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There are some references in Rayman 3 that are absent in Raywiki. I have added some of them, but I am sure there are more.

"The game contains intentional references to the comic book series Bone by Jeff Smith, the books of L'Ursula Le Guin and to Hayao Miyazaki's movies (Princess Mononoke, Totoro, etc.)"

I have no idea what those are. Could someone clarify that and give specific examples?

Could someone post a picture of the Star Trek reference, because I don´t know what they are.

Also, I am uncertain whether this reference is a common form of speech, or a direct reference (or both).

"Make him eat his hood!" is a reference to how Uncle Scrooge and Flintheart Glomgold challenges each other to eat their own hats if the lose in Carl Barks comics.


"I will serve you Rayman's head on a platter" by André is a reference to how during the French Revolution they literally and metaphorically served the heads of the enemies, and the expression has since become integrated into language.


P.S I have a suggestion a new section that could be added to RayWiki called "Commentary", which would be a section about the motives used in the games. For example, "Land of the living dead" uses the motives of Stone Henge and cave paintings and that Razoof´s mansion is a reference to the English tradition of hunting including the red color and the use of iambic pentamter. The factory-level is taken straight from the Industiral revolution.

Link: https://raymanpc.com/wiki/en/Rayman_3

While you're on the subject of Rayman 3, there are also a lot of quotes missing from the wiki for multiple characters. I've noticed a numerous occasions that I'd have a quote on my mind, then when I looked it up on the wiki it was absent.

I might know a couple off the top of my head, but I'd rather confirm them first.

The one is even missing where you get the first laser detergent and iirc, Murfy says "RAYMAN NO! It belongs to the hoodlums, it could be dangerous!" Then something like "don't try to make a nervous wreck out of me", though I'm unsure about that last part and I'd rather double check it.

That's just one example of the many missing quotes.

I'm afraid a clean-up is due in the latest additions to the references section.

"Abracadabra" is a reference to Houdini.

According to the Oxford English Dictionary, abracadabra's first occurrence is in the second century works of Serenus Sammonicus, which I'm afraid vastly predate Harry Houdini's antics.

"I will serve you Rayman's head on a platter" by André is a reference to how during the French Revolution they literally and metaphorically served the heads of the enemies, and the expression has since become integrated into language.

The heads of the executed were shown to the crowds throughout history, not just during the French Revolution. This is most likely a reference to Herod Antipas' stepdaughter Salome who had Saint John the Baptist beheaded and his head served to her on a platter, though I wouldn't be surprised if one could find older occurrences of this lovely tradition.

"Buffalo Bill" is a reference to the cowboy with the same name.

Not sure what this is doing in the books section.

"I came, I saw, I kicked some butt." is a parody of Julius Ceasar´s famous quote "I came, I saw, I won".

Same.

The magic mirror seen in the Bog of Murk, is a reference to "Alice Through the Looking Glass".

Possible but still fairly dubious.

"Make him eat his hood!" is a reference to how Uncle Scrooge and Flintheart Glomgold challenges each other to eat their own hats if the lose in Carl Barks comics.

Or maybe just an adaptation of the phrase “eat one's hat”, given that the subject is a Hoodlum?

For the Alice one, "Through the Looking-Glass, and What Alice Found There" is a novel from 1871, so presumably that would have been the first source to come up with such an idea. It's highly likely that the reference is from that fairy tale, but if you think it's dubious I can remove it.

I don't think I've ever seen anything else with the idea of climbing through a mirror that predates that, though I'm sure someone else here will know if I'm wrong.

EDIT: Also, does it make sense to have movie ones as novels instead, if they had a novel that predated the film by decades?

This is a clever one.

The mini-game is called "special invaders", which is a reference to the arcade-game "space invaders".

Also, Ceasar´s quote was published in his book about the gallic wars and Buffallo Bill was first mentioned in a book as a written account.

I think it is just a random mirror though.

"glute is a relative concept", I think it is a Einstein reference.

This is a really sneaky one. Razoff´s hat is a reference to the helmets worn by Otto von Bismark´s army and Razoff shoots arrows like Count Zeroff. Count Zeroff was austrian/russian (I tink). This is confirmed by the developers in a making of-video.

There is a Spider-man reference. "Not even Spidy could do this" by Globox.

"Armaguidon" is a reference to armageddon. No doubt about that.

The frog-turning thing must a reference to old fiary tales.

The giant chauldron must be a referene to told fairy tales.

More references can be found here: https://www.google.com/search?client=fi ... s+rayman+3

Steo wrote: Sat Dec 29, 2018 4:48 pm For the Alice one, "Through the Looking-Glass, and What Alice Found There" is a novel from 1871, so presumably that would have been the first source to come up with such an idea. It's highly likely that the reference is from that fairy tale, but if you think it's dubious I can remove it.

I don't think I've ever seen anything else with the idea of climbing through a mirror that predates that, though I'm sure someone else here will know if I'm wrong.

Oh I've read this book many times, I just thought that there would have been older occurrences of people traveling through mirrors in literature or lore. In any case, it's not so much a reference as some kind of a trope now, so I'm not sure it's particularly worthy of being mentioned, but it's just my two cents!

Rock_TBT wrote: Sat Dec 29, 2018 5:24 pm Also, Ceasar´s quote was published in his book about the gallic wars and Buffallo Bill was first mentioned in a book as a written account.

I couldn't find any such mention in the Gallic Wars, maybe you can point me to the right spot? In any case, because something or someone was mentioned in a book doesn't mean any reference to that thing of person is a reference to the book.

Rock_TBT wrote: Sat Dec 29, 2018 5:24 pm "glute is a relative concept", I think it is a Einstein reference.

Well, as Einstein once said, “please stop mis-quoting me on the internet”.

I've removed it, but even if it is a reference, the quote references are what we're really looking for anyway.

Steo wrote: Sat Dec 29, 2018 6:00 pm I've removed it, but even if it is a reference, the quote references are what we're really looking for anyway.

Strange that there are no Shakespeare quote in the game. The Last Supper is a reference to the Bible, since the painting is a reference to it.

Yeah, you´re right Hunchmann. It is a reference to history.

I don´t know if it is a reference per say, but the factory has a assembly line, which was invented by Henry ford. A reference?

Rock_TBT wrote: Sat Dec 29, 2018 6:02 pm I don´t know if it is a reference per say, but the factory has a assembly line, which was invented by Henry ford. A reference?

Factory lines have become so common an invention that I doubt they're a reference to anything else here. Or so would be every wheel, bridge, arch and rifle in the game, to name only a few of the countless inventions society is based on.

How did the game developers come up with these references? Were they really that educated in culture?

I still have no clue about the Hiyaous Miyazaki references.

It's "defeat is a relative concept" also, not glute. I recall Globox saying it when you hit him.

I think it's more of a joke than a reference, because I'm pretty sure most people would say "success is a relative concept", along with the fact that his friend just hit him.

Uncle Sam reference in trailer. "we want you".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4a6OtSgutg

Rock_TBT wrote: Sat Dec 29, 2018 6:16 am There are some references in Rayman 3 that are absent in Raywiki. I have added some of them, but I am sure there are more.

Rock_TBT, please keep using this topic to discuss references in Rayman 3 rather than edit the article directly. I had to remove quite a lot of dubious or far-fetched stuff and an explanation would be more than welcome for a few others.

Hunchman801 wrote: Mon Jan 11, 2021 7:37 pm Rock_TBT, please keep using this topic to discuss references in Rayman 3 rather than edit the article directly.

Begoniax turns people into frogs. I think that is reference to the witches in Morva from the book and movie The black chauldron by Lloyd Alexander, where those withes also turns people into frogs.

About the referece to Mary Lou. Do you know anyone else with that name or title? It is obvously a reference to someone or something called Mary Lou.

Celoche´s other name, Leviathan, is a reference to the creature with the same name from the Bible.

"Land of livid" and "fairy council" has stone formations that are from Stone Henge.

And then Uncle Sam reference in the commercial above.

There is also in "tower of leptys", a statue of a kanaaren holding a basket. Is that a reference to something?

In the wall of "tower of leptys" there is an image of what appears to be a dragon head. Is that a reference to a painting with saint George and the dragon?

There is also a reference to a moon almost getting blasted in a Rayman 3 commercial. Is that a reference to something?

In this page, the Rayman portrays are references to paintings (https://raymanpc.com/wiki/en/Rayman#Trivia):
-Arcimboldo reference
-Van Gogh´s self-portrait
-Botticelly´s "birth of venus"
-Salvador Dali´s "The Persistence of Memory"
-Piccaso´s "the weeping woman"
-joan miró-reference
-Is this a reference to a Wild West self-portrait of some kind? (https://raymanpc.com/wiki/en/File:R2Rayman026.jpg)
-Lilarama Roy Lichtenstein-reference "comic book reference"
-Vasareli reference

Rock_TBT wrote: Fri Jan 15, 2021 3:29 pm Begoniax turns people into frogs. I think that is reference to the witches in Morva from the book and movie The black chauldron by Lloyd Alexander, where those withes also turns people into frogs.

A witch turning people into frogs is something that can be seen in various stories, like Lúdas Matyi or even Scooby-Doo (see Bewitched Amphibians in TV Tropes). I don't think Begoniax is a necessarily a reference to the witches from The Black Cauldron specifically (unless more similarities between them can be found).

Elite Piranha wrote: Sat Jan 16, 2021 4:30 pm A witch turning people into frogs is something that can be seen in various stories, like Lúdas Matyi or even Scooby-Doo (see Bewitched Amphibians in TV Tropes). I don't think Begoniax is a necessarily a reference to the witches from The Black Cauldron specifically (unless more similarities between them can be found).

Indeed!

Rock_TBT wrote: Fri Jan 15, 2021 3:29 pm About the referece to Mary Lou. Do you know anyone else with that name or title? It is obvously a reference to someone or something called Mary Lou.

It's actually a pretty common given name.

Rock_TBT wrote: Fri Jan 15, 2021 3:29 pm Celoche´s other name, Leviathan, is a reference to the creature with the same name from the Bible.

It's just that Céloche is called that in the official strategy guide, and the Leviathan is such a common theme that it's become a common noun, referring to something large and aquatic, or just large sometimes. Yes, the word ultimately refers to the Biblical creature, but that's totally irrelevant here.

Rock_TBT wrote: Fri Jan 15, 2021 3:29 pm "Land of livid" and "fairy council" has stone formations that are from Stone Henge.

Surely you realize that megaliths are found almost all over the world? Are the stones you have in mind arranged exactly like in Stonehenge, and unlike any other standing stones on the planet? If not, then that's obviously not a reference.

Rock_TBT wrote: Fri Jan 15, 2021 3:29 pm And then Uncle Sam reference in the commercial above.

Not sure what you're referring to here?

Rock_TBT wrote: Fri Jan 15, 2021 3:29 pm In the wall of "tower of leptys" there is an image of what appears to be a dragon head. Is that a reference to a painting with saint George and the dragon?

Can you post an image here?

Rock_TBT wrote: Fri Jan 15, 2021 3:29 pm In this page, the Rayman portrays are references to paintings (https://raymanpc.com/wiki/en/Rayman#Trivia):
-Arcimboldo reference
-Van Gogh´s self-portrait
-Botticelly´s "birth of venus"
-Salvador Dali´s "The Persistence of Memory"
-Piccaso´s "the weeping woman"
-joan miró-reference
-Is this a reference to a Wild West self-portrait of some kind? (https://raymanpc.com/wiki/en/File:R2Rayman026.jpg)
-Lilarama Roy Lichtenstein-reference "comic book reference"
-Vasareli reference

I think this is well known already: the file names already contain the name of the artists in question. Probably worth adding those as image captions, though.

Hunchman801 wrote: Sun Jan 17, 2021 7:39 pm Indeed!

This is a parody of Uncle Same´s poster with the title "I want you".



Here is the image of the dragon head:

Thanks, the Hoodlum one is indeed a reference to Uncle Sam, but the dragon head is just, well a dragon head. Maybe not even a dragon and just some random monster.

Hunchman801 wrote: Mon Jan 18, 2021 2:02 pm Thanks, the Hoodlum one is indeed a reference to Uncle Sam, but the dragon head is just, well a dragon head. Maybe not even a dragon and just some random monster.

In "Rayman Revolution"´s boss battle with Biditank, there is a reference to Ackbar from Star Wars, where Rayman states "It´s a trap!"

Rock_TBT wrote: Wed Jan 20, 2021 1:29 am In "Rayman Revolution"´s boss battle with Biditank, there is a reference to Ackbar from Star Wars, where Rayman states "It´s a trap!"

I don't think that every instance of a character saying "It's a trap" is a reference to Admiral Ackbar, however in this case there is a futuristic theme that is involved, since the Biditank is encountered in a facility created by robots from outer space. I wonder if that is enough to connect that line to Star Wars specifically.