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PE theory sounds like an oxymoron to me

Nah i'd geuss it be like "Such and such is in this postion, to acheive such and such how should such and such move?". (If that even made any sense xp)

PE covers anatomy and physiology as well as actually playing sport. I rejected it as an option in my education (because I hate it), so I have a pretty dense understanding but I do know a large proportion of it is theoretical.

Biology should cover those, and PE shouldn't exist.

Serza5 wrote: "Such and such is in this postion, to acheive such and such how should such and such move?".

Hmmm, sounds interesting...

PE theory is quite a large and heavy subject which is mandatory for people taking sports in Norwegian high schools. Like Xenon said, it covers a lot of physiology and anatomy, and it teaches how to exercise correctly and how to set up long term and short term exercise schedules and stuff like that.

On a different note: When I was in school I didn't find it difficoult at all to combine school and internet. I spent a lot of hours online and I still managed to get good enough grades to get into medical school. And I had a group of good and close friends who I still hang out with whenever I get the chance. Combining the army with PC is a different story, though. I don't get to come on here nearly as much as I'd like.

And while we're on the subject: Another thing that's hard to combine with PC is a broken finger. I have to type with just one hand. It takes forever and it's really annoying.

Actually in Portugal, High School's courses have the Physical Education subject as obligatory to frequent for the whole 3 years, 4 hours per week.

One of the obligatory evaluation elements are the tests (which are theorical). They involve units like Health and Lifestyle, the rules of each sport that is given in the subject (Football, American Football, Athletism, Voleyball, Basketball, Aerobic, etc). I think the test counts as 10% of the entire mark in each term.

But my problem is, I think its a complete nonsense existing this subject in the Visual Arts course (and the other ones) as an obligatory subject. This should be optional. The Ministery of Education gives the excuse of sedentarism prevention, but even like that this is unfair for people who haven't got any physical attributes or they just haven't any abilities or taste to play sports correctly, and unfair for the average mark of the lective year of those students, that causes great damage when all the other marks are from subjects in which you study. I went to Visual Arts to draw, not to kill myself in pressups, workouts and almost throwing up in resistance evaluations.

Like this, the Ministery of Education makes me think that a student of Visual Arts needs to have P.E. to draw a football field and it's landscape by holding a canvas and a paintbrush while sprinting to the goalkeeper with a ball between their feet; or that a student of Science and Technology needs P.E. to run with a Rugby ball while holding several graduated cylinders with chemicals to find the correct formula to create Magnesium Chloride. Of course I'm saying this in a sarcastic tone.

We have the most pointless subject ever this year... PD (personal development)

Aka. it's there for no other reason than to just fill up space on our timetable.
I'm being forced to do PE until Christmas for 2 hours a week and then after that I'll have to do other subjects , such as Home ec., CDT, Computing... It's a waste of time when we could be doing better things with our time, like, maybe free periods or the subjects we actually took up??

Jewish Candy wrote:

Acarr wrote: I'm sorry but, why hang with people you don't get on with?

Sometimes, in school, you don't really have much of a choice... God, Scotland can't be THAT different to England!

Um, what? How do you not have a choice? Surely there are plenty of other people you can meet?
Maybe it's because I go to a public school where the pupils come from loads of different surrounding towns. We're all friendly people xD (other than the neds but they all leave school early so there's no problem).

PD? What exactly is that? I don't remember ever having that, well the name certianly doesn't come to mind.

Physical PE has nothing to do with academic intelligence so it's a poor indicator of intellectual ability. I'm pretty clueless as to why education allows students to take up (and attain qualifications from) a subject that revolves around personal enjoyment.

Acarr wrote:I'm sorry but, why hang with people you don't get on with?

As I said, in school you need to have friends. How do you view the prospect of sitting alone in a classroom full of teenagers?

Xenon wrote:Physical PE has nothing to do with academic intelligence so it's a poor indicator of intellectual ability. I'm pretty clueless as to why education allows students to take up (and attain qualifications from) a subject that revolves around personal enjoyment.

Well, why should academics be the only purpose of education? With your reasoning, there wouldn't be any point in Art courses etc. Then again, if you are implying that PE-type stuff should be as normal as eating each day, and not as a school 'subject'... then I'm with ya.

Xenon wrote:Physical PE has nothing to do with academic intelligence so it's a poor indicator of intellectual ability.

That's why I never studied for P.E. tests, as a protest. My teacher was always yelling at me anyways, she knew I hated P.E. aswell that I found it as just a waste of time that doesn't benefit anything in intellectual terms.

Plus I always answered to the teacher that I had more important stuff to take care than reading useless sports rules that don't have any interest on my side.

Jewish Candy wrote:Well, why should academics be the only purpose of education?

The purpose of education is to educate, and in my opinion no intelligence can be conjured from playing sport or drawing pictures. The fact that subjects like art, PE and music are available for qualifications gives those who are talented/those who enjoy the subjects natural advantages.

Perhaps those subjects shouldn't be removed from schools though. Maybe that was a little OTT. But I do believe those subjects are totally irrelevant from an educational point of view.

Xenon wrote:

Jewish Candy wrote:Well, why should academics be the only purpose of education?

The purpose of education is to educate, and in my opinion no intelligence can be conjured from playing sport or drawing pictures.

For some reason the Drawing A subject, Arts Office, Multimedia Office B and History of Culture and Arts subject here in High School are exclusive subjects of the Visual Arts course. It isn't present in other courses for logical reasons.

Xenon wrote:

Jewish Candy wrote:Well, why should academics be the only purpose of education?

The purpose of education is to educate, and in my opinion no intelligence can be conjured from playing sport or drawing pictures. The fact that subjects like art, PE and music are available for qualifications gives those who are talented/those who enjoy the subjects natural advantages.

Perhaps those subjects shouldn't be removed from schools though. Maybe that was a little OTT. But I do believe those subjects are totally irrelevant from an educational point of view.

Heh, I completely disagree. The purpose of education is indeed to educate, not to make someone 'more intelligent' - it is simply to provide them with skills and knowledge. (I would argue that Art DOES foster intelligence, but that's pure philosophical bias.) Of course, the more geared towards academic subjects you are, the more intellectual you will end up being, but that's hardly the meaning of life, is it? A lot of people would rather be educated in the arts or sports, just as there are plenty who want to study academics, because those are the paths they want to go down - and they are perfectly valid paths. In fact, I would go as a far as to say that doing 'alternative' subjects actually raises the esteem of struggling students, encouraging them to do better academically.

As for qualifications in the arts giving some natural advantages - English gives people who have been brought up reading and speaking English a natural advantage. Maths gives mathematically-minded people a natural advantage.

Jewish Candy wrote: (...) As for qualifications in the arts giving some natural advantage (...)

Arts contribute to the student achieve better visual capacities and intellectuality to understand better the physical world that we see and interact, as well to achieve general culture about the art evolution and the humanity evolution.

Haruka wrote: Arts contribute to the student achieve better visual capacities and intellectuality to understand better the physical world that we see and interact, as well to achieve general culture about the art evolution and the humanity evolution.

Couldn't have put it much better myself.

Candish I agree with you, people who are skilled in those areas aren't less intellectually credible, and their decision to exploit their talent is entirely valid. That's not what I was saying.

I just don't believe it's fair that schools should enforce subjects like PE and art on students because they don't hold educative value. Some students have no ability in those fields and would therefore be handicapped from gaining the same qualification. I'm afraid I don't buy your point about advantages because there's a distinguishable difference between 'naturally clever' and 'naturally skilled'.

Xenon wrote:I just don't believe it's fair that schools should enforce subjects like PE and art on students because they don't hold educative value. Some students have no ability in those fields and would therefore be handicapped from gaining the same qualification. I'm afraid I don't buy your point about advantages because there's a distinguishable difference between 'naturally clever' and 'naturally skilled'.

That's what I think about P.E., and I'm not formulating this opinion just because I hate P.E., I also think in the people who aren't successful in the subject.

If I was good at sports I'm sure I wouldn't refuse to have P.E. classes and have no problems superating the classes, now in my case is that I never was good at sports, and my physical evaluations didn't catch up a 10 (scale of 0 to 20) almost in all the evaluations. I think the only sport I enjoyed and I putted some effort (the teacher also told me that I wasn't terrible at all on it) was Tennis.

In 7 years that I had P.E. classes I never saw an improving in my evaluations. Perhaps only a very slight increase in physical strenght and resistance.

But of course, I think that people who don't like Arts or haven't abilities, they shouldn't be forced to do it.

Xenon wrote:Candish I agree with you, people who are skilled in those areas aren't less intellectually credible, and their decision to exploit their talent is entirely valid. That's not what I was saying.

I just don't believe it's fair that schools should enforce subjects like PE and art on students because they don't hold educative value. Some students have no ability in those fields and would therefore be handicapped from gaining the same qualification. I'm afraid I don't buy your point about advantages because there's a distinguishable difference between 'naturally clever' and 'naturally skilled'.

Oh, enforce. Sorry, I got the wrong end of the stick - I though you meant they had no value whatsoever. I'll agree with that. At the same time, a lot of kids aren't going to get exercise without compulsory PE (a shame on our society indeed), and many wouldn't give Art a second thought if they weren't properly introduced to it... meh, it's a hard one. These subjects shouldn't really be compulsory, but they help the less academic (and less healthy) so much in a world where you have to achieve in order to count. The benefits outweigh the disadvantages in my opinion, though you clearly disagree

I would question whether there is a difference between naturally clever and naturally skilled. In many ways, cleverness is merely the 'skill' of retaining, comprehending and applying knowledge in the correct situations. That said, common-sense is often the best way of going about things, so I see your point.