List of ranks

[Ray502]

Do we really want Raymesis to be the baddie again? How about Dark Rayman instead? (Or whoever Adventures says he really is! )

No, it should be Ales as the baddie rank. Raymesis is a hero, so having him as a baddie rank is just baffling and wrong.

Eh, better stick to the good side we have already, the Magician.

I improved the RL rank, and replaced Raymesis with Dark Rayman, as he appears in Legends. Maybe these can be special ranks for the time being, since the rank system would have to be redone?

[Harpic fraîcheur]

Hey, that's my Dark Rayman icon from the Wiki!

[PluMGMK]

Do we really want Raymesis to be the baddie again? How about Dark Rayman instead? (Or whoever Adventures says he really is! )

No, it should be Ales as the baddie rank. Raymesis is a hero, so having him as a baddie rank is just baffling and wrong.

Eh, better stick to the good side we have already, the Magician.

Well, even though I'm having trouble with the notion of Ales being up on top, I'm not sure if this is a good reason not to put him there. After all, Reflux is already there twice. Granted, he's on the baddies list both times, but still the situation isn't that different. In both cases the second appearance is a character that has changed significantly due to rage that has been allowed to fester, ultimately leading to betrayal (don't forget that Reflux betrayed his race by stealing the Sceptre!).

[Ray502]

After all, Reflux is already there twice. Granted, he's on the baddies list both times, but still the situation isn't that different.

Here's the thing, Reflux was willing to betray Gumsi because of Andre bringing up the subject of revenge on Rayman, and in part, by stealing the Leptys and using its immense power. Ales was always good, until he began to admire Mr Dark. He didn't want revenge on Rayman, per se.

In both cases the second appearance is a character that has changed significantly due to rage that has been allowed to fester, ultimately leading to betrayal

About Ales, he probably would've had a very similar look if not the same if it wasn't for his redesign to better suit Rayman's world in Origins style. Another thing is that he is now a part of the Teensie species. I don't see many members wanting to have a Teensie rank when they get to 250,000 Tings. All the other Teensies are gained by having an amount in the thousands.

Special rank for Ales? Sure. 250-300k Tings rank? Not so sure.

[PluMGMK]

I certainly agree with your point about his being a Teensie. Whatever about having him twice on the ranklist (probably no need) I really don't think he should be way up there.

[Bradandez]

I'm talking about the Legends rank and this guy but as you say it… Obviously back when this ranklist was put in place we believed the character to be Bad Rayman, even though he appeared as a hero. Since he's not actually Bad Rayman it is weird having him as a baddie, but… seriously? Ales? The top (or second-to-top if we add a Legends level) baddie? I'm sorry, it just doesn't work in my head.

How? He's certainly the main villain of Origins and Legends. Even of that doesn't work in YOUR head, it doesn't mean he's not a villain.

Also, could be a spoiler for people who haven't played it yet

It's shown that Ales is a villain in the intro of Legends, that should void spoilers. Also, we have Reflux's Final form as one of the ranks. Your argument doesn't hold up.

I can definitely make a better rank list that has a fair amount of representation and logic reasoning behind it seeing how the ideas being tossed here are not good at all.

[PluMGMK]

I'm talking about the Legends rank and this guy but as you say it… Obviously back when this ranklist was put in place we believed the character to be Bad Rayman, even though he appeared as a hero. Since he's not actually Bad Rayman it is weird having him as a baddie, but… seriously? Ales? The top (or second-to-top if we add a Legends level) baddie? I'm sorry, it just doesn't work in my head.

How? He's certainly the main villain of Origins and Legends. Even of that doesn't work in YOUR head, it doesn't mean he's not a villain.

As Ray said, he's a Teensie. Teensies at the top of the ranklist… Eh…

I can definitely make a better rank list that has a fair amount of representation and logic reasoning behind it seeing how the ideas being tossed here are not good at all.

Well I'd certainly like to see it.

[Ambidextroid]

Also, could be a spoiler for people who haven't played it yet

It's shown that Ales is a villain in the intro of Legends, that should void spoilers. Also, we have Reflux's Final form as one of the ranks. Your argument doesn't hold up.

Ah, right, I see. I guess I haven't played it in a while
Though I do agree with PluM, I'm not sure a villain like Ales really has the impact that Dark Rayman or the other final bosses have

[Ray502]

This would be a good spot for Ales Mansay, which would cause a reshuffle of the ranks.

Level 42 (70000 to 80000 Tings)
Magician vs. Ales Mansay

[PluMGMK]

Or we could just replace Grolem 13 and say no more about it!

[Bradandez]

Also, could be a spoiler for people who haven't played it yet

It's shown that Ales is a villain in the intro of Legends, that should void spoilers. Also, we have Reflux's Final form as one of the ranks. Your argument doesn't hold up.

Ah, right, I see. I guess I haven't played it in a while
Though I do agree with PluM, I'm not sure a villain like Ales really has the impact that Dark Rayman or the other final bosses have

Oh really?

Yea, because the final fight with Mr. Dark was such an impact! Oh wait, you just fought fusions of previous bosses.

Reflux was the final boss but he wasn't the main villain. He was just a minion swayed and was under control of André.

You guys are just being heavily biased on this topic and I have to say that's just really unfair. And I don't want that for the Rank List. I want the list to have a fair share of representation for all Rayman characters and games.

[Ambidextroid]

You guys are just being heavily biased on this topic and I have to say that's just really unfair. And I don't want that for the Rank List. I want the list to have a fair share of representation for all Rayman characters and games.

I'm not sure how it's "biased", it's just voicing opinions. Personally I wouldn't have any real problem with Ales being top of the list, I just don't think he's as fitting (though I think Ray's idea of having Ales be the baddie Magician is actually really good).
And when I said "impact", I was more referring to the character them self than the actual boss battle. When I think of Ales I don't think of an epic baddie. Though, as I said, I'm all for Ales being included, I'm just not sure he fits at the top.

[Shrooblord]

I mean, I'd find Jano a more suitable top-level baddie than Ales. And that's not because the Jano battle was so amazingly memorable (because it's not that good, really. I mean, honestly, come one, look at it), but because Jano is an incredibly awesome character.

I don't have the same feeling for Ales.

However, I must agree with Brad, that if we're going to put "logic and consistency" in the ranklist by making all the top tiers the main Rayman games' Rayman vs. that game's main villain, it makes no sense to not put Ales alongside Rayman from Legends, just because we don't appreciate Ales' design.

On the other hand, the ranklist is the ranklist and that's ultimately something that we ourselves curate and put together - if many more people dislike having "a Teensie" as the top rank as opposed to something like a mutated Knaaren, that's something we can tailor the ranklist towards, since that's what the community wants. Even if it defies logic and causes inconsistencies, and is a little bit racist towards Teensies.

But it depends: what do we appreciate more: internal consistency towards the top-most ranks, or "awesome factor"? Personally I'm more of an "awesome factor" guy. Being able to look up to badass ranks makes you want to rank up really badly (which is neat for driving people to participate in Ting hoarding games like TTQ and Record Day, and posting sprees, which are tools in helping bringing us closer together as a community). However, I totally get Brad's point on consistency and bias, and agree with him on that front.

[Ray502]

However, I must agree with Brad, that if we're going to put "logic and consistency" in the ranklist by making all the top tiers the main Rayman games' Rayman vs. that game's main villain, it makes no sense to not put Ales alongside Rayman from Legends, just because we don't appreciate Ales' design.

We never said anything about Ales not wanting to be at the top because of his design, we said that him being there just doesn't seem to fit right. And if y'all want the ranklist to be Rayman vs. the game's main villain, which does make complete sense, why isn't Andre right next to the Rayman 3 rank? He's technically the main villain, even though Rayman doesn't fight him as the final boss. Rayman and his friends don't fight Ales, they lead him to the explosion that supposedly kills him.

I'm for the awesome factor, but for the heck of it, let's try these two tests. Which has that awesome factor?

Test 1:

Rayman Origins vs. Raymesis

Rayman Origins vs. Ales Mansay

Test 2:

Rayman Legends vs. Dark Rayman

Rayman Legends vs. Dark Teensie

The 250k Tings users would most likely prefer Raymesis over Ales Mansay, and for 300k Tings users, Dark Rayman over Dark Teensie. Logic would dictate that Ales would be the better choice over Raymesis, and Dark Teensie over Dark Rayman.

There is no doubt room for improvement with the ranklist, we just need more opinions from other members, most specifically the richest members.

[Keane]

If you're arguing Ales is too gay to be a top rank then the list needs a complete overhaul, there's plenty better ranks below worse ranks. A zoomed out full-body pic of Clark over Ly, Murfy, and the Magician? Razorbeard is like the shittiest rank and it's in the top 3.

Something I brought up in my application was replacing the list of ranks with a sort of rank "store" where people can use tings to purchase ranks at different prices, giving them more freedom to choose which ones they like while still having an incentive to earn tings.

I also think that once you enter the point where it starts taking like 10,000 tings to rank up you lose interest in the system and earning tings through a contest or being deducted some by a mod is less impactful, because you weren't gonna see it change till Record Day anyway.

[Shrooblord]

I was about to say; we're doing a lot of speaking for the members who'd apply for these ranks, though I'd like to hear more from the actual people who currently would apply for that rank or are close to reaching it in the (near) future.

Interesting point about a store, Keane. I'm milling it over in my head, and I must say, I kinda like it.

PS
And yes, I'd appreaciate a close-up of Clark ("Raymaaan!" scene is great for that) more than what we have now. It's blurry and not very pretty.

[Fifo]

Somebody screwed up that Ales Mansay rank’s corner (circled):

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[Bradandez]

Still working on the ranks, but here's an idea for the Dark Teensies' rank.

[Hunchman801]

Just saying, we can't use the name Ales Mansay in the ranklist because it was (thankfully) scrapped from the final game. Damn pig latin.

[Ray502]

Magician vs. Ales Mansay (Dark Teensie)?

I fail to understand how this doesn't fit the best.

Got a prototype look of the new Clark and Razorbeard rank. The Hunter rank seems out of place so I did his Origins look.