Rayman himself

[spiraldoor]

Questioning people about it may not be wise, but I still find it a fascinating subject – the sort of things technology is enabling people to do with their bodies...

[Danone]

What happened to Th3()ne? He is banned or he left?

[Reese Riverson]

Questioning people about it may not be wise, but I still find it a fascinating subject – the sort of things technology is enabling people to do with their bodies...

Before we know it... they'll come up with a way to make people animal like for the heck of it.

[spiraldoor]

I’m afraid there’s a particular subculture whose members would like that very much.

[Reese Riverson]

What subculture is that?

[spiraldoor]

They call themselves... furries.

Some of our members have attempted to exterminate them in the past; it didn’t go well.

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[Reese Riverson]

They call themselves... furries.

Some of our members have attempted to exterminate them in the past; it didn’t go well.

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I didn't know we had such people here at RaymanPC, but what I want to know is why some members wanted to exterminate them?

Were they really causing harm to others that I completely missed?

[spiraldoor]

I don’t think Comment ? and Canard WC genuinely wanted to kill furries; the thread was just for making fun of them. I don’t know how harmful furries really are, but some of the links Comment ? provided in the original post are quite disturbing.

[Adsolution]

It’s interesting how you shrug off your genetic identity as if it’s some inconsequential little thing that doesn’t matter. In reality, every cell of your body is still fundamentally male; softening your features, increasing the pitch of your voice and surgically removing those pesky reproductive organs won’t change this. By all means, feel free to think of yourself however you wish; just don’t act indignant when people have different standards than you.

It is inconsequential. It has no effect on me whatsoever, therefore it doesn't matter. I'll try not to be indignant about it, but I'm not going to accept people not addressing me with my preferred pronouns here.

Funny, how I kept wondering that very thing, but I wasn't sure if it was something to even mention. Why someone wants to try to change their gender is beyond me, but what he did really makes me want to call him a "he-she" or "she-he"... or just plain "he-he".

It's the same reason why someone would have the extreme deepest desire to do anything, because I did not feel right as a male - I felt completely wrong. In fact, I didn't even know I was 'male' until I was five years old. People tend to overthink this subject. It's merely a change. Why is changing gender any different than getting, lets say, the pigments of your hair colour changed permanently from black to red? You can't honestly say that you still have black hair, because you would quite obviously have red hair, regardless of your "genetic identity." My official birth certificate says 'female,' so calling me a male would also be legal misidentification.

Mind you, it was much more than a deep, meaningless desire.

BarkingChaos here is on the right track: why does it matter so much? Gender modification could be as simple as anything else, but lets just say I'm doing it "before it was popular."

Man... I can't imagine what his parents had to of thought of something like this... I know a lot of parents would freak out. 21st century or not. It just still seems so... wrong.

Does your grandfather trying to burn you to death count?

[spiraldoor]

It is inconsequential. It has no effect on me whatsoever, therefore it doesn't matter. I'll try not to be indignant about it, but I'm not going to accept people not addressing me with my preferred pronouns here.

No one is entitled to force their beliefs on anyone else. I don’t find it endearing when people try to control my language. You can’t make people think of you as female any more than they can make you think of yourself as male. What if I decided that I was born in the wrong country, and that I’m really African on the inside? I could even dye my skin to make myself resemble one. If you said I was still Irish after this, what would that make you? I hope you can understand why not everyone agrees with your views on sex and sexuality.

It's the same reason why someone would have the extreme deepest desire to do anything, because I did not feel right as a male - I felt completely wrong. In fact, I didn't even know I was 'male' until I was five years old. People tend to overthink this subject. It's merely a change. Why is changing gender any different than getting, lets say, the pigments of your hair colour changed permanently from black to red? You can't honestly say that you still have black hair, because you would quite obviously have red hair, regardless of your "genetic identity."

I think that the biological reality of what you are is more important than whatever psychological quirk caused you to identify as a female. Every cell of your body contains and was built by male DNA. You were raised as a boy, and spent the first, what, thirteen or fourteen years of your life living and accumulating experience as one. Not only do you lack the female reproductive system, but the genetic instructions required for one are not even present in the completely male DNA that permeates every fibre of your physical being. Taking all of these things into account, I think it’s reasonable to conclude that you are distinctly different from a natural female, and I would like my views on the matter to be accorded the same respect and protection that you seek for your own.

My official birth certificate says 'female,' so calling me a male would also be legal misidentification.

Your birth certificate actually says you were born female? But that’s not true – it’s a direct and deliberate misrepresentation of the facts. I find this sort of fantasy historical revisionism quite worrying. Perhaps one day everyone will be able to retcon their official records to say whatever it is that they want.

[Adsolution]

No one is entitled to force their beliefs on anyone else. I don’t find it endearing when people try to control my language. You can’t make people think of you as female any more than they can make you think of yourself as male. What if I decided that I was born in the wrong country, and that I’m really African on the inside? I could even dye my skin to make myself resemble one. If you said I was still Irish after this, what would that make you? I hope you can understand why not everyone agrees with your views on sex and sexuality.

I never said I wasn't born female, now did I? I said I have become female. And I never said I had to force my beliefs onto you or anyone, but I can at least expect people to use something as simple as female pronouns, especially in Hoodcom's case. He's been addressing me as a female up until now, so I'm dismayed and saddened to see it stop now over saying "it's against my nature to call you female." No it isn't against anyone's nature. It's merely a choice made through understanding or the lack of it. Besides, this is my lifelong identity, I have only one of those, and I will only ever have one.

I think that the biological reality of what you are is more important than whatever psychological quirk caused you to identify as a female.

I disagree, that's all there is to it.

Also, I'm not disrespecting your posts, if that's what you were wondering.

[spiraldoor]

Demanding that people refer to you as female even when they do not consider you to be female is forcing your views on them. I wish we could return to the good old days before political correctness became the norm – when everyone could just say whatever they wanted, and activists focused their attention on real-world problems rather than linguistic ones.

[BarkingChaos]

But there is also the matter of respect someone's wishes. Why is this conversation still going?

[Adsolution]

Demanding that people refer to you as female even when they do not consider you to be female is forcing your views on them. I wish we could return to the good old days before political correctness became the norm – when everyone could just say whatever they wanted, and activists focused their attention on real-world problems rather than linguistic ones.

This all boils down to real-world problems. For some people, that one little pronoun can mean the difference between life and death.

[spiraldoor]

Pronouns aren’t a matter of life and death on this forum, though, and that’s what we’re discussing.

[Reese Riverson]

I guess I could get used to using different pronouns for you. This is just... really... new.

[Adsolution]

I guess I could get used to using different pronouns for you. This is just... really... new.

You've never heard of a "sex change" before? Well I suppose everyone has a first time. It's been around since 1934, so it technically isn't new.

Pronouns aren’t a matter of life and death on this forum, though, and that’s what we’re discussing.

They can be, you never know.

[Shrooblord]

It’s a direct and deliberate misrepresentation of the facts. I find this sort of fantasy historical revisionism quite worrying. Perhaps one day everyone will be able to retcon their official records to say whatever it is that they want.

At least we all know Eurasia has always been at war with Eastasia.
Rectify 01 02 2012 RPC comment Shrooblord: ref historical untruth.

Look, if someone wants you to call them something, merely because it makes them feel better, you could at least consider doing it, no? Sure, you could disregard their request if you wish, but I'm not sure that would help anyone.

Also, this.

I have one of Rayman too, though I don't think it's quite as good. Does anyone want to see?

[Reese Riverson]

You've never heard of a "sex change" before? Well I suppose everyone has a first time. It's been around since 1934, so it technically isn't new.

They can be, you never know.

How old are you anyway?

1934?

[Rulez]

You've never heard of a "sex change" before? Well I suppose everyone has a first time. It's been around since 1934, so it technically isn't new.

They can be, you never know.

How old are you anyway?

1934?

You can clearly see in her profile that she's five. Please, Hoodcom.