benchmark - gaming benchmark is what counts. Ps4 is amazing for what it can do, outperforms xbox1 on bf4.
But forza motosport 5 on xbox1 on 1080p/60 looks truly amazing. So it depends on the game in question in any assessment of the hardware credibility. No blanket statement will suffice.
Killer instincts for xbox1 wouldn't be on ps4 or on PC so no comparison on benchmark is ever possible. Ninja Gaiden or Doa future instalments will not ever be released on PC etc etc.
ps4 is 6 time more powerful than ps3 and cheaper than ps3's on launch ...that is progress![/quote]
I kindly replied to this moron (or at least tried to; I had to edit my comment in order for it to be allowed by CNET's bots) with this:
[quote="technology4617"]@z058261 Ahem, benchmarks are not what counts by any stretch of the imagination. What counts are the actual fucking GAMES that are released from the damn thing. Progress would be better games and exclsuives than ever before; graphics shouldn't mean shit. By that logic, the Atari Jaguar should have been an absolutely brilliant and successful console.[/quote]

[Adsolution]

Well, his assessment is one I completely agree with. A console does not suck just because it has a poor library of games, a console with a poor library of games means that the console has a poor library of games, regardless of whether or not the console itself may be in every way better than the console with a good library of games. -This is entirely hypothetical of course, and isn't said with intention of referring to the current console situation, even though some may agree (me being one of those people).

I've also stated before that I'm not in support of Sony's method of constantly buying out exclusives - essentially, they offer developers a handful of money in promise that if their franchise will only be showcased on Sony's console, the amount of money given will surpass that of the money earned by having their game on multiple consoles; it also ups Sony's image, because they've garnered another exclusive, at the sake of the artistic integrity of the developer, who now will only have a third of their original audience actually see their creation. Of course there are companies like Naughty Dog who are one with Sony's image, but the majority of their exclusives are bought out, and I don't find that something to be worthy of praise.

All that aside, the game library is obviously one of the most important things to consider, and, in tandem with the console features, is the most logical way to determine the console you buy. Ironically, the way I see it, if Sony were left without their exclusives, the Xbox One - a console that possesses far fewer exclusives than the PS4 - would not be rivalling the PS4, rather surpassing it in every way imaginable, aside from the performance difference, which is negligible at best and hardly any more significant than the difference between the 360 and PS3.

[Bzzit]

I'm certain Ps4 will muster a great array of exclusives over the next couple of years, Sony has announced numerous times that all their 1st party studios are working on PS4 titles so I can't wait to see what we'll get alongside already announced titles such as Infamous: Second Son, Uncharted and The Order 1886. I hope that whatever next gen console you choose, your happy with it and enjoy what it has to offer! I have my personal preferences to why I'm choosing Ps4, but Xbox 1 will offer some excellent features too and retain great franchises such as Halo, whilst hopefully bringing back some old IP's and creating new ones in the process! The Wii U will inevitably build up a great library of games too, I will pick one of these up eventually.

[Rayfist]

@Adsolution, actually as of the launch's that's kind of flip-flopped. It seems Xbox One is the one with the better, and more exclusives. While the PS4 has mostly indie titles.

Games aside the PS4 will likely be better just like the PS3 last generation, but I'll probably end up with both consoles at some point. Both launch's (except for DR3 of course) look extremely disappointing. Ryse looks like a bunch of gritty quick time events, Knack looks really boring, they both have there downs.

Wii U is undoubtedly the way to go this Holiday season buckos. Never get a console on launch, or near it.

[sonicbrawler182]

Yeah, despite the fact my brother is getting a PS4 at launch, all of the games I will consider buying this holiday season are Wii U, 3DS, or PS3 games.

PS4 will have an exclusive library on the level of the Wii U's growing library eventually, but at launch, it literally has nothing of interest to me.

[Rayfist]

I'll likely get a PS4 in a year or two. Xbox One I'll probably get at the end of the generation, just like what I did with the 360.

[Dark Lum Lord]

It's hard to explain, but I'm more less looking forward to the eighth generation yet I'm not at the same time. My expectations aren't all that high since the seventh generation was a huge disappointment for me, but PS4 has a couple of good release games and it's caused a rise in my expectations and yet I'm afraid that those expectiations are unrealistic. All I'm hoping is that the PS4 will be more of a true PS2 successor unlike PS3.

I'm also convinced that the Xbox One's going to bomb, it's more or less a stripped down 360. 3DS and Wii U also seem to be a bit worthwhile, especially the former. I'm a bit upset by Wii U's controller though. During the Gamecube days Nintendo had quite possibly one of the greatest controllers and they switched it for a shitty remote, and now yet again they have a mediocre non-game console controller. To sum it up I'm mostly disappointed and, funnily enough, the 3DS is the one I'm liking the most this generation and it's only a handheld.

[Rayfist]

I'm also convinced that the Xbox One's going to bomb, it's more or less a stripped down 360

Precisely.

I'm a bit upset by Wii U's controller though. During the Gamecube days Nintendo had quite possibly one of the greatest controllers and they switched it for a shitty remote, and now yet again they have a mediocre non-game console controller.

Luckily, the Wii U has the Game pro controller you can buy, which I'm planning on buying.

[technology4617]

Well, his assessment is one I completely agree with. A console does not suck just because it has a poor library of games, a console with a poor library of games means that the console has a poor library of games, regardless of whether or not the console itself may be in every way better than the console with a good library of games. -This is entirely hypothetical of course, and isn't said with intention of referring to the current console situation, even though some may agree (me being one of those people).

By that logic, an Xbox would be better than a PS2, and a CD-I better than an SNES. Games are what's important, and most consumers will want the console with the better games, in turn making the developer wanting to make games for the more successful console. I really do get where you're coming from with the quality of a console, but, in my opinion, a console is not like a PC; it's a unique system with a unique library of games, thus games (and fanboyism) are what will be important to the sell the thing.

I've also stated before that I'm not in support of Sony's method of constantly buying out exclusives - essentially, they offer developers a handful of money in promise that if their franchise will only be showcased on Sony's console, the amount of money given will surpass that of the money earned by having their game on multiple consoles; it also ups Sony's image, because they've garnered another exclusive, at the sake of the artistic integrity of the developer, who now will only have a third of their original audience actually see their creation. Of course there are companies like Naughty Dog who are one with Sony's image, but the majority of their exclusives are bought out, and I don't find that something to be worthy of praise.

Regardless, a console with good exclusives is a console with good exclusives. It doesn't really matter to the consumer as long as they get a console with decent games.

All that aside, the game library is obviously one of the most important things to consider, and, in tandem with the console features, is the most logical way to determine the console you buy. Ironically, the way I see it, if Sony were left without their exclusives, the Xbox One - a console that possesses far fewer exclusives than the PS4 - would not be rivalling the PS4, rather surpassing it in every way imaginable, aside from the performance difference, which is negligible at best and hardly any more significant than the difference between the 360 and PS3.

That's a matter of opinion, not fact. In my opinion, in this regard, the PS4 surpasses the Xbone, due to its higher performance, given that I, and a lot of people, don't give a shit about Kinect and whether our console can be a DVR.

All I'm hoping is that the PS4 will be more of a true PS2 successor unlike PS3.

I think the PS3 is a great console; it is backwards-compatible with all of their older systems, and has its own great library of exclusives, especially Naughty Dog's offerings.

[sonicbrawler182]

Am I the only one who thinks the Wii U GamePad is a fine controller?

It's literally the Wii U Pro Controller with a touchscreen and gyroscope (both of which are hugely beneficial when used effectively). And while it's obviously big and differently shaped too, it's smaller than I initially thought it looked, and it's super comfortable (honestly, people of at least 14 years old have no reason to worry about the size of the controller, as your hands will likely be big enough anyway). Heck, I haven't touched the Pro Controller in Wind Waker HD, because the GamePad is the far superior option for that game.

I mean, the Pro Controller is really good too, and I use it for playing Tekken Tag Tournament 2, as well as Virtual Console games. But I haven't really wished I could use the Pro Controller in the singleplayer modes of say, Rayman Legends, Sonic Lost World, or ZombiU, because the GamePad works just fine. And even with a game where I would use the Pro Controller, I have no problem switching to the GamePad for Off TV Play when I need to.

Granted, I still think both options should be included where possible, but it's not a big deal to me if a game lacks Pro Controller support.

[technology4617]

Am I the only one who thinks the Wii U GamePad is a fine controller?
It's literally the Wii U Pro Controller with a touchscreen and gyroscope (both of which are hugely beneficial when used effectively). And while it's obviously big and differently shaped too, it's smaller than I initially thought it looked, and it's super comfortable (honestly, people of at least 14 years old have no reason to worry about the size of the controller, as your hands will likely be big enough anyway). Heck, I haven't touched the Pro Controller in Wind Waker HD, because the GamePad is the far superior option for that game.

The battery life kills it a little for me, but I do like the idea of the touchscreen. I've tried one and I found it decent enough. Nothing like the PS4's new controller, though.

[Master]

I've never used the gamepad irl, so I'm not really capable of making much of an opinion on it.

[sonicbrawler182]

Well yeah, the battery life is the only downside of the GamePad, but it's a very minor issue. And I much prefer the touchscreen to the PS4 touchpad.

[technology4617]

And I much prefer the touchscreen to the PS4 touchpad.

I was talking about ergonomics and mechanics, not additional features.

[Rayfist]

Games are what's important, and most consumers will want the console with the better games, in turn making the developer wanting to make games for the more successful console.

Yes, this is EXACTLY what I mean. While I didn't really know about Sony paying for it's exclusives until Ad told me, and I'm not in support of that, it always boils down to games, not these TV features. From what I'm seeing (again except for DR3) there is no reason to be excited about the Xbox One and what it will have to offer from what I'm gathering. Either way, the Xbox One is looking okay now, it was originally shit before presented at E3 during it's announcement, undoubtedly one of the worst console announcements ever. If it weren't for those reversals, the console would have been a piece of shit, so glad Microsoft listened there. I get it, Microsoft is pretty much doing something others aren't, adding more than just gaming, but that's the problem. Consoles are made to game, TV features are sometimes there as they are somewhat present in the Wii U, but for one of the consoles main selling points? No.

[Adsolution]

By that logic, an Xbox would be better than a PS2, and a CD-I better than an SNES.

Well yes, technically it is, but you know what I mean.

in my opinion, a console is not like a PC; it's a unique system with a unique library of games

A PC is also a unique system with a unique library of games, so the decision to buy good enough hardware to PC game (if you don't already have it) pretty much comes from your satisfaction with its library. Almost all PC games (aside from obvious MMOs) have controller support for cross-platform titles as well; even exclusives do.

That's a matter of opinion, not fact. In my opinion, in this regard, the PS4 surpasses the Xbone, due to its higher performance, given that I, and a lot of people, don't give a shit about Kinect and whether our console can be a DVR.

Yeah, that 5% performance difference is really the deal-breaker over all of the One's features, isn't it? It's a matter of opinion on personal preference, sure, but it's not at all a very realistic opinion to put in the mouths of the majority.

[Snagglebee]

in my opinion, a console is not like a PC; it's a unique system with a unique library of games

A PC is also a unique system with a unique library of games, so the decision to buy good enough hardware to PC game (if you don't already have it) pretty much comes from your satisfaction with its library. Almost all PC games (aside from obvious MMOs) have controller support for cross-platform titles as well; even exclusives do.

Yup. However, PC games of this generation do have better graphics compared to consoles. However you'll need a expensive setup to archieve enough performance.

[Rayfist]

Speaking of Xbox One, I just pre-ordered Super Mario 3D World and Zelda: A Link Between Worlds. I bring Xbox One into this because both games come out the exact same day as the Xbox One, my game store will likely be crowded XD.

[OCG]

Wii U at the beginning had not so many games, but now, it's definitely a must get console for Nintendo fan, PS4 is lacking games but thats because it's new. When PS4 gets Ratchet, Sly and maybe Jak by some other company (Naughty Dog admitted they would not do a justice to Jak), I will buy it. Crash is also getting some rumors lately (again), so if they have Crash on PS4, I am rushing in store to get one if that happens. Xbox One, I am not interested.

[Adsolution]

Missed this:

I get it, Microsoft is pretty much doing something others aren't, adding more than just gaming, but that's the problem. Consoles are made to game, TV features are sometimes there as they are somewhat present in the Wii U, but for one of the consoles main selling points? No.

You're still clearly and unfairly slamming down the 'consoles are for gaming' token with no reason behind it whatsoever - that's bigotry in its most literal form. Why can't it do more than just game, why is that a problem? The One is made to be a living room media centre to appeal to a much wider scope of usage, and saying that 'consoles are for gaming' despite the fact that it's not attempting to even solely be a gaming machine is the literal equivalent of claiming that relationships are only meant to be strictly between a man and a woman. Yes, I made that analogy, as it's a perfectly valid one.