Religion – your views

Tobbe said:

I reposted it for the sake of RayTunes, who didn't have a clue what was going on, and who apparently was too lazy to figure it out himself.

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3DS doesn't have YouTube access. I don't use it anymore now, so I got to watch the video. Ugh, I hate that guy. I hope he won't become president, because then America would become even more of a religious anti-gay country. :confus:

Thought this might be funny.
It's big though.

Ummm.... there is blasphemy, there is wishful thinking, and then comes THIS. Not abusing, not amusing.

To the groove! DJesus!

I've got a question.
I believe in God, because if God doesn't exist, there is no ''goal'' in life.
See it like Minecraft, you make a base, you mine a bit, you get a diamond pickaxe.
Now what?
What could you possibly do next?
What happens when you die?
Everything you've done and ''fought'' for, will mean nothing, because there are millions of others.
God promises ''eternal life''.
Atheism ''promises'' death.
Most Atheists also don't believe in souls, when my brain dies, so does my consciousness.
You'll be literally ''erased''.

Now then, my question would be: Why are most of you here atheists? It's like believing human lifes are worth ''nothing''.

NOTE TO SPIRAL: Every word with hooks like this: '' should not be taken too seriously.
When I say that Atheism promises death, I don't mean it litterally, I mean that they say that there is nothing beyond death.

Despite being a believer, I must disagree, believing for the sake of believing is unbelievably close to the atheism.

Well, it's a remarkable piece of illogic. I want Santa Claus to exist, but that doesn't mean I'm going to start believing in him.

stan423321 said:

Despite being a believer, I must disagree, believing for the sake of believing is unbelievably close to the atheism.

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Atheism can be looked at multiple ways. Honestly I see atheism as possibly meaning two things: 1, not believing in a superior power, and 2, believing in scientific explanations. However, just like anything else, it doesn't take work not to believe in something if you're secure with yourself. It's just simply a decision over rational thinking.

I've given reasons why I believe in God before, but my arguments were weak.
I'm not believing because I have to believe, that's moronic.

Edit: Rayfan, if those are the only reasons why you don't believe in God, you're not an atheist.
You only believe in Science. :?

Rsandee said:

I've given reasons why I believe in God before, but my arguments were weak.
I'm not believing because I have to believe, that's moronic.

Edit: Rayfan, if those are the only reasons why you don't believe in God, you're not an atheist.
You only believe in Science. :?

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Sorry I was in a bit of a rush. I'll rephrase what I said:

Atheism is purely the state of not believing in a superior power. It doesn't matter for what rational reason, though for it to be somewhat rational you'd think one would believe in a scientific explanation. If you don't want to delve into the realms of science and only have enough rational reasoning to state in your opinion that a god doesn't exist, then that's fine too.

Thus said, I disagree with stan's above statement. If you're true to any religion, agnosticism, or atheism, then you're not believing just for the sake of believing. You'd have your own opinions that you can explain in your own words.

Atheists believe in a big explosion that somehow created a bunch of planets in universe and animals simply changed form until they were human. Sounds crazy tight? Well, I still prefer it over a man who somehow exists (Who created God?) and just makes some planets in a few days. In this place he makes people poor, makes people die, and punishes them for being gay or not believing in him. His reason is: He works in ''mysterious'' ways. I'll go with atheism. :confus:

RayTunes said:

Atheists believe in a big explosion that somehow created a bunch of planets in universe and animals simply changed form until they were human. Sounds crazy tight? Well, I still prefer it over a man who somehow exists (Who created God?) and just makes some planets in a few days. In this place he makes people poor, makes people die, and punishes them for being gay or not believing in him. His reason is: He works in ''mysterious'' ways. I'll go with atheism. :confus:

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Why, please, WHY does every single atheist come with THIS argument?

People make wars, God doesn't.
After we colonized Africa, we just left.
It's OUR fault Africa is in this state. (however, we can't help them, since they need to develop their countries on their own)
Conclusion: God doesn't make people die, we do.
God doesn't make people poor, we do. (seriously, what could God possibly gain from this?)
God doesn't punish people for being gay or not believing in him.
There is no ''hell'', some catholics also agree with that. (Note for Spiral: You don't have to believe every single line of a religion to actually follow it)
Blah blah blah, he sure works in ''myserious ways''. :boon:
No, he just made the planet, put us on it; and after the years the church went mad with power. (which is why the church should never have a role in politics)
And now we're practically destroying the planet and with that ourselves.

Ffs, you can't rely on God with everything, you'll have to live your own life; that's why God made you. (If you believe in him)

Rsandee said:

NOTE TO SPIRAL: Every word with hooks like this: '' should not be taken too seriously.
When I say that Atheism promises death, I don't mean it litterally, I mean that they say that there is nothing beyond death.

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:lol:

Rsandee said:

Why, please, WHY does every single atheist come with THIS argument?

People make wars, God doesn't.
After we colonized Africa, we just left.
It's OUR fault Africa is in this state. (however, we can't help them, since they need to develop their countries on their own)
Conclusion: God doesn't make people die, we do.
God doesn't make people poor, we do. (seriously, what could God possibly gain from this?)
God doesn't punish people for being gay or not believing in him.
There is no ''hell'', some catholics also agree with that. (Note for Spiral: You don't have to believe every single line of a religion to actually follow it)
Blah blah blah, he sure works in ''myserious ways''. :boon:
No, he just made the planet, put us on it; and after the years the church went mad with power. (which is why the church should never have a role in politics)
And now we're practically destroying the planet and with that ourselves.

Ffs, you can't rely on God with everything, you'll have to live your own life; that's why God made you. (If you believe in him)

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Well, if I were the perfect person, i'd simply have a good time instead of having to look over a planet full of dumbfucks.
Other people talk about hell, or evil homosexuals, Scientology and Allah the exact way you talk about your religion. Rowan Atkinson once made a joke where he plays the devil and says ''Sorry, but im afraid the Jews were correct.'' How can you be sure your religion is even true? How can you know if freakin' Allah is real?

According to Mormons, everything is controlled by God except for the choice of believing or not. How can you be sure they aren't correct? They also make people go on their ''mission'' where they go to a different country to go and ask people to join his religion. Strangely, these are always countries with many poor people, obviously because they don't have much hope and think God will be their last chance.

There is even an existing book about ''how to make people believe in God.'' It was found in the secret documents of the United States, which have been pirated.

If there is no hell, then I have to go to heaven. BUT, I don't believe, so I must die, but according to you being ''erased'' from life is a silly statement. What will happen then? Plus, for those who do believe in Hell, why would the Devil punish us. I mean, were just like him! We could be best buddies. :mrgreen:

Meh, I don't think God would just have us do with he planet in any way we want. And what about other planets then? Are they just there for a bit of decoration?

Rsandee said:

I've got a question.
I believe in God, because if God doesn't exist, there is no ''goal'' in life.
See it like Minecraft, you make a base, you mine a bit, you get a diamond pickaxe.
Now what?
What could you possibly do next?
What happens when you die?
Everything you've done and ''fought'' for, will mean nothing, because there are millions of others.
God promises ''eternal life''.
Atheism ''promises'' death.
Most Atheists also don't believe in souls, when my brain dies, so does my consciousness.
You'll be literally ''erased''.

Now then, my question would be: Why are most of you here atheists? It's like believing human lifes are worth ''nothing''.

NOTE TO SPIRAL: Every word with hooks like this: '' should not be taken too seriously.
When I say that Atheism promises death, I don't mean it litterally, I mean that they say that there is nothing beyond death.

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It must be fun to check out various beliefs, see which one sounds the nicest, then decide to believe passionately in it. As I have said many times, atheism implies a grim future of death and non-existence for all of us. The simple fact that this is an awful prospect does not mean that it’s incorrect, as the universe is not an inherently nice place. Maybe your brain is wired in such a way that you can choose to abandon logic and select more pleasant beliefs. Unfortunately I prefer real logic. I’m not trying to convince you: feel free to continue believing in God for what’s left of your life – you will never know that you were wrong.

Rsandee said:

There is no ''hell'', some catholics also agree with that. (Note for Spiral: You don't have to believe every single line of a religion to actually follow it)

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Why do you keep addressing sidenotes to me? I don’t see what I’m supposed to do with this one.

To avoid endless conversations. :?
And I understand your point.

@Raytunes, I have mixed thoughts about your wall, on one side I kind of agree with you, but on the other I don't know wtf is going on.
I just told you why Africa is the world's shithole, and now you're going on with the atheism thing.
I just proved that God didn't do anything (come on atheists, if you don't believe in him, don't think HE did it) with the world's hunger.
It's like that South Park episode where Cartman had a bowl of water, and put semen (Sea-men, semen :')) in it.
Later on, they ''evolved'' and built statues of Cartman, after that there was a war and they fired missles at eachother, killing themselves and breaking the bowl.
Cartman couldn't help it because he didn't ''make'' the missles, and he didn't have anything to do with the war or anything else.
There's also a Futurama episode which makes the same point.
God doesn't ''controll'' our actions, he gave us free will.

There is even an existing book about ''how to make people believe in God.'' It was found in the secret documents of the United States, which have been pirated.

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Any evidence?
This could very well be a hoax, since you can't believe anything nowadays.

Meh, I don't think God would just have us do with he planet in any way we want. And what about other planets then? Are they just there for a bit of decoration?

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Just where in the Bible did God say that?
And just where did he say that there aren't any other planets, or aliens (not saying they exist :boon or anything else?

How do you know Allah is real?

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Assuming ''Allah'' isn't the same as the christian God, even though ''Allah'' means ''god'', he could exist.
Buddha could exist too, nowhere in the Bible does it say that God is the only god, God only said that he was a ''jealous'' God and he doesn't want us to ''worship'' them. (Because HE made us, if you believe in him)

Every time I read one of Rsandee's posts, my brain is on the verge of imploding.

It seems to me the only reason you think god exists is because you think it's more comforting than the alternative, and that you don't really in your heart of hearts believe it. You keep saying this is false, but every single post where you adress the motives of your faith is evidence to the contrary. Those of us who are Atheists are simply not intellectually dishonest enough to let subjective emotions get in the way of the obvious fact that there's no convincing evidence for god's existence; we care more about what's actually true, than what we want to be true.

Tobbe said:

Every time I read one of Rsandee's posts, my brain is on the verge of imploding.

It seems to me the only reason you think god exists is because you think it's more comforting than the alternative, and that you don't really in your heart of hearts believe it. You keep saying this is false, but every single post where you adress the motives of your faith is evidence to the contrary. Those of us who are Atheists are simply not intellectually dishonest enough to let subjective emotions get in the way of the obvious fact that there's no convincing evidence for god's existance; we care more about what's actually true, than what we want to be true.

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I love you Tobbe for two reasons: 1, we agree on everything. 2, You're crazy good at describing things to-the-point. On a side-note, you spelled existence wrong.

Ummmmmmm...I want to say that God does NOT hate homosexuals. The Bible was written by more than one person, in separate books. If the Lord hated homosexuality, then He would probably hate heterosexuality as well. Love is love. Anywho, really, to start religious arguments based on "oh I believe in God" or "I don't believe in God" proves to be pointless to me. Of course I do believe in Him. But if you believe in something else, or much rather nothing in all, (superior being-wise) then so be it. I don't care, really. Anywho...

Rsandee said:

@Raytunes,
I just proved that God didn't do anything (come on atheists, if you don't believe in him, don't think HE did it) with the world's hunger.

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Well, I never saw any prove of God's existence, that the Bible is true, or that HE has ever done anything. So far we're still at the same level.

Rsandee said:

It's like that South Park episode where Cartman had a bowl of water, and put semen (Sea-men, semen :')) in it.
Later on, they ''evolved'' and built statues of Cartman, after that there was a war and they fired missles at eachother, killing themselves and breaking the bowl.
Cartman couldn't help it because he didn't ''make'' the missles, and he didn't have anything to do with the war or anything else.
There's also a Futurama episode which makes the same point.
God doesn't ''controll'' our actions, he gave us free will.

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Well, in that case, i'll just tell him he's a complete idiot.

And to prove it, I took an image of it.

Rsandee said:

Any evidence?
This could very well be a hoax, since you can't believe anything nowadays.

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It's on my brothers computer. I can't download it on mine. It is extremely large and makes his computer slow.
Meh, making a hoax that large would take years and years. Not even the troll king, Trololol, would put so much effort into making fake crap.

Rsandee said:

Just where in the Bible did God say that?
And just where did he say that there aren't any other planets, or aliens (not saying they exist :boon or anything else?

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My boy, I gave up with reading after the first sentence. You know Murphy's famous quote: ''It's all in here. If you read, you'll find your way out. Once upon a time there were lums, harmony, love, peace BORING!''
That's what the Mormons say about aliens and such.

Rsandee said:

Assuming ''Allah'' isn't the same as the christian God, even though ''Allah'' means ''god'', he could exist.
Buddha could exist too, nowhere in the Bible does it say that God is the only god, God only said that he was a ''jealous'' God and he doesn't want us to ''worship'' them. (Because HE made us, if you believe in him)

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Oh, but then that could that it is possibly true that Allah told Bin Laden was told have people fly through a building? If Buddha existed, that would be pretty cool though.

Random funny joke:

:mrgreen: